pandorum
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Bit over the top
Not at all.
Compared to what Rising did it's nothing.
He just revealed something really serious to a bunch of people he did not know from Adam.
It's the stupidest thing anyone has ever written here.
We now know that someone is planning to assault Nicki Pedersen and that is more information than I ever wanted here.
Incredible piece of stupidity that beggars belief.
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Although I agree with your point about Cardiff, I'm sorry but the rest of that is just offensive. I may not agree with people's point of view occasionally, but to get a contribution from someone who has more inside information than you and I will ever have, is something that needs to be respected - along with everybody else's views on here.
Not at all. I don't care a jot for the bloke in question and what I respect and disrespect is for me to decide.
Yes he has all this inside information but this particular instance shows what a fool he really is.
In his quest to impress us he reveals private conversations from riders that he has heard riders discuss fencing Nicki Pedersen.
Now that is not just a bit of a laugh but a serious crime depending how Nicki would come out of the fencing.
Seriously injured then it would be assault. Dead it would then move into the realm of manslaughter or even murder.
Riders conspiring to commit such an act would also be drawn into it.
Of course accidents happen all the time but due to this big mouthed pillock we now know there is a conspiracy to do harm to Nicki Pedersen by his fellow GP riders.
That is something that should NEVER in ANY circumstances have been placed on a forum like this.
This fool is now privy to that conspiracy and has told God knows how many people that this conspiracy exists.
I have met some idiots in my time but this bloke would be elected King by them if they ever got together.
The last thing I wanted to know on this forum was that riders may be planning to fence Nicki Pedersen as it is none of my business and anyone overhearing such a thing should do all he can to ensure it is reported to the Speedway authorities before it goes any further along with the names of those involved.
What will I think next time Nicki ends up in the fence and is carted away in an ambulance.
He should have kept his big mouth shut and riders now need to beware before imparting any private information to this bloke.
I think it is the most disgraceful post I have ever seen on this forum.
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There is a lot of irrelevant stuff being posted here....and it all stems down to it being a pantomime.....Greg Hancock = the good guy..yay........Nicki Pedersen = the villain....boo, hiss
That's is how people are judging this....they are judging the riders and not the incident.......and as for the comment that Greg Hancock is universally liked and Nick Pedersen is universally hated and so Pedersen adds no fans to attendances , well that's just twaddle..........I've no doubt Hancock is a nicer guy than Pedersen....I've no doubt that most riders get on with Hancock more than Pedersen....I've no doubt most supporters like Hancock better.......but I've also no doubt who most supporters would actually want to pay to watch ....and that's not Greg Hancock...love him or loathe him Pedersen is more box office than Hancock
I love watching Nicki on the TV leagues in Poland, Sweden and Denmark he is a great rider and exciting to watch.
I like watching Greg too but he is not as much a draw as Nicki.
I am sure someone likes Nicki and that Greg is not universally liked by all speedway fans.
he is a nice bloke and comes across well on TV whilst Nicki blames everybody and never accepts he did wrong but I would argue Nicki puts more bums on seats than Greg but have no basis to prove that of course anymore than those who argue the opposite
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I think this is an argument that will just go round in circles .....it's obvious many people seem to dislike Nicki Pedersen so if Greg Hancock had produced a shotgun and shot him at point blank rage you'd still get people on here defending him !...so people aren't going to change their minds..
I've no agenda with either rider so all my comments are from watching the incident and seeing the responses....I think the incident has many comments that are judging their opinions of the riders involved rather than the incident itself
That was funny
They would NEVER have gotten that on QOS I like Greg a lot and can't abide Nicki but the bigger crime was Greg's and he should have been punished properly for it.
Hopefully things will have calmed down for Cardiff as we don't want to see the retribution scenario that idiot Rising was babbling on about.
If Nicki gets injured at Cardiff because of someone taking revenge or simply an innocent racing incident as you said his foolish boast will come back to haunt him.
One thing is certain a lot of people will be waiting with interest for the next time they race together.
It's a bit like when Jack Millen came to town. A bit of niggle is good for the sport as long as nobody takes it too far.
Hancock made a dick of himself and if he watches the replay will realise that it was not that bad in the scheme of things and a bit of an over reaction from him.
Or maybe he won't.
Cardiff will be very interesting with the potential for 3 clashes of Hancock/Pedersen.
Should be a lively couple of hours.
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Totally agree! Look forward to Philip's get-out explanation
Perhaps he failed to hydrate
We have all been there
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I beg to differ. Ran at him head on. Nikki didnt react. He had plenty of time to but didnt.
Of course he didn't because he did not expect the mad sod to do a flying tackle on him.
:)I think this was a great thread as Grand Central said it's the most interesting thing Greg has done in years.
I think the guy is great but I still think he should get a ban as that is not on at all. Even though I admit to a chuckle when I first saw it
Nicki is a nugget but he is not as bad as portrayed here and that fool Rising trying to insinuate he was privy to riders threatening to fence Nicki shows that such threads attract all kinds of crackpots.
I can't stand the sod but I don't wish him any ill.
I also admit I would laugh if someone jawed him at Cardiff (as long as he was not on his bike) but that is as far as my hypocrisy goes on that score and they would have to catch him first.
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Absolutely not. Someone said it was cowardly which implies he was sneaky or underhanded in what he did.
He was stupid and irrational, but cowardly, nope not in my eyes.
That's not what cowardly means although there was indeed an element of that in what Greg did.
He did not have the courage to let Pedersen get off his bike and then punch the little git.
The Pedersen sort of cowardice is that he does tricks like that and then runs away and hides behind his crew like a little girl.
A man would have said get off the bike take off the helmet and get ready to go to hospital.
A coward would have done what Greg did.
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Hancock went mental and committed one of the most cowardly acts I have seen on a speedway track and you do not even criticise as he seems to have every right to do that.
How was it cowardly? Cowardly would be a sneak attack. Greg ran straight up to him, Nicky knew what was coming a long way off!
Well it was pretty cowardly as Pedersen was riding a bike at the time and probably expected some verbals not a flying tackle.
Nicki is a gutless individual so waiting till he dismounted then planting one in his face would be a lot less cowardly than jumping him whilst he was still on his bike.
And to be honest then your logic can be turned around that Greg knew what was coming when Nicki got inside of him but that does not excuse Pedersen for his dirty riding.
If you can't see past the personalities and the fact the American committed the worst offence then fine
Oh come on now. He saw the guy he just knocked off running directly at him, you really think he was expecting a kiss and a cuddle? Do be serious. He had 20/30 seconds knowing it was about to get lively! Not justifying it but it was not as previously said 'cowardly'
I can't abide Pedersen and like Greg a lot but what Greg did was cowardly as it was indeed a sneak attack as Nicki probably expected some shouting and fist waving then he would have sped off and hid behind his pit crew for a bit of smirking.
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SO you would rather see riders try to fence Pedersen? And believe me it has been talked about. That was my point.
What a load of cobblers you talk for one who has an esteemed position on the forum.
Nicki did not fence Greg.
That was the Swede last Thursday who you seem to be OK with.
Nicki pulled a hard move on Greg which in the scheme of things was pretty mild compared to some he and others have pulled.
Hancock went mental and committed one of the most cowardly acts I have seen on a speedway track and you do not even criticise as he seems to have every right to do that.
I would rather not see riders fence anybody and would rather not see retribution taken out in the pits either.
The sport is dangerous enough.
So would it have been fine if Belousov kneecapped Sundstrom in the pits after he was fenced or perhaps some of Hampels team jump him in the car park and beat the tar out of him? Of course not and your retribution babblings reflect very poorly on you.
Pedersen is a coward and if anyone faces him down he runs for his pit team.
Beating up or running such a coward into the fence would achieve nothing.
There will still be dirty riders.
The authorities need to sort out a stance to this kind of riding and implement it to ALL regardless of reputation.
As The Return said years back now the WHAT is important not the WHO.
But Hancock committed the far greater offence and should have received a ban. That one is so clear cut.
I wonder what stance the Star will take on this and who will be portrayed as the villain of the piece. Actually I don't because we already know
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IMO Hancock was out of order and has rightly been fined for his behaviour (great to watch though
). As far as Nicki goes, Nicki p does what nicki P does and sod everyone else. Im sure hes in a number of riders 'little black books' and sooner or later he'll reap the 'rewards' of his on track exploits. As has been posted before there have been far harder and dirtier riders in the past, its not a new thing. My only issue with Pedersen is that in all the times ive seen him off another rider ive never once seen him go back round to see if his victim is ok.Perhaps he was coming round to see how Greg was and offer an apology and a lift back to the pits?
We will never know now as Greg decided to flatten him whilst still in motion
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BETTER to take retribution off the track than on it. Plenty of riders 30/40 years ago would have dealt with a similar situation very differently. A speedway bike can be a lethal weapon when seeking revenge.
Like it or not, Hancock's views are echoed around the SGP pits and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened again. Matej Zagar had a confrontation with NP in Manilla a few years back.
Of course, Pedersen is box office, the pantomime villain if you like, but safety is paramount and there are undoubtably times when Nicki oversteps the mark and risks injuring his fellow competitors.
Hancock's views may well be prevalent in your circle but Nicki is hardly the only culprit.
You seem to be coming out against Nicki but his action on Tuesday was hardly the worst of it's kind and why don't you criticise Sundstrom for deliberately fencing Belousov?
Your support of off track retribution is disturbing.
It may well happen from time to time but it's rather unsavoury and someone of your supposed 'stature' should not be promoting it
Nicki did not invent hard/dirty riding and it's a different era now with a lot more professionalism in the sport.
30/40 years ago Nicki would not dare do what he does today as someone would have wrapped his bike around his head.
Of course like some football players he has a reputation and sometimes it works against him.
I have seen him excluded when replays showed he was an innocent party.
We know now he is not the hard man we thought he was and is a bit of a coward but he does not do stuff like that EVERY meeting and there are others who do the same thing from time to time.
Even Hancock has ridden hard against people in his time.
As The Return said it should not be the WHO but the WHAT that is considered and then judged.
Your mate Hancock committed the far greater crime on Tuesday and should be banned for it.
Regardless of provocation that is a No-No on a speedway track. An even more cowardly act than Pedersen's as Nicki had no chance to defend himself.
Hancock is a role model.
I happen to like Greg and don't like Nicki.
But Greg was the villain in Tuesdays pantomime and it is him that should be coming in for criticism to a far greater degree than Nicki.
Hence the thread title!
It's for the authorities to address this kind of hard riding and come up with a solution that is applied to ALL not just Nicki Pedersen.
That is what you and your ilk should be peddling not sticking up for Greg and having a go at Nicki.
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As original poster I want to register my anger at the thread title and my first post being altered against my wishes by a moderator.
It changes completely the nature of how I wanted this thread to be discussed.
Disgusting action on the mods part.
Your thread title was just right and this alteration makes it a completely different thread.
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Statement from Nicki Pedersen: My dad's bigger than your dad.
Statement from Greg Hancock: Well my big brother is bigger than your big brother.
Statement from Darcy Ward: Where's the off-licence?
All the best
Rob
I get the niggling feeling that YOU are not taking this at all seriously?
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It's all well and good calling for bans on riders etc.. but where do you draw the line?
Not everyone agrees that move from Nicki was all that bad. Hard yes, but there was a gap there, Hancock had made a mistake and drifted wide. There was a slight bit of contact, nothing more.
Yet folk are up in arms and want a ban.
Ban someone for that, you won't have many riders left come season end.
Knock on effects are racers will be worried about trying to overtake, racing will become ever more dull and boring and you'll all be moaning about how great the sport was back in the day when we had 'characters' and riders that were hard and overtaking took place.
Another knock on effect is, you already get riders taking dives in an attempt to get reruns and riders excluded.. it would be even worse with them trying to get someone banned.
A ban for Hancock for what he did. That is clear cut. They can't allow that.
The Pedersen incident is a different thing altogether and as someone said before opens a can of worms.
Can they ban Pedersen and if so he can put forward a defence that he is not the only culprit.
They can hardly turn a blind eye to the likes of Sundstrom who committed a greater offence last Thursday fencing the Russian and ending Jarek Hampels year.
Picking on Nicki even if he is a cowardly rider is not an option.
Same rules must apply to everyone.
As The Return said it's not the WHO but the WHAT.
Best of luck officials with that one
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You've been watching those ISIS videos again ?
No it's Kim Jong Un who does that to anyone who falls asleep when he rabbits on
Not exactly the professional approach we have come to expect from Greg, which to be fair he has always conducted himself professionally. That statement really is unprofessional (at best), some of the comments about Nicki and questioning his mentality are beneath Greg.
That bit was overkill.
We all know Nicki is 2 slices of bread short of a sandwich.
It was the right thing to apologise but the rest was tittle tattle and trying to excuse his actions which was not so good.
Absolutely spot on.
Refs should exc riders,warn them and if necessary report the incident to the appropriate authority who after a defined number of incidents must issue a ban.
That is the only way to rid the sport of dangerous riders.
Throw a rider out of a meeting.
It's been done before.
Then add a weeks ban from racing which will hit them in the pocket and give them time to consider what they have done.
The speedway equivalent of sitting in the naughty corner as some of them act like kids.
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Agreed. Also, did he really see the look in Nicki's eyes when he launched his attack on him?
What did he think Nicki was going to do?
Pull a gun out of his kevlars
Not really, he failed to apologise to Nicki for attacking him.
Fair point
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The Hancock statement is up: http://www.greghancock.com/2015/06/17/team-hancock-racing-statement/
OK got to give Greg some credit for having the guts to apologise for his completely out of character and also out of order reaction to one of Pedersen's trade mark moves. Unlike some other speedway rider whose name escapes me at the moment
:)He accepted what he did was wrong and said sorry.
That's fine with me but I still think Greg deserves a ban as his excuses for his actions cannot stand up as a defence.
Not a lengthy one but a ban nonetheless.
Nicki being a coward is old news now after the Zagar incident when he wet his pants.
He is no hard man just a rider who acts hard on the track but scuttles back into his pit area where he can laugh and sneer from the safety of his pit crew.
Its something speedway refs should deal with as a body especially when they have the technology to see in slow motion.
Thursdays fencing of Belousov was a no brainer but the ref still got it wrong which shows how inconsistent they are even with all this new technology there is a long way to go. Nicki should be punished but is there a facility to do such a thing?
Greg's is clear cut. You cannot allow that and people saying it was handbags.......sorry folks but that was a bloody dangerous and stupid thing to do.
Jaw Pedersen when he dismounts that would be fine and a fitting punishment for such a cowardly rider.
Greg should have received a racing ban and not a slap on the wrist.
His crime was way worse than the snivelling little Danish coward
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I like both Greg and Nicki, they're the perfect balance in speedway, like the good and the devil resting each side.
I do laugh though that people think Nicki fences people on purpose, we've all seen how bad things can go wrong in the sport and setting out to fence someone deliberately would endanger Nicki too, you may think he has no regard for his competitors (I think that' s untrue) but surely he's got regard for his own safety, especially being a family man now. He's a hard rider that will always go for a gap,sometimes that gap disappears and he rightly gets excluded for trying the move, but if he didn't go for them he wouldn't have 3 individual world titles in his cabinet.
People blowing this way out of proportion because it was Greg who he riled which is completely out of character, people calling for Greg to be banned are hilarious, it was a flying tackle not a mugging in an alleyway. Looking at both riders involved it looked more like a midget scrap anyway
The twitter stuff is mind games which Nicki is very good at, then you get the likes of Ward and his brain cell chipping in and it becomes the stuff Nicki thrives on. Just the motivation he needs for his title challenge this year and most are playing along with it.
You make a good point.
This is a good thread.
Well done to the OP for setting it in motion. He/She has certainly given us a lot of food for thought.
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Will never stop speaking my mind, no matter who it upsets.
Sometimes you have to say it like it is. If we were all honest with ourselves and had to pick between Nicki injuring or killing somebody else with his dangerous riding, or injuring or killing himself, we'd pick him.
It's when you don't say anything and let these things go on, even when you know that somebody could come out of this disabled or far worse, that you allow these things to happen.
The fact that a rider as kind, fair and good mannered as Greg Hancock, the perfect image of a professional sportsman has reacted like this, just shows you that riders are reaching their boiling point. They are not getting angry that they have lost the race, they are getting angry because their lives are being put at risk by this selfish buffoon.
Speak your mind by all means but it sometimes is best to use it BEFORE you open your mouth.
Not getting at you just an observation and a friendly bit of advice
Also loved your work on Sunday night
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Yes, I do have to bring the name of a much missed rider into it, and so we all should! The death of a well respected and loved rider should be used to make the sport a safer place. I wonder what the family and friends of Lee would say if they saw this incident? When you see a good man lose his life so prematurely, you cannot tolerate riders like Nicki Pedersen who will be responsible for yet another man losing his life.
Yes, I had assumed some level of intelligence and context by the reader... so I will make it clearer. If I had to pick between a rider breaking his neck at the hands of Nicki Pedersen, or Nicki Pedersen breaking his own neck, I'd take Nicki every time.
When in a hole best to stop digging.
I get what you mean but you choose rather an unfortunate way of saying it
Seen too many riders get injured to wish any form of injury on another no matter how despicable they are.
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There is a lot of nonsense being talked here about who knocked who off and who rides hard against who and who doesn't.
I saw real hard men (not preening pansies like Nicki Pedersen) such as 'Mad' (the clue is in the name) Jack Millen, Arthur Browning and Vaclav Verner ride speedway and they rode hard and courted lots of controversy BUT that was a wild period when riders were part time and drank after meetings with fans and even got into fights with them.
We have left all that behind in favour of a more professional sport with full time riders racing all over Europe AND what Greg did cannot be tolerated. If the next person who does that kills a rider or puts him in a wheelchair then the blame rest solely with whoever decided to give Greg a paltry fine.
As someone said Richard Hall was banned for kicking a prone Josh Auty and rightly so. Greg's crime was worse than that.
As The Return said in the most sensible post on this thread.
The WHO does not matter a damn just the WHAT!
But I firmly believe that this was not applied when Greg got a tiny fine. Greg has a good reputation and is a really nice man and before this a credit to the sport.
This I believe stood in his favour and it should not have.
What if a rider was behind Nicki when Greg went insane and injured one of them or was injured themselves?
Of course it did not happen but Greg never looked to see anyway and just went full on mental.
A BAN is the only punishment that should have been considered and only then should previous good conduct be applied to the length of the ban.
A couple of weeks would send a message a couple of months even more to both the culprit and anyone else who wants to jump on Nicki Pedersen's bike while he is sitting on it.
Greg committed a really serious offence instead of the time honoured tradition of waiting till the rider dismounts and then giving a good thumping.
Nicki Pedersen is a cowardly d#ckhead but Greg Hancock in this case was a lot worse
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His name is Sundström and I agree that his move was far worse but many Swedish fans now yelling theirs ears off complaining
about Nicki, thought that Sundström was innocent and that the russian was the guilty one.
Cheers for that correction
I was thinking Linback and Sundstrom at the same time Just got back from Download Festival on Monday night so am still rather tired and my brain full of heavy rock.
That's why I could not be bothered watching the British Final and the Swedish meet
We all try to stick up for our favourites but Sundstrom and Hancock were completely out of order.
Nicki just did one of his usual tricks and it was nothing like
LIndSundstrom.Nicki and Sundstrom should be punished but Hancock should have been banned for a couple of weeks
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Exactly, people need to take away the 'who' and focus on the 'what', and there is no defence for Hancock on the 'what'. The way people on Twitter are calling him a hero etc is embarrassing.
I think Greg is a great bloke and a great rider which exacerbates his crime all the more.
A £400 fine is a ridiculous statement by the authorities and shows that exactly what The Return says is true.
Hancock is the peoples rider whilst Nicki is not.
If Nicki had done that to Greg then this board would have exploded in its indignation and would be demanding he be executed by flame thrower
A two week ban would make an example of someone who has huge respect in the speedway world and send the message that you can't do that on a speedway track.
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The problem is that if Greg is punished with a ban then it opens a can of worms. Basically that you can send fellow riders, I'd go as far as team mates that close to the fence you have to bail off. I'd rather Greg do what he did after a race than riders sorting it out on track.
Pedersen has been lucky with injuries, holder, Greg and hamper are proof that nasty injuries are seconds away without nutters trying to put you in a fence.
How exactly does banning someone for running like a lunatic and launching himself like Superman at a rider sitting on a bike and barging off said bike onto the track open a can of worms?
The Pedersen crime is another matter but Greg is clear cut.
You cannot allow that to happen on a track with riders still under power.
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The Dilemma Of Greg Hancock
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EXCUSE me but that's exactly what you said. You have overheard riders talking about committing a serious assault on another rider.
You do know that what you told us about is a criminal offence?
What Pedersen does is hard/dirty riding and it's for the authorities to sort that out.
But to tell us riders are considering fencing Nicki is a disgrace. In your silly attempts to show off to the forum you have overstepped a mark.
First you should not be sharing information like this with people you don't know.
Secondly you betray the confidences that riders expect of you by relaying their tittle tattle in the pits about Nicki Pedersen to a silly message board.
Thirdly you are a party to knowledge of a possible criminal offence.
If anything bad happens to Pedersen what are we to think? Because you have shared this with us.
Perhaps it is just bluster from riders who are fed up of Nicki's dirty riding but perhaps it isn't.
What you should have done is maybe mentioned that these rumblings were going on in the pits to somebody in authority who could maybe settle things down by getting them all together and trying to stop it going any further and perhaps also calming Nicki down a bit.
You have more idea about that stuff than I have.
Also what you should have done is not opened your mouth about this.
We don't need to know this stuff.
I find it very disturbing that someone of your 'stature' would do something as stupid as mention that Pedersen is in danger of being deliberately fenced.
You are a fool and next time you have any juicy tidbits from the pits it might pay you to respect the confidence of the riders by zipping it