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You might not agree with my opinions.But I bet you I am right that a 46.34 team average has no chance.P/boroughs case shows to me that not all teams can afford to sign the better missing riders.Also could Ipswich have afforded NKI for a full season who knows and if he was up for a full season why did he not sign for Kings lynn at the start of the season

And you are just saying lets put the team average up to 46.34 just like that.Have you tried to put another six competitive teams together to see with the riders available its possible.If you can do that and prove to me its possible with realistic riders then you might change my mind.But just keep in mind last year Peterborough could not find one willing heat leader to replace Cook they ended up with Summers and left the team 3 points under the limit from the start of the season leaving themselves with no chance. If there are all these riders ready to ride for the money on offer to strengthen up the British league you would have thought that P/borough could have found at least one.

Re points limit back in the day when almost all the riders rode here I would be all for it as every club would be able to reach the new points limit.But today with the limited riders wanting to ride here no chance there would be some very weak teams which would leave us with boring uneven meetings and a boring uneven league.Theres already talk of riders giving our league a miss next year ie Fricke, Covatti etc so how the hell do all the teams build to a 46 + average.Only my opinion but I honestly can't see how it can be done.

To me the new TV deal puts some money into the sport which should help struggling clubs to keep their club running.The sport cannot survive if clubs keep closing so if the TV money keeps their doors open I don't have a problem with watching a lower quality coverage after all its the racing I watch it for and not all the glits that goes with it and perhaps a few less cameras will stop all the switching about where you tend to miss important parts of the race. Any TV coverage is extra to me the important thing is to be able to watch live speedway. TV speedway is not a patch on watching the real thing.When I watch a recording of a meeting I have just been to I am always a little disappointed as it just does not seem to capture what I have just witnessed live.

You mean like better run sports like footballs Premier league where any team can sign whoever they like and as it stands Liverpool have 28 points and Watford have 5. Any league system usually has a big difference in points scored between the top and bottom teams. At least in speedway all teams on paper start the season even and its down to the manager to be savvy enough to sign a team of improvers and riders that can score points home and away to gain points on the road and that's what will bring you success whatever the points limit is. Where in football the sign whoever you like system usually means money buys you success. In my opinion speedways system if far fairer for all the clubs in the league than football will ever be.

You can open your shop on the best days for trade and sell the finest stock but if your till staff and the staff that fill the shelves chose to go and work at their much better paid second/third job on these days your shop will not be open long will it.Yes you can sack the lot of them and get fresh staff in but its not that easy for a speedway club a lot of the riders and not just the top riders have already chosen to just ride for their second /third club and left the lower paid British league behind.If clubs insist on riding on days that clash the ones that are left(with the option) will chose to ride where they get paid the most money(and the league could lose them as well) just like your staff would if they had the option. It must be very hard for an employer when there are limited staff and your the worst payer in town.Who would be a British speedway promoter hay.

13 hours since the last post this thread is drying up a little time to start a new thread under another name for the same old sad ex speedway fans to go over and over the same old reasons why British speedway is crap these days.If you got fed up with speedway.then after all this time you must be getting sick of posting the same old crap over and over. Every new thread is like reading the last one for your own sake's please find something you enjoy doing and move on and leave a speedway forum to those who still have an interest in the sport.

The way to strengthen teams in our league is savvy management by spotting and signing up and coming riders on low averages who then go on to improve their averages.These riders then go on to be the leagues stars replacing riders like Nicholls,Harris and Andersen who's age is catching them up a little, Swindon have shown us how to do this twice by signing Musielak and Jenssen who have been a major factor in two of Swindons league titles. There will always be up and coming stars the secret is spotting them early and getting them signed up before anyone else this is where a good manager is worth his weight in gold.To me watching an up and coming rider shine gives me more of a buzz than the club signing an over priced super star who can often leave you disappointed.

Where do all these riders come from for teams to strengthen up to match Swindons average.The only eg I have is that at the start of this season Peterborough lost Cook and he was replaced by Arron Summers which left them 3 points under the limit which caused a lot of fans to be major pd off and condemned them to the wooden spoon before the season started. Now Cook must be amongst the higher paid riders in our Prem league so if Peterborough could not find from all the riders in Europe 1 replacement for Cook with the higher prem league money that was on offer what chance has every other team finding riders to strengthen up to match Swindons average.A few of the better off clubs might be able to match it by signing the better riders that ride here now but that would leave a good few teams with the riders that are left and would be well under the limit which would lead to a very unbalanced league only my opinion but if anyone can tell me how we can get all these riders to come over without breaking the bank I am all ears.

There are 27 ish riders doubling up at this time so that's 27 riders one big/split league will be short. most of these riders I would think will have to come from the National league as most of the lower order European riders were not interested this year with the money on offer let alone even less money in a even more cut price league. Do you realise how weak and imbalanced these teams would be.Most of the Championship teams had 2 National league standard riders in their team this year so to replace the said 27 a good few teams could end up with 3.The likes of Doyle/Fricke etc riding against National league and lower order Championship riders would be a joke I just cannot see it ever happening but if it does its not something that after 47 years being a speedway fan I would want to spend my money on.

People seem to think that the top riders would massively improve our league and that most of the riders that still ride here are not that good. I have just looked at a Nielsen's results since his return and the riders that have beaten him. Kurtz 6 times. Holder 5 times. Klindt 4 times. Jonnasson and Covatti 2 times. Doyle Batchelor Grajconek Team mates King 3 times Heeps 2 times Harris I would love to see a lot of them return but in reality would there return improve the quality of racing that much most of the riders still riding here ride BRITISH tracks very well and a lot of them would still beat the top riders on a regular basis over here (different story in Poland etc).We all seem to link great racing to riders names but over the season I have seen some awesome racing this year at the NSS so is this really the case would there return improve the racing that much? maybe a little but not as much as it would in peoples minds. '

So if Ipswich win this year every team bar P/borough have to aspire to drop there team limit to 41.43 for next season ?.

There's talk that Bjerre will not be at Belle vue next year so does Buster still think that Bjerre is not a Premier league heat leader.will he pay him heat leader wages ?.

That will be the team in November/December when season tickets go on sale but will be a very different team come the start of the season.

In this case give me Monday and the second leg at home and a match that you know what you have to do to win..I hate first legs at home in a normal league match you can enjoy and go home happy with just a close score win but in a two legged match a close win is just not enougth you don't go home happy unless you have battered a team and go home with a good lead to take to the second leg.Belle vue finished above Kent so I would think would have had the choice of the second leg at home I think a meeting where you can see a result is a bigger draw for fans than the first leg or is that just me.

Did they let Buster prepare the track.That was one of the poorest meeting I have seen at the NSS and i have seen all of them.

Buster should have told Harris he's no longer a heat leader in this league and not Bjerre.

That's the most entertaining action on the Eastbourne track I have seen in years lol.

Now go away you English bed wetting type or you will be taunted some more.

Fair enough re point 2 but what about the main point if a match does not run to its conclusion for no official reason the result is not a true result and can affect other clubs etc.

Sorry speaking as a speedway fan and not a Belle vue fan. Fair enough to call time on a meeting if there is an official curfew and the club has no choice but if there is not then to me no club/ref should have the power to make their own rules up on the night and just call any match not just this one at a certain time because for whatever reason it suits them. Two reasons why it is wrong, if speedway is supposed to be a professional sport then the only way to get a true result is to run the meeting to its conclusion it not only affects the 2 teams racing but other teams as well as with it being a league match the result could affect another teams place in the league table and possibly be the cause of another team not reaching the play offs. The other reason is the fans, everyone has paid to watch 15 heats of speedway so if a meeting is called for no official reason then to me the fans have been robbed of 3 heats of speedway everyone then has a choice to stay and watch or leave its then their choice as it should be. Only my opinion but its things like this that to me make our sport look very unprofessional.

Just my opinion but I watch Swedish speedway every week on TV with most of the biggest stars in speedway and the racing is not a patch on what I see at the NSS every meeting with so called lesser riders.So what's the answer folks big names do not guarantee better racing in most cases its down to the track and if the racing at the NSS in a fine new stadium does not pull in the crowed what will. I fear that speedway has had its day in this country and cannot compete with all the other leisure activities that are out there these days.Todays generation just do not seem have an interest in it so for my own sanity I have decided to stop fretting and just attend and enjoy every meeting at the NSS while it lasts its all I can do..

Going off that race the track changes have made a massive improvement just what the doctor ordered for our ailing sport.Looks like you Swindon fans have a future of watching some great speedway racing well done the Swindon management team.

You might well smile spiderman but if my teams top 5 only scored 19 points between them at Kings lynn I would be a lot more worried about my teams away form.

Its a fine line in speedway a fully fit Bewley and Lidsey(also give him time to get used to U K tracks) should at least have scored 4 between them and that would have got us a point if we do that at every away meeting I will be very happy and we will be in the play offs.