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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:IN Poland fans are supporting not just their club but their town/city. It is a whole different demographic to the UK. It's a young audience.
Agree, was at Zielona Gora a few weeks back, the crowd has a demographic and feel a lot similar to a football crowd in Britain. Those around me in Block K5 support their town / city and the winning is far more important than the quality of the speedway
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On 9/15/2018 at 7:23 PM, PHILIPRISING said:NOT sure you know me at all... would actually agree that Poland and GB are the most viable with the decline of world class riders in Denmark and Sweden. No doubt BSI would like to see the FIM spend more of the money that goes into its coffers on grassroots speedway and to help develop the discipline in new countries but that doesn't appear to be high on the agenda in Geneva. I do think that BSI have problems finding SGP venues just as they are in need of new top class riders emerging in Denmark, Sweden, the USA and elsewhere other than Poland.
One of the issues with the SGP going to Russia a few years back was that BSI is owned by IMG, an American company, and the US and other countries had imposed sanctions on Russia which muddied the waters and their office in Moscow was not exactly enthusiastic. It is a bit clearer now.
This year I made a post on this topic that there were only 2 major markets left for the SGP, GB and Poland. You disagreed that GB was still a major market. That's why I made the comment. As for riders emerging from USA, America will never have a better rider in the series than they have now. You know it has nothing to do with riders, it all comes down to money and finding someone to finance it. GP's have readily gone to countries with no world class riders, New Zealand, Finland etc as long as the finance is forthcoming, nothing to do with emerging talent.
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2 hours ago, iris123 said:Speedway can barely keep foot in Horsens in one of the main speedway countries.How the hell people think a big stadium in Amsterdam or Paris,well away from the speedway area of France is do-able is beyond me!!!
Agree, as the Speedway Star says this week regarding Bratislava , great idea but needs somebody wealthy to pay for it, can't see too many takers in the speedway backwaters of France and the Netherlands. Realistically, I know Phil Rising disagrees but there are only 2 major markets left for the SGP than can accommodate and retain a stadium GP, that being Poland and GB. Russia is interesting, there could have been a GP at Togliatti 7 years ago but for whatever reason it hasn't happened. BSI like to be in control of everything at the GP, not sure in Russia that would get that, seems there has always been a lack of trust in all things Russian
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On 9/7/2018 at 5:43 PM, racers and royals said:In 2019 every team has to have a U21 reserve rider- that was in this years rules(for next year)
Why don't they make it easier and just have countries nominate any 3 riders they desire. It would make it more of a team event . The SON is a bit like the Davis Cup in tennis, one outstanding individual, Andy Murray, Tai Woffinden can win you, get you a medal without much backing. At least with your 3 best nominated riders strength in depth may be more of an advantage if one rider is under performing / injured. Just a thought !
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5 hours ago, Aces51 said:To grow the sport needs to attract new fans and they haven't got a clue who the top stars are. It made no noticeable difference to the crowds at Belle Vue when Zagar was in the team and when he wasn't.
What we need is competitive racing, sensible rules applied consistently, professional presentation with no unavoidable delays and more latitude shown to allow riders to react, within reason, to on track situations and referees decisions. Not violence but gesticulating, handbags and a bit of theatre.
A bit like WWE wrestling but with bikes
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Back from a weekend in Slovenia , Firstly Ljubulana and Slovenia as a whole are beautiful , the run out to Krsko on the train is nothing but mountains, trees, lakes and rivers. Paid up for decent seats in the main stand, the view was great but the stand had absolutely no facilities, if you needed the toilets or a bite to eat or a beer you had to leave the stadium, then join the queue to get re admitted . As for the GP it wasn't great was it, it was probably a bit better if you were there. I hear the claims to drop this venue but realistically where can it go. With 6 of the 10 GP's in Poland, Sweden and GP we have to find at least 4 venues to hold GP speedway that are financially viable, if not Krsko then where ? Was it any worse than Prague most years, that's been on the calendar for 20 years. I thought the crowd was good particularly with Zagar missing. As for the exclusion, I was sitting 10 yards behind the tapes and I couldn't fathom what was going on, it seemed to me with the naked eye that all 4 were not ready to race. As it turned out don't think too much damage was done to Woffinden's title hopes, realistically I think Zmarslik needed a minimum podium finish to give himself a fighting chance, would still back Tai to have the one good night he needs to secure the title.
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13 hours ago, Mark said:SoN is going to Russia said P.Rising.
Now that would surprise me
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On 9/2/2018 at 9:16 PM, steve69 said:Wroclaw is easier to get to for the traveller on public transport over Gorzow was a bit of a trek for me from Poznan. And Wroclaw the city & stadium is excellent. For me the jury is out re-the racing. The SoN was good but the Sf#1 (Wroclaw v Leszno) I have just watched didn`t have that much passing. Would rate Manchester NSS racing as better. I personally think the best race tracks in Poland are Częstochowa & Torun.
Another plus for me with Wroclaw is their could be football on the sunday or Leszno/Rawicz speedway is not that far away by train.
Bit surprised the GP goes back to Wroclaw. Gorzow have put a lot of money into the BSI coffers including being one of their title sponsors . Add to this that Gorzow had already signed a deal to host next years World Cup, that might cost BSI a few quid to get out of that agreement. Wroclaw might be a nice city and easy to get to but the new stadium only has an eleven thousand capacity, much smaller than Torun, Gorzow and Warsaw.
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On 8/2/2018 at 6:07 PM, racers and royals said:Sorry but i can`t tell you that- they haven`t decided yet
however i`m sure you would like to know all the stops 
Poznan Gl. dep 12:19 Poznan Wola dep 12:26 Kiekrz dep 12:31 Rokietnica dep 12:37 Szamotuly dep 12:48 Peckowo dep 12:55 Wronki dep 13:02 Krzyz dep 13:27 Stare Bielice dep 13:33 Nowe Drezdenko dep 13:38 Stare Kurowo dep 13:47 Strzelce Krajenskie Wschod dep 13:53 Sarbiewo dep 13:57 Gorki Noteckie dep 14:02 Santok dep 14:13 Gorzow Wlkp. arr 14:33 Well done to the helpful Mojo who I believe is Maureen and a few young Polish translators on board the train who pointed out to us that the train was not in fact a direct train, but required a change in Krzyz and then a further change to a replacement bus in Santok. Must admit I was in the dark
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On 8/2/2018 at 5:11 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said:got my tickets yesterday for the gorzow GP and for zielona gora next day,staying in kostryn on the polish border 27 miles from the track, love my trips to Poland
How was your experience at Zielona Gora Dean ?
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On 8/25/2018 at 9:19 PM, Starman2006 said:It rained, what do you want blood..
The track was exactly the same last year with little passing, and no rain
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4 minutes ago, moxey63 said:What are the ticket prices at 20/20?
£19 for adults in advance u16 free, not much different to a night at the speedway
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1 hour ago, orion said:Why is cricket a snore fest .because you think so ? 20 -20 is one of the most exciting sports there is and as well as people enjoying a drink there are hugh a.amount fans who are families having a day or night out .one of the worst thing about this topics is clueless idiots trying to make other excuses why other sports are doing well just because they dont like or dont understand them .if you asked any sports fan worth there salt if 20 -20 was a snooze fest they would laugh you out of town .
Bang on, Went to a T20 last night and didn't see anyone worse for wear, just enjoying a casual pint. Last night the attendance must have been made up of 50 % kids who all seemed to be enthusiastic and having a good time and their parents having no problem with a 9.45 pm finish.
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7 hours ago, thecoombdog said:I just can't wait for the reply. Every week for seasons we are told the track is amazing and then when the TV camera's arrive low and behold its bumpy that week but better the next!!
Don't get wrong, the meeting was miles better than anything we have seen at Swindon over the last couple of years, which isn't saying much. But maybe it wasn't sour grapes from NKI the other week.
The lumps and bumps at Poole have been there for years, its no secret that Matt Ford doesn't have the cash to fix it.
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1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:He comes up and chats every week. Friendly guy.
Spoke to Kelvin. He said track is hard. Harris is one to watch. Crowd isn’t great.
Pearson has been banging on all night about how good the crowd is, you both can't be right. Since your there can you have a word with the idiot in the main stand with that clowns horn, god its annoying watching at home. Maybe he / she should use a more up to date musical instrument such as a football rattle. Best meeting we have seen on BT for 5 weeks but that's not saying much
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I think you can forget all these fancy ideas. The BSPA has shown in recent years that the want to go down the PC route. Only have to be on track within 2 minutes, not ready to start, no crossing of the centre green. They are not going to put the tapes up so you can ride round the wrong way, if you do that now and touch the centre green to get the right side of the tapes you are out. The starting system in the UK will only get slower and more pedantic than slicker and faster, all in the name of PC.
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On 7/30/2018 at 12:58 PM, Grand Central said:Well I read what Torben had to say ...
1) Cardiff would be more attractive nearer the business end of the Championship where the meeting could be more 'vital' in the title race
2) moving away from the 'holiday season' will allow more fans to attend and this would be specifically the case for 'locals'
3) the later date should have a 'positive effect' on accommodation price.
I cannot help being sceptical about his words though ....
I have never heard anyone say they avoided attending Cardiff due to it being too early in the title chase but would suddenly do so if it were only 'more vital'.
Most Cardiffs have been last week June to second week July which is generally not holiday season for most people.
Goodness know why 'local' Cardiff folk would suddenly start attending in September when they have studiously avoided doing so for 18 years before .
And I fully expect that the hotels will screw everyone in September just the same as July, especially as the Uni accommodation may be unavailable as well.
I presume the Stadium is just not being offered to them any earlier than September for other reasons and he is just spinning it the best way he can.
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I am fine with September ... Just a little less BS from BSI would be nice.
I read the reasons in Speedway Star and I'm on the same page as you "what rubbish" More locals will go, "really" accommodation more affordable "can we have that in writing" We all know whenever there is an event on at Cardiff that hotel prices go through the roof, Sept 21 will be no different. The business end of the season might cost fans at another GP that has that slot , Cardiff has a solid plus 40 thousand fanbase, other GP's do not.The few more that you might get will be dwarfed by those lost to the football season and even T20 cricket finals day. If the stadium is unavailable in June / July next year then there is no problem with just saying that. Personally I associate Cardiff with being a summer event.
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On 7/27/2018 at 8:38 PM, Mark said:Two flights followed by an hour taxi ride with a Russian driver. Perfect for all European fans.
Throw in another 100 quid for a visa, gets even better.
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5 hours ago, RPNY said:Just Bin the smaller 1 horse town venues and get it back to some worthy citys/stadiums!
A bit like Gothenburg, Stockholm times 2, Copenhagen, Berlin, Gelsenkirchen, Tampere. All stadium GP's which failed to run the course. Only Poland an GB can sustain a stadium GP. Costs will determine that it will probably be tracks in a field in the back of beyond that will be the future.,
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4 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:DID you actually read where the money is coming from and the bigger picture. Plenty of Polish towns and cities pour money into their speedway clubs. Good to see a British one doing the same.
Most of these Polish towns can get ten thousand paying customers through the gate and sponsorship Belle Vue could only dream of.
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12 hours ago, stevebrum said:I’m fully aware of that but it hasn’t been it’s usual high standard for 2 seasons now.
There isn’t any bigger supporter of the Wolves track than me.
Make that 8 seasons. Don't see the reason for blind loyalty. Can't fool the public they are voting with their feet.
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5 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:WARSAW and Prague (probably). Personally, would drop either Malilla or Hallstavik (lack of Swedish riders) and have an early SGP at the NSS in Manchester. British fans are generally more supportive of the riders whatever their nationality and the gap from say May to September wouldn't detract from Cardiff. It might even help.
Don't see how a GP at Manchester will help the Cardiff attendance. With the September date clashing with the football season, T20 finals day at Edgbaston, plus a lack of accommodation, a GP in Manchester might give fans particularly in the north and Scotland a chance to do a GP without the considerable cost that goes along with Cardiff. If ever the Championship 4's isn't the night before Cardiff it could decimate the attendance at Cardiff.
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3 hours ago, Starman2006 said:They tried something different with the presentation of riders, surely you have watched Cardiff in the past.
Sure I've been to every GP at Cardiff. All I'm saying is keep it simple. Your introducing the riders to the crowd in attendance not the TV audience. Lets have it in the centre of the stadium with the lights on so we can all see it, not trying to 2nd guess what's happening like the last 2 years
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20 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:Whats with the moans? Kids dont go to school Saturdays or Sundays so no problems there. The excuse it will be too cold is an imbecilic comment. Septembers can be balmy and Julys wet. Not much difference.
As for football, as someone else has pointed out, the GP is a one off. Crowd could be bigger than normal.
Maybe you have no interest in football but there are some fans on here who probably spend upwards of 800 quid on a season ticket and probably wont want to miss a home match. The date next year is also the same day as T20 finals day in Birmingham, another clash . I do think the clashes , plus it not being in the height of summer will affect the attendance.
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Also the T20 product is good, its largely an entertaining night out, sadly that can't be said of speedway more often than not.