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Lions v KL was originally due to start at 6pm, but at the last meeting it was announced it had been moved to 7.30 due it being televised, so perhaps BT have changed their minds. Wolves v Belle Vue promises to be a closer meeting.
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1 hour ago, geoff58 said:what's the weather like down there ? any rain ??
Overnight rain, but it's been sunny & dry all day.
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Just now, Skidder1 said:Aah another rule change that I must have missed. Thanks. Should make the meeting a bit more competitive.
Because of the fixed race nights it's hardly happened this season. Doubt it will make it much more competitive, Poole make just make 60pts now instead of 62!
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1 minute ago, Skidder1 said:So Leicester have booked David Bellego as a guest for the missing 2nd string Charles Wright (who is 4th in the Lions averages)!!
How does that work exactly?
Because you can have a guest for someone who is 4th or 5th in the averages if they are D/U ( Wright is at Sheffield ), but not if they are injured , then it must be R/R.
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1 hour ago, Mr Bump said:New averages effective from tomorrow now put Auty at reserve. Serjeant could indeed come back in & we’d still have 1 point to play with overall. Charles Wright was only signed as a 28 day replacement for Danny King so that must be about to end too?.
The idea of even more changes though seems almost absurd. We’ve used that many riders we look more like a chuffin’ rugby union team than a speedway team.
Don't think you can bring back riders you have released in the same season, unless they are returning from injury & covered by 28 day signing, so pretty sure Sarjeant can't be re-introduced.
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3 hours ago, Barrow Boy 2 said:They were better off. IRR should only be used if a heat leader is injured as a result of an incident caused by the opposing team. He crashed in his second ride and it was his own fault but by being allowed to use IRR his rides were taken by 2 heat leaders and not the reserves.
You're right, you can bet if reserves had to be used he wouldn't have withdrawn from the meeting, it was obvious from his comments he didn't fancy it & Swindon used the rule to gain an advantage ( can't blame them, Rossiter isn't slow were things like that are concerned). IRR was then unbeaten from the remaining 2 rides. Morris couldn' t have been too badly hurt, seemed to ride OK last night.
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On 7/20/2018 at 6:56 PM, ReadingRacer2017 said:Team News - Swindon - David Bellego has declared himself fit for Monday. Zach Wajtknecht is still out, Frenchman Dimitri Berge guests.
Team News - Leicester - Scott Nicholls, Josh Auty, Stuart Robson & Connor Mountain all make their debuts.
Prediction - Swindon 49-41 Leicester - Tough one to predict as Leicester have a solid 1-7, especially with Robson at reserve. The Swindon top 5 should have enough to see of Leicester though.
Will be interesting to see if Bellego is actually fit to ride or just worried about being replaced.
Robins (2nd 23 pts)
Last 5 Home (W W W W L)
1. Nick Morris
2. David Bellego
3. Adam Ellis
4. Tobiasz Musielak
5. Troy Batchelor
6. Dimitri Berge (GUEST)
7. Jack Smith
Lions (6th 17 pts)
Last 5 Away (L L L L L)
1. Hans Andersen
2. Josh Auty
3. Ricky Wells
4. Charles Wright
5. Scott Nicholls
6. Connor Mountain
7. Stuart Robson
Lions riding order from their website is:
1. Andersen
2. Wright
3.Auty
4.Wells
5. Nicholls
6.Mountain
7.Robson
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17 hours ago, Big Al said:The points limit I think plays a part in the increased turnover because even when an enforced change is made, sometimes two changes have to happen. So in the current situation Sarjeant has probably lost his place for that reason. That is wrong and something should be done which protects the innocent party if he is a Brit.
Apart from that, I think the only change which has been harsh is Newman. Vaculik and Bates never even started, Pqlm Toft was a temporary replacement (again the points limit lead to him not being retained when Bjerre was signed). Leicester reserves now should be Newman and Sarjeant. The 1-5 and the changes to it are mainly legacy of injuries to Vaculik, Bates and King.
I recall in the 1970's White City going the whole season (and winning the league) using r/r for Dag Lovaas, Wolves doing something similar with a rider who never materialised (Johansson?), and Leicester in 1976 so shorn of riders that at Swindon they had 6 guests plus Doug Underwood. Then in the Rogers era there was quite a bit more coming and going - I think that Husczca came and went a few times. In fact you can also put the higher rider turnover down to the massive increase in use of foreign riders.
Agree with you about Newman, he shouldn't have been released, I think they tried to hide behind the fact he was injured, but that was only a short-term injury & he was back riding the week after. Like you say if he hadn't been released he would now be at reserve with Sarjeant, the 2 riders who were meant to start the season at reserve, but hardly got the opportunity too because of Bates injury. ( Newman / Sarjeant) seems stronger than ( Robson / Mountain).
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18 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:All meetings wouldve been used
Thanks for that info, doesn't seem a fair way to do it. With the disproportion in home meetings to away ( 9h/ 4a) it could make for an unrealistic average , which is surely not the idea.
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21 hours ago, flagrag said:Some of the team changes that have just been made at Leicester are just because of averages not fitting for example James Sargeant he would have been kept instead of Mountain but his average is too high.
From what I have heard the rationale behind KP going to be replaced by Auty is the amount of away meetings to be completed where it is believed Auty will score .
Another consideration was if the club had not replaced Krystian today and he rode at Swindon his average would have gone up as his official average would be higher than his current assessed one due to some previous high scores at home.
With Bjere his performance has not been up to the expectations especially in the big heat 13 and 15 situations.
The changes may not work but after the last two meetings they needed to try something
A few weeks ago that would certainly have been the case, Krystian's average was well over 7, but his average had dropped to 6.36, so 0.14 under his assessed average, he would have had to have scored big at Swindon to push it over his 6.50 assessed. I don't know what happens when a rider completes his 4h & 4a, if as in Krystian's case it would have been 9h & 4a, do all 9 home fixtures count or is it the 4 latest or 2 best scores/2 worst? Doesn't seem fair to include 9 home meetings. Infact if you take his last 4 at home & his 3 completed away matches, his average would only be 5.57, so a low score against Swindon in his 4th away match could have seen him at reserve ( that's if they use the most recent 4 home scores, not all 9).
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14 minutes ago, The Observer said:One remaining rider from the start of the season, only one word necessary and that's ruthless. I personally think it's tough on Kristian but I totally get it given his dramatic loss in form & confidence. Scott Nichols always gives 100% and in bringing in Josh and Connor (great to see him given a chance) you've got two riders bang in form and should prove a much stronger reserve pairing. I wish Stuart Robson well, but I'm not convinced he's a number 2 but let's hope I'm proven wrong.
Just one other point, Leicester from all accounts are slowly changing the track surface through adding more shale, is that going to best suit their new line-up or their opponents, because if they have riders who prefer it slick then surely they're handing the advantage to their opposition?
Josh isn't at reserve, Robson is reserve with Mountain. Auty takes his converted Championship average. Averages have been updated already on SGB website : Andersen 7.42 , Nicholls 7.35, Wells 7.09, Wright 6.19, Auty 6.03, Robson 5.52, Mountain 2.79. Total 42.39
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Note to Lions management, next season make Thomas Jorgensen the first rider you attempt to sign, seems to fly round BP every time he visits, always seems to hit double figures. The Kings Lynn boys were a class above anything the Lions could offer( Andersen apart), Pieszczek's form has dipped dramatically, Bjerre is poor & Kurtz looks like he's riding a lawnmower.
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40 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:And it will depend on which Iversen turns up
Or which Bjerre, he's been pretty average so far, needs to up his game.R/R for Kerr makes KL much stronger & with Proctor at reserve makes them favourites.
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8 hours ago, g13webb said:Poole, having a rider of Klindt quality at reserve was always going to be the telling factor. The Leicester track is tailor made for a gater like Klindt He was always going to have extra rides and score loads of points. I was surprised the Lions were in contention as long as they were. Take away Klindt haul and the rest of Poole side were pretty ordinary, so Leicester shouldn't feel too disappointed.
The one obvious deduction to come from this meeting was that the Lions reserves are desperately weak and are in need strengthening. Have always thought it would be better to have at least one strong reserves at the expense of points higher up in the team....
They had the chance to get a stronger reserve in when the 2 changes were made. IMO, Newman should have been retained & Kurtz released, I know he was injured at the time but he was back with Lakeside a week later, this would have given them a much stronger reserve & a better balanced line-up.
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7 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:No new Green Sheets either. Last one was issued 22/6 so new issues from 1/7 unless you click on Premiership/Championship Averages which will give Rolling, 2018, Home & Away.
The new averages effective from 1/7 are available if you click on the team declarations link, don't know why they haven't been updated on the Green Sheets link.
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46 minutes ago, Big Al said:So looks like it's Tuesday if any change/s being made then. Don't think the new averages have been put out yet, but maybe tomorrow.
I'm thinking that Danny Ayres had a PL average of 2.74 last season - don't think he's doing anything except NL this season - so could he come in for JS on that figure?
If so, would that give Leicester up to 5.0 to replace Kurtz (6.50 PL rider). Or has the heat got to me!!?
The new averages were released on the 29th June but for some reason they were published on the team declaration page of the SGB website, instead of the Green sheet page they usually appear on.
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3 minutes ago, Big Al said:So as somebody has said, leaves the door ajar for another change, at reserve.
Kurtz seems to be very much "in favour" with the Lions management. I've just seen the farce of heat 2 at Monmore and I can hardly believe what I was watching. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind. So maybe JS is in line for the chop. But then again he has a habit of saving his bacon by scoring well at home.
You're right Sarjeant does seem to do well at home & looks faster than Kurtz & indeed as a better home average, it's away were he seems to have problems. The thing is, Piesczcek & Sarjeant both have rolling averages higher than their assessed averages ( 7.16 & 3.54), so when they have completed their 4h/4a, the team total will be around or possibly above the 42.50 limit which will leave less scope for a reserve change.
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27 minutes ago, Big Al said:Anyone know what the team averages total is, following the changes?
Bjerre 7.54 , Andersen 7.42, Wells 7.09, Pieszczek 6.50, Wright 6.19, Kurtz 4.02, Sarjeant 3.00 = 41.78.
Pieszczek & Sarjeant will both have done their 4h & 4a, after Wednesdays match at Kings Lynn, so they will get new averages, I think 7 days after that. Kurtz will still have 1 more away match to do before he gets his new average.
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16 hours ago, flagrag said:I thought that it was going to be Wright for Kurtz and then a replacement for King.
This move still means that Lions are weaker at reserve than they need to be.
i am not 100% up on the latest averages could they have dropped Kurtz to bring in Wright and had Wells for King. That would have put Newman at reserve and some needed strength
No that would have been 42.97, so 0.47 over. If they had replaced Kurtz with Wright & kept Newman, they would have had 6.62 to replace King. Like you say it would have given much needed strength at reserve. Have to feel sympathy for Kyle, he was the victim of circumstances, if it hadn't have been for Josh's sledging injury he would have been at reserve & no doubt piling up the points, as it was he was thrust into the main body of the team through no fault of his own & struggled & little, but still increased his starting average by nearly half a point. I think they released the wrong rider, Kurtz was the one to go for me.
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4 hours ago, Robbobee said:Despite a reasonably good performance against Wolves away on Mon night , I do hope Lions take advantage of the 2.3 odd points we have to play with as far as team strength is concerned as by doing so would surely mean a better chance of a play-off spot come the end of the year ...
Assuming both Danny and Kyle come back off injury ok - then Charles Wright or Lasse Bjerre for Todd Kurtz - Todd has done well enough but not as good as either of those two and it would also mean Newman drops to reserve ...
If Kyle or Danny out for long period then a rethink needed - Ricky Wells ? Erik Riss ?
Agree with you regarding Kurtz, but seemed strange that he was wearing new Lions racesuit for last night's meeting, the first time he's worn the Lions colours( he had always used his Sheffield ones before that), if they were replacing him surely they wouldn't have gone to the expense of a new racesuit for 1 meeting.
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2 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:Ricky Wells would just about fit I think
Can't have a guest for a 2nd string this year, unless both are missing or maybe if he's D/U, so it's got to be R/R for Howarth, which weakens Wolves slightly, but should still be much too strong for Lions, with only the reserves & Pieszczek able to take Newman's rides. Can't see Pieszczek scoring more than 1 or 2 having never rode there before. Wolves to win by a least 16 points.
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Charles Wright guests for King . R/R for Newman
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13 minutes ago, Smithchops said:Thanks - interesting ?, time will tell
Yes we'll have to see. It looks like it won't be Lasse because he's been unbeaten in his last 2 meetings for Sheffield which as pushed his rolling average up to 8.34, which converted to Premiership comes to 6.41, which is now too much to replace Kurtz. He could still replace King, if his injury is going to keep him out for a while.
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2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:So what happens if/when Vaculik returns? He was still on assessed 8.00 when he got injured!
Can't really see his Polish side letting him return, even if he wanted too. Or do you know something ?
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Leicester Lions V Kings Lynn Stars TV Meeting 27:08:2018
in SGB Premiership Speedway League
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Hope he makes it in time, because he was great last time he guested, certainly strengthens Lions, far better than Auty at Leicester.