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19 minutes ago, waco said:Rye house could be good if the right people made the changes to the. track and other infrastructure there But the owners are novices at speedway and more interested in cars and other sports at the stadium..Hopefully it could still happen we need a track running in the area..
Prehaps you would like to pay for it or put together a consortium, oh its easy to just ask others to foot the bill.
Whilst I am no apologist for the current owners the place was allegedly condemned by H & S after the state Silver left it in.
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20 minutes ago, cityrebel said:My club, your club, both clubs are knackered. Rye only benefited last year, because they moved up when lakeside dropped down to the NL. This season things have returned to normal. Like you say, crowds were poor during the final years of the len silver era. Rye have no fan base, and lakeside have no track. I'm a neutral that attends both venues. Do i see a future for the Hammers at Rye, if I'm honest, i don't.
I agree with most of what you say although this years drop in attendances was also down to Fixed Race Nights and a different attitude from certain senior riders.
I only comment on Lakesides private grief as I have lost my club twice now (after 30 years of supporting the Rockets I held the club to account by not going in 1993, but after a few years of it being closed I realised my folly) you then come to realise how ever poorly the patient is, it is far better to keep it alive, even if it is in far from ideal health.
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1 hour ago, marko said:Arena Essex was a dump but it was our dump, how do you think we feel about having to ride at a dump that isn't even ours? life is too short to even consider that watching crap speedway rather than no speedway at all, is worth consideration, I would rather watch no speedway than be forced to only watch crap speedway.
Oh I here sighs from fans of defunct teams all over the country, sadly your wish may come true if you are a reflection of the Ammers fans.
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1 hour ago, Cliv Clav said:The riders interviewed have all said that there is only 1 line at Rye, and it is all down to the starts there. Hammers fans have been used to seeing riders being able to come from behind from all over their wide home track and use inside and outside lines to produce good racing, even if they miss the starts. This is just not possible at Rye. Rockets fans have been slagging off the racing, stadium, etc at Rye for long enough and voting with feet. Hammers fans are just finding out how bad it really is there.
If the product is not entertaining and not an enjoyable enough experience to inspire people to pay the admission and travel all the way from Essex for, many will stop going. The locals stopped going in the 90's and have stopped again in this decade.
We are trying to support the team and keep them alive until we get a new home. Let's hope Cook can persuade the stadium owners to rip the track out over the winter and lay a new one.
Crowds were about 1500 to 2000 last year with about 550 for the end of the Silver era, the best I have seen there since the early 80s.
I see your plan, f@ck off the people you need to attend to save your club as there wernt enough Ammers last night to save your club.
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One other point about last night. I was really really cold and there were some pretty bad accidents which will naturally slow the meeting down, but in one heat the Workington management replaced Bickley with Campton (correct decision) but because Campton now had "2 on the trot" he was allowed about 15 minutes to get ready WHY? if he needs a break then don't choose to put him in the race. So what happens, it is the mugs (supporters) who have to hang around getting colder. Tail wagging the dog, what in speedway I hear you ask.
As a neutral it looked like Workington wanted it more than Lakeside who for large parts of the meeting seems second best.
Oh and thanks to Lakeside fans for slagging off our stadium, out track, our lighting, our food, whilst it may not be great The Arena Essex Raceway was never confused with London Palladium. Get real guys I don't think you get it , sadly you are on the cusp of extinction as a club, so suck it up and rally around before its too late.
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5 hours ago, Fromafar said:The only way Harris will pack it in is if Promoters refuse his pay demands.
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I don't know what he gets paid, but I'm certain it is too much for the crowd levels he attracts nowadays. His effort at Workington on Sun was poor,but I'm sure he will blame his Machinary or set up.
don't worry now you have challenged the delicate flower he will have a list of excuses as long as the straights at Berwick,
If you think he is "passed" it (no crime as all riders do eventually, except Hancock) Glasgow fans just remember him hunting down and overtaking Jason Doyle in heat 15 to win the play off match, the man still clearly has it, well for some clubs.
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2 hours ago, cinderfella said:There is no way I'll defend Bumber but was the main reason for Rye's closure not the enforced change of race night which really affected the
crowdsnumbers coming through the gates?Your right the race nights were a disaster for Rye House but the atmosphere was not the same right from the start this year and its wasnt just Harris not putting in a fair shift.
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14 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:Chris stated earlier in the season when Rye went under that he was seriously considering his position and if Poole hadn't come in for him he would have given serious consideration to hanging up his "Racing Jacket"
If doubling up goes next year and "one big league" will put pay to that, then I believe you will see some of the "older guys" retiring fully from the sport. Many of the top riders rely on racing for two, three or four teams to earn a living full time out of the sport and doubling up in the UK was always an easy option for many riders.
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THJHorse and Cart, Cart and Horse - If Harris had put in proper commitment at Rye House then maybe just maybe the club would have kept the number of fans from the previous year and then the club would not have closed and then he would have earned more.
But without tracks there is NO earnings for riders so promote your sport lads or get a part-time job to support your hobby.
NO RIDER HAS A DIVINE RIGHT TO RIDE FULL TIME UNLESS THE SPORT MAKES ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT THEM TO DO SO (i.e Grasstrack)
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17 hours ago, David1970 said:Harris was a joke has been all season only started racing when Craig Cook came on board, big name big let down...
Oh Yes I concur with The Glasgaw fans. Harris was more Bummer than Bomber for Rye House if he missed the gate he was just "swaning "around in third place (8 matches top score of about 7), so watching his performances for Poole was @.+~. Lost all respect for the man.
p.s. I couldn't understand how every year in the Fantasy Speedway League he always started with an average in the 7s, could it be that he would cherry pick his matches at the end of the previous season to reduce his average and then become more employable next year (very good for Harris not so good for the paying customers who attended those meetings).
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Just noticed Lakeside are riding "at home" on Friday, this meeting is being staged at Rye House because Lakeside run out of home dates because they were not allowed to ride on ………………………. FRIDAYS
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Hi Startline Sid,
Finally its official see you on the 14th.
Whilst Im delighted to get to go to Rye House Stadium again spare a thought what the poor Lakeside fans feel about the demise of their track, clearly I know this feeling all to well.
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48 minutes ago, cityrebel said:Lakeside host Peterborough at home in the ko cup on 29/9. I presume this meeting will be staged at Arena Essex, unless someone knows something I don't.
I see the 29th September is a Saturday and I thought Lakeside said they would not ride host a meeting at the Arena Essex Raceway on a Saturday "confused"
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Hi Startline Sid,
Please read the Barraiders comments on the Championship page.
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1 hour ago, tocha said:The date was offered to Peterborough but they have declined citing rider unavailability but, as far as I can see, only Grondal would be missing as he has a Danish league match the same day. It did appear as provisional fixture up until yesterday. However, bearing in mind Peterborough have outstanding league fixtures they might ordered to fulfill the date.
Just noticed a fellow Witham dweller (not something we normally admit to)
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1 hour ago, cityrebel said:All the time the present incumbents are still on site, the track will remained unlicensed. The stadium ownership is the biggest obstacle to overcome, if professional Speedway is to be staged there again.
Whilst it may be problem for the current owners to granted a licence by the BSPA , I believe another promoter could cook up a deal to run at the stadium and BMR would revert to being landlords.
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Hi Startline Sid,
read a great quote "everything comes to those who are patient"
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On 7/11/2018 at 3:49 PM, startline sid said:so do you think that racing will continue this year? - sorry up until now I have been very optimistic about the whole new set up but I am afraid I am not now (unless you count a couple of dragons club meetings - no offence to them but they are hardly likely to pull any crowd in). I would love to keep my optimism going and will support any resurrection of the team but...………...
Hi Startline Sid,
It would seem that a scenario is starting to emerge that we might see racing at Rye this season.
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3 hours ago, Najjer said:IF that's true, they're even bigger morons than I gave them credit for. What decent businessman buys a business without doing the relevant checks on what he is actually buying? Surely he has to know the state of it to reflect the value of what he is spending. That just makes them look even more incompetent than what they have been made to look over the last few months or more already.
Have you ever bought an old second hand car and find out later when stripping down the engine you find the Manifold Head Gasket was split.
"Theres none so blind as those who wont see"
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55 minutes ago, Ben91 said:You’ll find that in 2007 Scunthorpe only raced in the Conference and Tai rode for them as well as the Rockets in the PL. We didn’t nick him, we made him an offer and he took it.
But Scunthorpe were going up to the National League in 2008 and they wanted Tai and if I recall Josh Auty to spearhead the team. My point is we cannot take all the credit as we didn't discover him from our training track like a Dan Bewley or even a Marvyn Cox (whom we did develop although that was 36 years ago)
1 hour ago, waytogo28 said:How can you sell up and be responsible for what happens three years later? BMR were hyped as ultra professional and must have looked " buyer beware" style carefully at what they were buying? An ageing, tired business that BMR were certain they could revive and found out that they couldn't.
A Health and Safety inspection condemned the stadium with a massive list of problems only missing" two dead pigeons in the water tank". It cost a fortune from BMR to at least have three more years speedway.
As for your valid point that they couldn't revive it, well there seems to be some confusion that BMR may not have pulled the plug rather the BSPA did.
I am sure Ben91 and waytogo28 are as big a fan of Rye House as I am but please try to see what has really happened at Hoddesdon over a long period of time.
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1 hour ago, westhamboy66 said:I can't get beyond the first line of this ....Check the rules you will find he didn't nick Woffinden. He and his late father chose Rye for various reasons including the Financial package.
3 League titles during his tenure. You clearly have some personal problem with him maybe you were the one his if you don't like it comments were aimed at. The I'm no fan of BMR is priceless as is the Poor Ronnie Russell comment, so we can gather that you had no time for all the Promoters going back to the demise of Rayleigh. Perhaps there is a clue in your username eh?
Not sure why you choose to make your response personal instead of debating the valid points I make.
The point about Woffy was he didn't discover and train him but his cheque book was bigger than Scunthorpes (Chelsea and Man city would approve)
Thanks for enlightening me that "Uncle" Len was talking to me direct. "you clearly have some personal problem with him", No, but the facts I listed are more relevant.
Given the decaying team and stadium and fan base I don't think BMR (sure they were naïve but them meant well) are the main reason for this situation ITS LEN SILVER and by the way there was one particular promotion at Rye House that I thought were exceptional.
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6 hours ago, tonyd said:If Rye are to return in 2019 then I think they should enter the National League with a team, after the fiasco this year they need to ........
1) start from scratch again
2) walk before they can run
3) build up the fan base again (and the fans belief in BMR again)
4) Build a team they can afford and survive the season
5) ensure they run on a Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon.
Ambition is great and BMR had / have plenty of that but for that you also have to have deep pockets and it seems you have to ensure your face fits and be in with the right click of people when your sitting around the table at the big HQ.
BMR need to look back over the Silver years, many people moaned about Len (including me) as a promoter, his teams, and his presentation but and its a BIG but at least he gave us speedway virtualy every weekend throughout the season for a great number of years.
How easy it is to have rose coloured spectacles about Silver
How about winning - He nicked Woffy from Scunthorpe (who actually developed him in the National League) when we won the league
How about the team - The teams deteriorated year on year (don't mention picking Boxall over Doyle)
How competitive we were - We landed up bottom three year on year (the only team missing us now is Redcar as they are bottom every year)
How about the stadium -, no investment what so ever in fact Health and Safety condemned the stand, so without the money BMR put it the club would have been shut down anyway
How about the crowds - well he oversaw a drop from 1,500 to about 400 each meeting
How about the marketing - quote " if you do like it the way I run it then don't bother coming"
He run the club down in the mid eighties and poor Ronnie Russell (I am no fan of Ronnie) copped it until it closed in 1993
He was given the club back by the fans in 2000 (first night back at Rye House a crowd of over 2,500 and paying the riders around £10 per point (you do the sums)
He run the club down again and poor BMR (I am no fan of BMR) copped it until it closed in 2018
Yes I yearn for my club to back, No I don't yearn for it to be run by Silver
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18 minutes ago, waytogo28 said:If they had the money to pay - but chose not to pay - while they were operating, where are BMR going to get it from now they cannot run?
Im not a spokesman for BMR but thier quotes said the money was going to be paid. So I take them at their word.
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15 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:No point in scoring big points if you're not getting paid is it?!
Who says he hasn't or wont be paid?
Prehaps trying every week would have resulted in better results for the team, then more fans will attend, then more money is raised, then he gets paid earlier?
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So Chris Harris signs for Poole
It has been pointed out that Chris`s performance for Rye House were baffling to say the least this year (sadly this resulted in his average being reduced, but luckily for him a low average makes him more employable).
His one great performance this season was 4 wins and a fall on a 5-1 at Poole (but I am sure this was a coincidence that they happen to be his new employer) the rest of the season was littered with 6 point scores.
His form this season has been erratic due to various circumstances he himself outlined earlier this year, well I am so glad that immediately after losing his job at Rye House and is in the "shop window", he breaks the track record at Glasgow.
It would seem that by total accidence Chris is a very lucky rider.
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Lakeside V Peterbrough Play Off Semi Final 14-10-18
in SGB Championship League Speedway
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Very Good
As a neutral regardless how this situation arose they should let Lakeside through to the final and all it will need is for Rob Godfrey to phone his long time friend Ged Rathbone and ask him for a favour and step aside, presuming g they are friends.