Barrow Boy 2
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13 hours ago, szkocjasid said:With Nicholls & Pawlicki, plus a far stronger looking reserve pair, Birmingham really should win this one. If they can't, massive changes needed (if there's anyone out there).
Lampart's GSA is 4.00. Nicholls is 8.38. Hardly a like for like.
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18 hours ago, szkocjasid said:I'd prefer a league where clubs race on their preferred race night. Unfortunately that would mean losing out on the top riders due to foreign commitments. So I don't have the answer
I'm with you on this because if teams raced on preferred nights the likes of Sayfutdinov, Holder, Bewley etc may not be able to ride in England which would be a shame. I have longed for the dwindling number of tracks to be all in just the one league though but it would reduce the quality. Difficult. So I too do not have the answer.
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On 3/7/2024 at 11:24 PM, customhouseregular said:A tad confusing maybe. Every team meets every other team nome and away. Top team at end of season wins the league. The way it always was for many a long year.
Agree that the team finishing top of the league be League Champions. How about replacing the Play Offs with an end of season K/O cup?
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By using all riders actual 2023 averages (not GSA rolling averages) it comes out as follows:-
1-Ipswich-48.50
2-Sheffield-47.84
3-Leicester-46.91
4-King's Lynn-46.87
5-Belle Vue-46.77
6-Oxford-46.64
7-Birmingham-43.51
For Oxford I have given Janowski an average similar to Sayfutdinov & Doyle. For Tungate his most current BPL average which I'm sure he will improve and I fully expect Boughan to improve. I would therefore think that Oxford will finish much higher.
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Now that the BNL teams average has been increased by 0.25 to allow Max Perry to compete would Leicester have included him had this been done earlier?
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On 12/24/2023 at 9:06 AM, Islander15 said:It looks a very strong side at home that should go through the season unbeaten. Thompson will score a maximum every week as this is clearly below his level and will be nigh on I beat able at most away tracks too. What is he really gaining?
Crang looked a good prospect when he arrived on the scene as a late starter. I expected him to be more of a Starke type rider who was unlikely to ever hit the headlines but should’ve been a steady second tier rider. He’ll put points on his average this season but he’ll never make the Leicester PL team.
Foord, Butcher and Spencer are reliable riders in their own rights. In a weaker league they’ll all probably put upto a point on their own averages, but again unlikely to ever make the Leicester PL team.
Bizarrely that only leaves James as the one on a genuine constant upward trajectory. Plus Springer who deserves his first chance at this level and now he’s signed I hope he gets the full season. I still can’t believe they didn’t include Perry. They gave him a NL chance first and he very well could soon be a Leicester PL rider. Even in 2025 as a Rising Star assuming both Thompsons outgrow that role. But they haven’t given him this year in the NL?!
I’m really confused by this Leicester team! In previous years they’ve got it more than most and put out a team truly for development! Yet this year we have a weaker league and it feels like they’ve done the opposite.
And because it is a weaker league most riders will improve their starting averages. To date there are just 5 riders who will start on an average over 7.
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On 12/11/2023 at 8:46 PM, RoundTheBoards said:J Thompson 9.08 T Spencer 5.78 M James 5.70 A Butcher 4.69 V Foord 3.81 C King 3.39 W Cairns 3.00 Joe Thompson has now signed for Plymouth who I understand are to race on Saturdays as will The Cubs.
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15 minutes ago, mc131 said:That's not a rule
I hope you are correct but Max Perry has already said he cannot continue with the Cubs presumeably because of what Flagrag thought would be happening.
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16 hours ago, PotteringAround said:No. He's only signed for Edinburgh's Championship side, not their NDL team
I'd expect him to be at Leicester for NDL
But Flagrag said that only one NDL rider may also be allowed to ride in The BCL. Hence Max Perry not being allowed to ride for the Cubs because he has signed for Poole if Joe Thompson remains a Cub.
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On 12/7/2023 at 2:56 PM, flagrag said:My understanding is that Leicester had no option to have Joe T and Max Perry in the team even if they have two 3pt reserves and another in the main body of the team .
I believe there is a rule being brought out about riding in Championship and NDL with clubs being limited to just one rider that can do both leagues this is to prevent fixture clashes and trying to find guests.
.So with Max already signed for Poole and Joe at a track the club had to make a decision and went with Joe as the solid number 1 hopefully Max will be back at Leicester at some point
Max James has now signed for BCL Edinburgh. Does this prevent him from riding for the Cubs as well.
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1 hour ago, flagrag said:My understanding is that Leicester had no option to have Joe T and Max Perry in the team even if they have two 3pt reserves and another in the main body of the team .
I believe there is a rule being brought out about riding in Championship and NDL with clubs being limited to just one rider that can do both leagues this is to prevent fixture clashes and trying to find guests.
.So with Max already signed for Poole and Joe at a track the club had to make a decision and went with Joe as the solid number 1 hopefully Max will be back at Leicester at some point
Nothing about this on either Poole's or Leicester's sites
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24 minutes ago, Islander15 said:If I was a Leicester fan, I’d be hugely disappointed that Perry won’t be back. But here’s to hoping that someone else picks him up, and the other teams haven’t already effectively decided their line-ups, given a youngster as talented as Perry deserves to continue progressing in the NL without the pressure of the Championship.
How about
Max Perry-7.75
Tom Spencer-5.78
Max James-5.70
George Congreve-5.60
Mickey Simpson-4.23
Vinny Foord-3.51
Connor King-3.39
Total-35.96
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On 11/17/2023 at 11:13 PM, szkocjasid said:If you look at the averages of the best 7 "riding stars" they are fair aves for reserves imo, so shows the quality is there to continue with the RS system imo. If they all averaged below 3.00, I'd agree the system doesn't work in the Prem.
J.Jenkins (4.21)
D.Kemp (4.04)
L.Flint (4.00)
A.Rowe (3.76)
D.Thompson (3.70)
D.Gilkes (3.67)
C.Bailey (3.57)
Biggest flaw this year was clubs not using the best options, so a couple of riders may have been out of their depth.
Even if there's injuries, still riders like Jack Thomas, Jason Edwards, Henry Atkins & Ashton Boughen waiting in the wings.
Getting off topic now,
So for Leicester, I'd go with Kemp as my RS.
Leicester will first chance to retain Drew Kemp. All BPL teams are allowed to retain their 2023 rider if they and the rider wishes do they not?
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On 10/16/2023 at 8:24 AM, Bojangles said:He said he wants to focus on the Championship (which presumably means Oxford are staying there), and Under-24 in Poland.
Oxford have already confirmed they will be continuing in next season's NDL making them members of all 3 leagues.
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My Top 20 Riders At the end of last season including riders who for various reasons were unable to be there at the end are as follows:-
01-Henry Atkins-Oxford-1070
02-Jordon Jenkins-Oxford-1065
03-Connor Bailey-Workington-1050
04-Dan Thompson-Leicester-1025
05-Joe Thompson-Leicester-1000
06-Alfie Bowtell-Mildenhall-980
07-Max Clegg-Edinburgh-970
08-Ashton Boughen-Leicester-960
09-Jacob Hook-Edinburgh-950
10-James Pearson-Belle Vue-910
11-Nathan Ablitt-Kent-905
12-Jack Smith-Belle Vue-880
13-Ben Morley-Kent-875
14-Sam Hagon-Belle Vue-860
15-Adam Roynon-Edinburgh-850
16-Max Perry-Leicester-845
17-Luke Killeen-Oxford-815
18-Lee Complin-Mildenhall-795
19-Connor Coles-Berwick-770
20-Ryan Kinsley-Oxford-760
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On 10/25/2023 at 6:31 PM, PowerfulPierre said:It all went wrong after Morris was caught playing silly bu**ers and earned himself a 2 year ban. It's been quite well documented that Bomber was not comfortable riding the B.P. circuit and said so himself in a post match interview with Rob Sensicall. Richie made no secret of the fact that he wanted to be back at Leicester, and don't forget that the riders' averages had a big part to play in forcing Stewart's hand in having to change things around.
You are correct but Harris leaving did not help.
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As this is my last list I have included those riders who for various reasons were not actually riding at the end who I have not included before.
01-Ryan Douglas-Scunthorpe-1040
02-Sam Masters-Oxford-1035
03-Chris Harris-Glasgow-1030
04-Josh Pickering-Edinburgh-1010
05-Benjamin Basso-Glasgow-1000
06-Charles Wright-Redcar-995
07-Danny KIng-Redcar-960
08-Craig Cook-Edinburgh-950
09-Richard Lawson-Poole-945
10-Kyle Howarth-Plymouth-940
11-Vadim Tarasenko-Glasgow-935
12-Rory Shlein-Berwick-905
13-Richie Worrall-Plymouth-900
14-Steve Worrall-Poole-895
15-Scott Nicholls-Oxford-880
16-Lewis Kerr-Oxford-870
17-Leon Flint-Berwick-820
18-Tom Brennan-Glasgow-805
19-Ben Barker-Plymouth-800
20-Nick Morris-Birmingham-795
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3 hours ago, Mike0310 said:I completely agree Arthur on the name change I just think the ships probably sailed on this now after the latest call off ( not Poole’s fault) and maybe to not make it more of a laughing stock just forget about it, both teams do not even have the same seven riders that got them to the final.
When it was decided that this fixture would be played it was ruled that Leicester would have to provide a team of BCL standards up to a 40 point limit based on start of the season averages.
This is a joke as Poole's riders having topped the league would have obviously increased .They have in fact risen to a combined average of 45/46 wheras Leicester's selected riders only amount to the agreed 40. How is this fare?
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Douglas is a much better rider around Beaumont Park than he is around Monmore Green
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In my final list I have included riders who would have qualified if they had not been injured and were not competing at the end.
01-Emil Sayfutdinov-Ipswich-1080
02-Robert lambert-King's Lynn-1050
03-Jack Holder-Sheffield-1040
04-Tai Woffinden-Sheffield-1015
05-Jason doyle-Ipswich-1010
06-Tobias Musielak-Sheffield-960
07-Nicolai Klindt-King's Lynn-950
08-Jamon Lidsey-Belle Vue-930
09-Max Fricke-Leicester-920
10-Brady Kurtz-Belle Vue-910
11-Dan Bewley-Belle Vue-830
12-Danny King-Ipswich-825
13-Josh Pickering-Sheffield-815
14-Artem Laguta-Peterborough-790
15-Ben Cook-Peterborough-770
16-Ryan Douglas-Wolverhampton-765
17-Benjamin Basso-Peterborough-750
18-Vadim Tarasenko-Peterborough-745
19-Chris Harris-Peterborough-700
20-Neils Kristian Iversen-Peterborough-680
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No news yet but if Leicester continue in 2024 and remain in The BPL then I hope that Ryan Douglas will return along with Chris Harris who should not have been let go [n the first place. It all went wrong after he was exchanged for Richie Worrall.
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My Top 20 Riders on current form as at 30.09.23 are now as follows:-
01 (01) Jordon Jenkins-Oxford-1070
02 (03) Henry Atkins-Oxford-1065
03 (02) Connor Bailey-Workington-1050
04 (06) Alfie Bowtell-Mildenhall-1020
05 (09) Joe Thompson-Leicester-1000
06 (05) Max Clegg-Edinburgh-970
07 (11) Jack Smith-Belle Vue-965
08 (10) Ashton Boughen-Leicester-960
09 (08) Jacob Hook-Edinburgh-940
10 (07) James Pearson-Belle Vue-910
11 (14) Sam Hagon-Belle Vue-865
12 (16) Ben Morley-Kent-860
13 (15) Adam Roynon-Edinburgh-850
14 (----) Max Perry-Leicester-830
15 (17) Nathan Ablitt-Kent-820
16 (----) Luke KIlleen-Oxford-815
17 (13) Lee Complin-Mildenhall-800
18 (18) Connor Coles-Berwick-770
19 (12) Ryan Kinsley-Oxford-760
20 (19) Matt Marson-Belle Vue-740
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My Top 20 Riders on current form as at 30.09.23 are now as follows:-
01 (06) Ryan Douglas-Scunthorpe-1090
02 (01) Sam Masters-Oxford-1080
03 (03) Benjamin Basso-Glasgow-1060
04 (04) Richard Lawson-Poole-1030
05 (09) Josh Pickering-Edinburgh-1010
06 (02) Chris Harris-Glasgow-1005
07 ( 07) Steve Worrall-Poole-980
08 (----) Vadim Tarasenko-Glasgow-975
09 (15) Danny King-Redcar-960
10 (14) Kyle Howarth-Plymouth-940
11 (11) Lewis Kerr-Oxford-920
12 (17) Rory Schlein-Berwick-900
13 (10) Scott Nicholls-Oxford-895
14 (----) Leon Flint-Berwick-830
15 (18) Jake Allen-Scunthorpe-810
16 (16) Ben Cook-Poole-800
17 (----) Michael Palm Toft-Scunthorpe-790
18 (----) Tom Brennan-Glasgow-770
19 (----) Troy Bachelor-Birmingham-730
20 (20 Eric Riss-Redcar-720
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As stated it is based on current form. To be precise riders most current 10 meetings. Points are earned based on the difficulty of certain races. Heats 13 & 15 being more rewarding than say heats 2-8 & 14.
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Lions v Aces 18/04 PR1
in SGB Premiership Speedway League
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The poor crowd was certainly due to peoples doubts that it would be on and because it was available to view for £12.99 instead of £22. I expect there will now be many future meetings poorly attended due to the cheaper stay at home option. If a family watches it at home for £12.99 they will save say £37ish per family in admission fees. The very productive 50/'50 riders raffle will also be affected. Not good.