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  2. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

    Lawson has already said himself that how he races costs £500 a meeting (far from unrealistic) so he is clearly on a touch more than that, plus fuel money and a tenner for a big mac on the way home.

    As your obviously an expert as you claim £500 is “far from unrealistic “ perhaps you could explain how you come to that decision ?

     

     

     

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    34 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

    I meant it rhetorically!  If a club has the choice of more than one rider on similar averages for a team place, then they will tend to opt for the club asset if there is one rather than pay another loan fee to another rider's club.

    Not necessarily true. If the ‘ asset ‘ is not ‘ fancied by the owners then coughing up a few hundred for a rider they do ‘ fancy ‘ then that’s what will happen. There’s also the case of the ‘asset’ not wishing not to ride for his owners, Loads of examples of that in the past.

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    Not sure why everybody’s getting their knickers in a twist over ‘ guarantees ‘. These can take many forms, i.e. a minimum guarantee mainly used for low average riders so they at least know they can cover their expenses. There’s an ‘ average ‘ guarantee, guaranteed payment upto your average and then a ‘ bonus ‘ for scoring extra points. They come in many forms, one club paid all 7 riders a ‘ guarantee wage ‘ so that he knew what his wage bill would be each match.

    It’s up to the promoter how he comes up with a deal and nothing to do with the rest of us.

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  6. Posted

    1 hour ago, IronScorpion said:

    No. What made a difference was their Top loaded heat leaders increasing by 2+, Nielsen by .5+, reserves improving & their USE OF GUESTS for riders who had not ridden for them. I can not remember this rule used before but well done Poole.

    Any chance of this going back to being a Redcar thread and not a Basso fall out thread?

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    9 hours ago, Nickinho said:

    Why are so few people talking Redcar up for the title? The team looks really good.

    Because titles aren’t won on paper and Redcar fans don’t get carried away on forums , they are just happy to have a good team, a great track and an improving set up.

    A strong team, same as last season , certain to be in the play offs but you need luck , no injuries and form at the right time to win titles. Good to see them giving two young British lads the reserve spots.

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  12. Posted

    36 minutes ago, Deano said:

    And the reason they struggle a dwindling dying fan base. Every track closure loses hundreds of fans and a promoter until they both become too small to support anything. We had money from TV coming in until the recent deal, money that went back out the sport none invested and kept in the sport. 

    Exactly ! So why did you suggest a BSPL run ‘new club’ when they are struggling to keep their own individual clubs afloat ? The same people who failed to invest in the sport are still , in the majority, running the sport as the few , new, promotions with new ideas have no say in how it’s run so nothing is going to change hence the 2022 set up being the same as 2021 .

    Nothing will change till it implodes and then, hopefully , gets a complete overhaul.

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    17 hours ago, Deano said:

    In the speedway world if a single promotion isn’t prepared to take a risk and a punt on their life savings, no new tracks like at Burton will appear. If though a collective BSPL shared promotion could be agreed and take 50% of the start up costs, more tracks might appear.

    You think the BSPL have any cash for such a project or even the combined will to actually do something collectively for the ‘ good of the sport ‘ when most of them are struggling to keep their own clubs running ?

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    7 hours ago, steve roberts said:

    That's just on your right before you approach the junction to Moor Monkton (surprised it's not been used for a Grasstack event?) The Trotting track is opposite the petrol garage (Kirk Hammerton) as you turn right towards Nun Monkton. I visited once and was quite a spectacle but it's something I would do only the once...closest thing to chariot racing I guess?

    The trotting track hosted the Long track meeting which Ivan and many other stars featured in, including Peter Collins, Don Godden, Simon Wigg etc.

    The A.C.U. have looked at the facility in recent times but it hasn’t gone any further.

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  15. Posted

    2 hours ago, ch958 said:

    wonder what happen to Avonmouth, the RSPB seemed to have been satisfied and there's no houses nearby.

    Oh and the guy who said 'cloudcukooland' - well Redcar happened, Worky is coming along, Oxford are back, things may be happening at Brum, Easty, Rye House. Never give up.

    The thread is existing ‘ Stadiums ‘, that could host speedway, Redcar wasn’t a stadium, Northside ( Workington ) is not a stadium, both built from scratch on waste land.

  16. Posted

    Let’s get a bit of perspective here, this is a press release saying….” We will be doing the same thing as we did last year, picking our own preferred  ‘ youngsters ‘ and telling some other ‘ youngster ‘ your the non useable number eight for the night. We say we are going to have a junior league , same as we said last year, but we didn’t bother with it really and we may or may not bother again this year”

    Lets wait and see what actually comes out in the wash.

     

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  17. Posted

    On 11/24/2021 at 10:13 PM, mikebv said:

    Sky didnt pull out before 2006 did they?

    Thought it was much more recent than that..

    Edit Just checked. BT took over UK coverage in 2017...

    Sky paid up their contract in 2016

    Sky showed British Speedway for a long, long time...

    And paid a hell of a lot of money in too...

    The 5 year deal referred too was the deal that they terminated early in 2016.

    Yes, in speedway terms they did put a lot of money in over the 10 years ( 2 contracts ) and just what was done with it ? Divided by the top clubs to cover their ‘ costs ‘ with a little left over for the kitty  and none invested in the future of the sport.

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  18. Posted

    25 minutes ago, mikebv said:

    Wasn't it just over £100k a club per season?..

    With individual meetings getting another '£x thousand to offset any crowd loss due to live TV..

    That was in a 10 club Elite league..

    And it went in for a fair few years, so it was a good few million..

    Edit. Cant link it up but just read an article from 2001 with Vanessa Purchase of Oxford in the Oxford Mail, where she discusses the £5 million, five year deal with Sky..

    No, it wasn’t.

    Yes, Sky paid a for a 5 year deal and did settle in full despite withdrawing early.

    The current deal is less than 3% of the Sky money.

  19. Posted

    38 minutes ago, Deano said:

    Anyone one know how much in total speedway has received from TV since SKY took it on?

    I'm guessing it might have been enough to have bought a few stadia.

    It wasn’t by a long distance and once it was shared out between the ‘top’ clubs the individual amount wasn’t enough to purchase the promoter a a Rolls but it did offset a large percentage of their running costs.

    The new money won’t buy them a decent second hand tractor with grader attached.

  20. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    14 hours ago, Pieman72 said:

    I am having a severe Anorakking on here lol. I can see why it's all going wrong....reconstructing. Speedway is in a mess and obviously your more in the 'know' than me. How many times have I heard that. So if Wolverhampton have a successful programme of Second Halves why do they fill the team with non aligned foreign riders?

    Your reading things that aren’t there, again.

    I never said ‘successful’ as second halfers obviously aren’t good enough, yet, to be in a team , any team, that’s why they are second halfers and as for the make up of the Wolves team….ask CVS or Mr. Adam’s….it’s their business.

  21. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    19 minutes ago, Pieman72 said:

    Wolves riders get appearance money and having no British riders is detrimental to the future of the sport. If you have no programme of promoting local riders with a training school what is the future. We all know fielding a team full of foreign riders is wrong why defend it?

    Is he defending it ?, he hasn’t even mentioned the subject.

    You appear to have an issue with Wolves policy, that’s your opinion and your entitled to it.. I’ve never heard of any rider ever getting ‘ appearance money ‘ and I’m very experienced in clubs finances over the years. You may be getting confused with ‘ start money ‘ ( mainly done away with now ) or even a’ guarantee’ which is quite common with some clubs.

    As for promoting local riders, your track needs to have the track time available to do it, few do . I’ve seen many a ‘ second half ‘ at Wolverhampton over the passed few years so they are definitely  trying.

  22. Posted

    31 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said:

    Wolves riders are not any more expensive than a lot of British riders Wolves do not pay for flights ect.

    The ‘ masses ‘ won’t believe you as they know best. Very few outside the ‘inner circles’ of a speedway club have any understanding of the finances involved as many a post on here shows . Championship Riders on a £100 plus a point ? Vans , houses, bikes, mechanics, given free ? never mind flights paid for. Those clubs still getting involved in those things are the ones most often on the endangered list.

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  23. Posted

    1 hour ago, GWC said:

    I really hope the bspl get behind this as the south east has become a waste land currently for the sport.

    Not sure what your expecting from the BSPL ?

    They have no money , no power except inside their own minority sport and haven’t shown a lot of interest in assisting other ‘defunct’ tracks , except Leicester when they were closing as there was a bit of self interest involved .We can hardly call any region a hot bed of speedway these days , maybe the north  ? ( Belle Vue, Sheffield, Scunthorpe , Redcar, Newcastle, Berwick ).

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  24. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    7 hours ago, Trackerman48 said:

    Not at Birmingham unfortunately,  but I hope it can be done . Only this season did redcar get that sort of crowd?

     

    Whilst Redcars crowd average was up this year , as it has been year on year since 2017, it doesn’t get the four figure crowd that Birmingham appear to need but, due to good leadership, this is offset by very good club sponsors. Personally I think that’s not an achievable figure under the circumstances they find them selves in. Demanding Landlord, bad previous history in 2021 and will be putting a team together after every other club ? Recipe for another disastrous season?

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