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  1. Posted

    1 minute ago, secsy1 said:

    I personally think this is bonkers, most tracks operate an interval after every race hence the time to finish 15 minutes of racing over 2 and a half hours.

    Who needs an interval?

    Pure nonsense, who benefits from the interval, OH yes the riders need a break.

    This crap has killed the sport.

    Breaks are sometimes taken to allow the centre green staff to use the toilet or even grab a cuppa , just remember they are volunteers !

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  2. Posted

    On 4/7/2023 at 10:39 PM, crescent girl said:

    It seems some riders have been a bit naughty, using a special 'blue' methanol additive (created for drag racing) to their fuel.

    After some 'interesting' performances in early meetings, the SCB have issued the following:

     

    It has been reported to the SCB that some riders have been adding additives to their methanol.

    All riders are reminded that only "Pure Methanol" is allowed with no additives as per SCB Regulation 04.2.9

    Any riders found to be using additives will be subject to an enquiry and the possibility of disciplinary action.

    (Riders riding 125cc/150cc have the option of Pure Methanol or Unleaded Petrol)

     

    This is clearly being taken seriously, as there was after-race fuel tests being carried out on Good Friday at one track, at least...........
     

     

    Utter rubbish.

    There is no such thing as ‘ blue methanol’, the statement referred to ‘additives’ that are used by some 125cc riders which is perfectly legal in Europe and in any other motorsport and which was seen being used at the Ben Fund meeting and was openly used by 2 or three competitors. They have now been advised not to use it in the UK.

  3. Posted

    11 minutes ago, rearingtogo said:

    Can you then explain why 3 teams that run on the same night and Lynn is always the last to finish I’ve seen this on the updates website. Always slow after each heat has run. There is different refs so why is this a regular occurrence.watched the Sheffield v Kings Lynn meeting the other night and each heat was run very quickly like the gp’s. No delays and the meeting was finished about 9.15. At Lynn it’s more often than not 9.30- 9.45pm. 

    Why would I even hazard a guess ? I don’t attend Kings Lynn . I’m telling you it’s not the the CoC who has control, it’s the ref, simple as that .

    Some tracks don’t have intervals , some do, so they may finish later, but that’s just a guess, try asking the ref at Kings Lynn next time and maybe they will enlighten you.

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  4. Posted

    1 hour ago, rearingtogo said:

    When Phil comes to Kings Lynn he will find the clerk of the course fails to get the riders out after each heats with long delays. I personally know of fans that have deserted the sport because of long delays causing the meeting to run late very frustrating especially at the beginning and end of the season when the temperature outside is cold. Very bad for Oap’s health wise, and kids going to school the next day.

    Not the Clerk of the Course’s responsibility, he is only the liaison between the ref , the pits and the team managers, riders getting out on track is down to referee.

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  5. Posted

    2 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

    None of that has any relevance to the topic I was addressing, which is that on Tuesday the opening poster claimed that no 2023 rule changes were known because only the 2022 regulations were on the website.... whereas in actual fact the 2023 regulations had been on the site for a month.

    But since you've gone off in a different direction, I'm intrigued....   Which scenarios do you think exist that are going to need amendments to be made?   

     

    The scenarios discussed were not brought up by me but by promoters and team managers but they did raise valid points which had not been considered by the rule makers, hence the amendments.

    The use of the number 8 and his eligibility being a huge one.

  6. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    2 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

    The (unjustified) whinging on this thread was that the OP didn't know the rule changes for 2023, as the website only had 2022 regulations.   

    However the fact is that at the time of his posting (and for a month previously) the Regulations were on the website.  So his post was pointless.

    Also if someone doesn't follow the regulations, they will be punished as set out in the regulations.   Touch the tapes, you'll be excluded etc etc.   As it ever was.  But people like to moan about nothing.

    The rule book was in print before the clubs were informed of the new changes. The no.8 rule being one and the super duper heat etc .

    When certain ‘scenarios’ were pointed out to the rule makers they accepted that one or two amendments would have to be made.

    So don’t rely on what’s written down months ago as it may have been superseded , which, in speedway, happens often when one club interprets a rule one way and the opposition interprets it another way. Do you recall the Robert Lambert scenario?

  7. Posted

    2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

    Assume that 1-7 riders still have to complete thier minimum 3 rides though (unless withdrawn) so effectively an AR no 8 can only take a ride off a main rider once

     

    The no.8 can now replace any rider at any time, but those declared riders in the 1-7 ( minus whoever the R/R was for to require a no. 8 )  must still take their three rides unless withdrawn through injury.

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  8. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

    While it might be hoped he won't be tested in such a way, Bailey Fellows is permitted to take up to seven rides tonight.     

    A rule amendment applying only to National League racing

    Incorrect.

    Number 8’s in the championship can take seven rides too, which came as a shock to the promoters when it was announced at the SCB seminars.

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  9. Posted

    17 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

     

    Quite the opposite.   Seems I'm the only one on this thread that keeps up with what goes on.

    People moaning they don't know the rule changes , yet as I pointed out the rules have been available on the internet for over a month.

    Just because they are ‘available’ doesn’t mean they will be followed at all times by everybody.

  11. Posted

    On 4/5/2023 at 9:37 PM, PotteringAround said:

    The rules have been there on the website for a month, so I don't see what the complaint is.

    You obviously don’t keep up with what goes on in speedway. The saying ‘ rules are there to be broken ‘ come to mind.

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  15. Posted

    21 hours ago, edmon said:

    Any fixtures for 2023 NJL yet?

    Redcar ‘ Gallagher Insurance ‘ Cubs fixtures NJL 2023 season.

    Home fixtures.

    Newcastle challlange 24/3/23  RESULT: Redcar 22 Sapphires 14

    Berwick 9/6/23

    West Lothian 16/6/23

    Glasgow 4/8/23

    Armadale 11/8/23

    Workington 18/8/23

     

    AWAY fixtures.

    Berwick 3/6/23

    West Lothian 23/6/23

    Glasgow 19 or 26/5/23

    Armadale 14/7/23

    Workington 24/6/23

  18. Posted

    1 hour ago, JamesHarris said:

    Correct. This has worked for the NJL and I have no argument against that. But this is the very same reason the MDL was created. The riders will not benefit if they are racing against the same 3 other riders in consecutive races. The result will more or less be the same and the crowd that have stayed behind to watch will soon get bored. The MDL provided a proper competition for those just below the NL. It was designed to be a mini-meeting with each team having 2 NL reserve standard riders and 2 Scunthorpe amateur open class riders. The highlight would be heat 6 where all 4 NL reserve riders raced against each other. Prior to the MDL most tracks just operated a few races billed as stars of tomorrow which were a dull affair comprising of the same 4 riders.  

    Sorry but can’t agree with your thought process. What will a rider learn from riding against a different rider once ? If he gets to ride against a slightly quicker rider twice or more he can possibly learn his line etc but that’s all a matter of opinion I suppose.

    the NJL has used this format for several years now and has flourished, the MDL has finished so that suggests something.

    The crowds that stop back and watch the NJL meetings have always stopped to the end without being ‘bored’, indeed they often comment how improved a junior might be in his third ride against a better rider than his first ride , but I guess MDL crowds must be different ?

    I do hope someone gets the MDL back , in whatever state, preferably to include 125 riders but it needs riders willing to do it and others willing to run it. The riders are there, 50% of the 125 riders in the NJL reside in the midlands and the south, we have NJL 500’s riding at Wolverhampton , Birmingham and Belle Vue  so they are willing to travel for rides.

     

  19. Posted

    12 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

    Thats the 3rd time yesterday i missed a single word out of something and completely changed the outlook. Home teams paid no no fees whereas ghost teams paid hefty entry fees. It’s certainly easy to argue that the 125cc concept whilst less interesting as a spectacle (in my opinion) does generate a natural progression pathway. The NJL also benefits from more weekend based race nights which is more suited for travelling and the MDL has lost the majority of tracks that ran on those nights or the teams that do/did run weekends have become disillusioned with it. 

    Can’t agree with your opinion on 125’s , but that’s your opinion,  they can produce fantastic racing on a good track, they are the future. As for  reasons for the MDL not running, they refused to adapt to 125’s, look what’s happened !

    If you really want to something to happen, you commit to it and make it happen, the NJL has !

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  20. Posted

    11 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

    They haven't exactly helped. Fee's for volunteers went up drastically, fees to enter teams were driven up, board members wanted nothing to do with the leagues and then ghost teams were driven out. Yes the chances of getting these teams back was slim but there were pockets of dedicated fans who attended meetings up and down the country just to watch the 2nd half. 

    If the board have been supportive of the NJL then that is fantastic and its great that the league is currently flourishing (certainly better race nights and a progressive format helps) sadly though i don't see any way back for the MDL.

    Again…,read my post slowly. I said the BSPA , as was, have done NOTHING to help the NJL in 13 years but it still runs.

    There are no fees to pay for junior teams , no fees for volunteers , never have been as Ive run teams since the mid 80’s and still doing it now, our only cost is race jackets.

    The MDL should have embraced the 125cc concept , the midlands is full of them but they travel ‘up north’ to get rides , then the MDL may have survived.

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  21. Posted

    6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

    In the early years of the MDL it was a genuine competitive breeding ground for emerging riders and a genuine route to get noticed by NL promotions and gain opportunities as guests etc. However as the numbers fell so did the interest and there were much fewer graduates through the development league (and those that did were already on the radar anyways). 

    At one point teams were well spread throughout the country so a good distribution of teams and riders and variety of tracks to race at provided motivation as lets face it the prospect of 3-4 hours travel at a riders expense on the hope that maybe they would get 20mins at the end of a meeting to hurriedly get 6 heats done was never an incentive.

    The league has been on a slide for a good few years and the ghost teams ban drove the last few passionate volunteers away. Its a credit to all those who got it off the ground and have continued to breath some life into it as long as they have as there has never been any backing/support from the BSPL and the steady demise can sit firmly at their self interest/no interest door.

    Why blame the BSPL ? They have done nothing to support the NJL for 13 years and it’s still running so it’s not their fault that others gave up.

  23. Posted

    1 hour ago, dukes said:

    How out of touch can people on here be?

    Scunthorpe offers opportunities to all by supplying Bikes, Body Armour, Kevlars, Moto Cross Gear, Helmets, Gloves, Goggles,  Boots and Helmets.

    Together with a great tutor for a superb experience.

    AMSA, Ride and Skid It and My First Skid are a few more who also offer great opportunities for new riders.

    Instead of criticising, why not understand what's out their and promote it and then more will know what's on offer

    Try reading my post again. I have said there are opportunities out there, particularly at the northern tracks who run NJL etc but they are limited. Outside of those , most tracks don’t bother with second half racing, the Premiership junior league never even got started but yes, there is AMSA and the Carter school but what are the rest of the tracks doing ?

     

  24. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    1 hour ago, *JJ said:

    Yes, it is true; bitter experience.

    You have a short memory. Your ‘protege’ was offered rides at a northern track when you were complaining then of a lack of opportunities, you turned it down as it was too far to travel. That was when there was several teams in the MDL as he rode for most of them at least once, so plenty of rides being offered then.

    There was opportunities then and there still is now, Birmingham are crying out for riders to join the MDL !

    The riders have simply disappeared, retired as they were never going to ‘ make it ‘, given up, got too old or too skint or simply had enough and have not been replaced by new novices for reasons stated before.

     

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  25. Posted · Edited by Fortythirtyeight

    40 minutes ago, Binman said:

    Chicken and egg

    Covid meant that no newbies got on a speedway bike, the current issues are due to lack of investment in providing any sort of opportunities for people to try speedway without committing to purchasing a bike and everything else and now we are seeing the results of this, a lack of riders and a lack of opportunities. How many tracks have second half racing outside of the NJL and Birmingham ?

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