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  1. Posted

    11 hours ago, ThinBlueWitch said:

    NSS is a lovely set up and a nice track which has been great for British Speedway. But it’s a typical soulless modern GP style track. More overtaking on the straights then in the bend and is entirely reliant on who has the best equipment and set up. 
     

    understandably set up for their top riders who are track specialists to dominate 

    I know gate ‘n’ go has gained in popularity over the decades to the point now where it’s the preferred way to present the sport in the UK but I never thought in all my years on this crazy forum I’d hear someone complaining about overtaking at a meeting. This is the zenith of this forum and demonstrates how out of touch I am with this sport now. 

  5. Posted

    13 hours ago, mikebv said:

    Bless....:D

    Its the NDL mate..

    Maybe these lads get their expenses covered at best...

    And I cannot see the Aces making too much out of it, in fact, probably subsidising it..

    But, it may deliver several Championship level reserves and SS's over the next few years, and maybe even some of a standard higher..

    Personally, couldn't give a monkeys about any of the leagues given the way they are ran, but Speedway is still a good night out, especially at the NSS..

    He’s another troll. Had me as well. 

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  6. Posted

    10 minutes ago, secsy1 said:

    It is far too easy for most posters to iron over the problems and make excuses instead of addressing them.

    Or even asking what a problem is when they already know the answer

    Surely after the down pour it would have been advisable to scrape the top off and tyre pack the track from the start.

    No messing around or problems and as long as the announcer tells everyone what is going on they can understand and appreciate the problem.

    It was a poor advert for speedway and anyone new visiting speedway for the first time would be put off.

    A dying sport and this is partially the reason why and with fans up their own backsides defending mediocrity how can it survive.

    I am done with Belle Vue Speedway after many years as a visiting fan, never again.

    Sorry to hear that. Just out of interest where do you watch your speedway most often as we could take a look and try and emulate them. 
     

    It’s was announced many times what was going on during the interviews with the lads. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 

  7. Posted · Edited by ouch

    2 hours ago, secsy1 said:

    If you do not know what was the problem with the start marshals then maybe speedway is not for you.

    Speedway does have rules and if the fools officiating are not aware of them they should not be in the position to officiate.

    The start marshal shall raise a red flag when the red lights come on.

    Riders disqualified under the 2 minute rule are eligible to be re instated going off 15 metres, not from the tapes.

    Pity that the clerk of the course had to come out of the pits to instruct them what to do.

    Even last year 3 lap and 5 lap races.

    Criticism is constructive if it is listened to and observed.

    This was a perfect opportunity for riders to learn, but instead decided by most to be throttle jockeys with the consequences. 

    Credit to the riders who actually tried in difficult circumstances, but others need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves do I really want to do this!  

    One rider from each side was guilty of exceeding the time allowance. One rider was informed by his team manager that he was to go off 15m and he duly arrived at the start using the 15m marker set out by the marshals. 

    One rider was not informed by his manager and he incorrectly arrived at tapes to start the race. The marshals & ref didn’t know if this was the original rider or a reserve replacement as the manager hadn’t let anyone know how his team was to be formulated for this heat, indeed this was announced over the PA system. There was then a delay whilst confirmation was sort from the manager and once this was established the rider was shown to his starting position by the start marshals. Not really an issue on a sunny afternoon but I can see how the managers  actions could cause dissatisfaction from some of the crowd. I’m sure he will learn from it. 

    Well done to the riders for provided some great entertainment and the track staff and promotion for provided track time for these future league riders when so few don’t invest in the future of the sport. 

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  8. Posted

    12 hours ago, secsy1 said:

    Had the most unfortunate experience of going to this meeting today and what a total waste of time.

    Firstly I would like to know if the start marshalls have any form of training or have to attend any form of seminar. Do they have to understand the rules?

    A pre start shower definitely affected the track and rider performances but how can you try to explain to a group of 7 newbies about tractor racing for 20 minutes.

    Total farce of a meeting and Belle Vue should be ashamed of how they dealt with such a farce.

    Credit to the riders who actually tried in difficult circumstances, but others need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves do I really want to do this! 

    By way of explanation to the 7 newbies. 

    A pre start shower definitely affected the track and rider performance so it was decided to spend 20 minutes making the track safer for the young lads taking part who were getting into difficulty. Rider safety is paramount. The interval was dispensed with and the whole meeting was completed in under two hours. 

    If less than two hours is “a complete waste of time” then maybe speedway isn’t for you. 

    With regards the start marshals can you be more specific with regards any perceived issues?

  12. Posted

    41 minutes ago, Dickie Head said:

    I thought riders had to have had at least one official team meeting in the season to be entitled to a guest or R/R. Mr Doyle hasn’t. Please clarify for me. Thanks.

    You are correct, not that it matters.

    010.5 FACILITIES
    No facility is permitted to replace a rider, who although included in a re-
    declaration has not made an appearance for that team since being re-
    declared.

  13. Posted

    Aces were sharp out of the gate in the two fixtures last season so I’m hopeful they can keep it going to get the win. Tbh I’d be happy with a loss if we get more than 1 race per meeting as was the case last year. You’ll think me daft but I’d rather see an Aces loss after a rip roaring meeting than a gate ‘n’ go win. Hope all stay safe. 

  20. Posted

    18 hours ago, topaz325 said:

    Nothing against the posters but when ever i read "Rule 1.9.004 guest assessed average under 4.9988 if in a KOC cup meeting but not a League meeting......"

     

    I scroll past. 

    To be honest, I think that’s the feeling of most of the current fans that we have left now and the promoters also. The sport has less credibility than WWF or monster trucks and has become a bank holiday treat rather than a regularly attended event resulting in crowds no longer at a sustainable level. It’s a great shame for many clubs and fans, but it is what it is and it’s not going to change, I’ll continue to enjoy the racing at the National Speedway Stadium at whatever level it is, but I do feel for those who no longer have a team in this once great sport to follow. 

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  21. Posted

    2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

    For what it's worth, I can't see anything in the Green Sheets that says his previous MA is not applicable?  Even so, it does say his average is assessed.

    However, as I stated earlier, the BSPL has decided that Lambert does have an Established MA - the one he achieved in 2019.   Anyway, the BSPA argument is that although 012.4.2 Guest Rider says "c) the guest must be in a current team declaration and have an established MA” it does not say he can't have an assessed average.  Again, as I stated earlier, I haven't checked if anyone else with a * next to their name has been used as a guest.

    His previous MA was 7.61. That is now not applicable and he is using the 7.81 that the powers that be clearly state is an assessed average. 

    He had an established average, he no longer does as he is operating under his 7.81 assessed average as given to him by the powers that be. 

    No assessed rider has guested before and I’ve already provided details of when a rider was stopped from guesting “because of the assessed average”.

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  22. Posted

    In July 2015 Bradley Wilson Dean had an established NL match average but was given an assessed average for racing in the PL. He was blocked from guesting for Rye House as his assessed average took precedence over his established average. 

    In September 2023 Robert Lambert had an established PL match average but was given an assessed average for racing in the PL. He was allowed to guest for Sheffield as his established average took precedence over his assessed average. 

    http://www.ryehouse-speedway.com/news.php?extend.1046

    http://www.speedwaygbarchive.co.uk/files/downloads/nl15_issue_9a.pdf

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  23. Posted · Edited by ouch

    For what it’s worth…….

    From 2023 rule book 

    “010.2.1

    A Premiership Assessed League rider will establish an MA after completing 3 home and 3 away qualifying fixtures”.

    If Robert was deemed to have and established average he would have had a new average calculated on a rolling basis. Due to him being assessed he had to wait for 3 home & 3 away. 

    “010.2.3 AmendedMA’s

    With the approval of the BSP LTD GC or Directors for: -

    a) riders who have been absent from British Speedway racing for more than 3 seasons (The MA may be increased or decreased)”

    Robert’s average was reassessed from that declared last year. 7.61 up to 7.81. 

    “012.4.2 Guest Rider (G)

    c) the guest must be in a current team declaration and have an established MA”.

    Robert doesn’t have an established MA as his 2022 figure has been reassessed and he has already been treated as an assessed rider with him having to wait for 3 home & 3 away to get an established average. 
     

    2023 Premiership League TEAM DECLARATIONS and GREEN SHEETS Issue 32 states that Robert’s previously established average is no longer applicable due to being older than the previous 2 seasons and it is therefore assessed and cannot change until he has completed 3 home & 3 away meetings. 

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  24. Posted

    18 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

    I will never disagree with any of the interpretation and general hot air surrounding what happened, but the point is that the Regulation existed, so it was used (and not just by BV).

    There have been other examples of stupid Regulations in Play-Off history which have resulted in either removal of said Regulations, or re-writing/re-interpretation, e.g. Tactical Joker, and eventually T/S, and of course the use of one guest - which is still sufficiently vague to cause dispute.

    They never learn.

    The rule first appeared in the 2020 rule book but of course that season didn’t go ahead. 

    Excerpt from the 2022 rule book. 

    012.2

    A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury.

    Peterborough played by the rule prior to 25% citing proven long term injury. 

    Belle Vue played by the rule after 75% citing proven long term injury. 

    Sheffield used the rule making more than 3 changes citing proven long term injury. 

     

     

  25. Posted

    19 minutes ago, Crazy robin said:

    Not read through all the posts so might be posting what others already have but how Mark Lemon can say they’ve been unlucky with injuries in the play offs compared to the other teams is ridiculous.

    Sheffield have lost their best 2 riders & Ipswich have lost Doyley who is irreplaceable.

    Yes The Aces have lost Charles & might be without Blodorn but they are not unlucky as Lemon put it.

    To be fair to Mark the article was published on Sunday but Hayley spoke to him the day before and before the GP where Jason was injured. It was also before Tobiasz was injured on Sunday. I also think he was referring to the fact it’s been five times out of the last six that we’ve been hit by play off injury woes. 

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