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  1. Posted · Edited by ouch

    13 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

    In the interests of the sport, Sheffield will surely be allowed to sign /use /loan/borrow whoever they like …….Bartosz Smarslik would be a good crowd puller …. Belle Vue threaded a needle through the rule book last year so there is precedent which counts for a lot English/ Welsh law. 
    If they need any help I am certain Ford and Middleditch will be able to help them. :-0

    I agree Zmazlik would have been a great replacement and had we stuck with the rules that we rode to last year, that would have been allowed. Unfortunately for us few long suffering fans, they re wrote the rules so it’s a no go this year. 
    I also agree with you that their cartel mates could come to their aid and we’ll see this seasons rules broken again. 

  2. Posted · Edited by ouch

    12 hours ago, The Third Man said:

    Just use Lambert as a guest in the play offs

    Or sign another GP rider, I am sure BV won't want us to use a guest in the play offs

     

    I don’t want you to use guests in the play offs as I’ve always thought it a stupid rule to stop a team finding an adequate full time replacement at their time of need. I’m not a fan of guests even if it rubs folk on here up the wrong way. 

    At home you can use Max Fricke which makes tou a bit stronger but you couldn’t use Max away as he is too good to allow it, similarly with Emil & Jason should Ipswich not qualify for the play offs. 

    Lambert cannot guest and I doubt Artem would take the booking though Bates would  bankrupt the club if it got him some tin. 

    You’ll probably have to go with R/R but this can be tricky as demonstrated when Belle Vue lost out on a sure fire win in 2021. 
    Edit: Max’s new average means he can guest home & away for Tai if the Lions don’t make it. Like for like so nothing lost for the Tigers. 

  3. Posted

    17 minutes ago, Supersub said:

    Don’t think Jack will be riding in Premier again this season. What will Sheffield do now as it looks as if Tai will be out for a while

    Tai has changed from being a 28 day facility rider to a full time team member. His 28 day period ended  last Wednesday 30th. Due to this and the ridiculous decision to revert to a ruling whereby you cannot sign a new team member as injury cover at play off time, it’s now down to guests or rider replacement. 

  5. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

    The 39.00 limit only applies for initial team building. For subsequent changes, weaker teams can build up to 39.00, while re-declarations for stronger teams must be lower than their existing total.

    012.2 TEAM COMPOSITION
    A Premiership team’s initial declaration must not exceed 39.00 points for the top 6 riders. Rising Star riders will be declared at number 7.
    A Premiership teams declaration must not exceed 39.00 points in any declaration following the issue of established MA’s for 2023 for 6 riders, (excluding the Rising Star rider). Except where the MA of the introduced rider is equal to, or lower than the rider being replaced.

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  6. Posted

    20 minutes ago, stu219 said:

    What an f ing joke speedway in This country has become. I love watching on a Thursday at Ipswich but even I am now totally pissed of that teams can just change at any point. Take a leaf out of the football rules for Christ sakes  and limit when signings can be made. The whole sport has become an absolute joke now and no one in charge seems to give a damn!

     

    There was a perfectly good rule but Jim Lawrence and his cartel cronies got rid of it. It allowed teams to sign a full time team member in place of an injured rider thus meaning teams didn’t need to rely on guests during our showpiece event when the media is watching. It also stopped the ridiculous situation where clubs could have 13 different team members during the season. Dumb just doesn’t cover it. 

    012.2 TEAM COMPOSITION

    A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury.

  7. Posted

    1 hour ago, IronScorpion said:

    Someone, a few pages ago pointed out the numbers game but has not been followed through. Pre 1/9 you are over the limit & signing C Holder @ 7.16 & Vissing @ 4.16 converted(total 11.32) to replace Ellis @ 6.00 & Kerr @ 5.73 still puts you over at 39.05. It is then the signing of Tai @ 7.03 for Jack @ 8.91, who says he can not commit if not 100% & not let them down, which has allowed the 3 changes & go under the limit. 

    010.2.3 AmendedMA’s

    With the approval of the BSP LTD GC or Directors for: -

    a) riders who have been absent from British Speedway racing for more than 3 seasons (The MA may be increased or decreased)

    BSP LTD = Cartel. Holders average will be re assessed down to 7.11 (at most) if the move goes ahead. 

     

  8. Posted

    1 hour ago, Col said:


    Your second statement is quite harsh on Belle Vue.  Brennan & Boldorn retained when it was obvious the two of them couldn't stay at reserve all season unlike last season.
     

    We weren’t allowed to keep them at reserve as we were compelled to sign another RS after Tom was banned from the scheme. Wolves and Belle Vue have used a similar amount of riders over the last five seasons and this puts them separate from the rest of the league in terms of loyalty. There’s 3 ex Colts in the Acea lineup which is in itself quite extraordinary. 

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  11. Posted

    20 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

     

    Correct, but I think it's 7 days. Although it doesn't actually say that anywhere on the the 2023 regulations. What a shock :lol:

    Even so, he can't guest until next week

    I thought the 1st of the month rule would apply as when mentioning assessed riders lower down it states 3 home and 3 away without mentioning a time period for it to come into force. Ambiguous. 
    Anyway it seems to be 10 days after as both Emil & Artem received averages on a new declaration 10 days after their 3rd home or away meeting. 
    Working on that assumption Vadim will get a new average on the 31st. 
    Be interesting to see if they are consistent. 

  12. Posted

    11 minutes ago, tellboy said:

    I actually agree with a proper post from yourself for a change.I thought it is 3h and 3a now to gain an average.If he does guest though it would have to be for Klindt.Or Lynn could have Cook for Jorgensen

    010.2.1 EstablishedMA’

    Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings from the past 2 seasons, up to and including 23rd of the month, to become effective from the 1st of the following month.

    He only completed his third meeting last night and needs to wait until the 1st of September for it to come into force. 

  13. Posted

    All this talk on the Bates threads about who to kick out as they chase their shiny cups. Bates’ win at all costs mentality came out during last years play offs, trying to circumvent the rule book, so I guess it’s rubbed off on his fans unfortunately. 

    Not including injuries The Aces have made 2 -3 changes to the bottom end of the team over the last 5 years. 
    I prefer that as fans can identify with their speedway family but that’s just my opinion and it’s ok for you all to favour the hire ‘n’ fire approach. 

  14. Posted

    4 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

    Can't remember that to be honest.

    2018 rule book

    16.2.4 Riders new to SGB Premiership & Championship League racing are categorised as follows:
    Cat 1 & 2 Any rider riding in a professional league in the previous or current season will be assessed on a “Grading List. Based upon results obtained in all other Professional Speedway Leagues and given an Assessed MA accordingly.
    Cat 3: Riders who are eligible to ride in the National Development League.
    16.2.5 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the SGB Premiership & Championship League racing is:
    Cat 1 as per the grading List
    Cat 2 as per grading list
    Cat 3 2.00

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  19. Posted

    40 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

    Cooks average is his 2023 Champ ave converted, but will become a rolling ave in September!

    Craig Cook had a 2022 PL average 5.05 which wasn’t used when signing for Leicester. He used his Championship average 8.94 divided by 1.5 = 5.96

    Ben Barker had a 2022 PL average 4.42 which was used when signing for Ipswich. His Championship average 7.80 divided by 1.5 = 5.20 wasn’t used. 

    This has happened with other riders like Simon Lambert and Drew Kemp. It’s fair to say there is zero consistency in the application of the rules. 

    The decision on whether an average is deemed assessed seem completely arbitrary. 

  21. Posted

    Looking at the latest green sheets Robert is down as an assessed average rider, marked by a *. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/p23_issue_26.pdf

    Rule 010.2 states

    “ A Premiership Assessed League rider will establish an MA after completing 3 home and 3 away qualifying fixtures”.

    Kings Lynn only have 2 home fixtures left so if we follow the rule book then he will not get a new average and remain assessed. 

    He therefore cannot guest due to the rule book 

    012.4.2 Guest Rider (G)

    “c) the guest must be in a current team declaration and have an established MA”.

    I thought Robert would come back and have his average just roll but it seems that’s not the case. 
     

    http://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.10304

     

  22. Posted

    1 hour ago, The Third Man said:

    Was the cup not a challenge

    Apology accepted 

    No problem. I thought it might be a league meeting that had a bearing on the play off qualification that you were referring to. 
    I’m happy to acknowledge when a misunderstanding has taken place. 
    Good luck in the play offs but not too much should we meet again. 

     

  23. Posted

    1 hour ago, mikebv said:

    The reaction will be...

    "That's perfectly acceptable because it is within the rules"..

    "Unlike last year, when, it was, errrrrrr, also within the rules"...

    "But I didn't like it"...

    " Dribble, Dribble"..

    An unnatached rider coming in? Not Acceptable

    A rider coming in who has already been knocked out of the competition his scoring has influenced? Perfectly Acceptable..

    :D

    The rules have been changed from last year meaning you cannot sign a full team member and HAVE to rely on guests. The cartel wants a crazy situation where Belle Vue if hit badly by injuries could have Peterborough step in. 

    1 Chris Harris

    2 R/R

    3 Ben Basso

    4 Ben Cook

    5 Niels Kristian Iversen

    6 Simon Lambert

    7 Jack Smith

    Any organisation that legislates for that is nuts especially when you consider The Aces could put out a fully contracted team, off the top of my head of

    1 Zmarzlik 

    2 Berge 

    3 Zagar

    4 Etheridge

    5 Tungate

    6 Bellego

    7 Mulford (if fit by then)

    The people running (ruining) this sport and BSF that back them are crazy.  

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  25. Posted

    12 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

    Think you will find we lost to wolves last season, so happens every season

    This was a discussion about The League. I wasn’t interested in challenges etc. I can see where your misunderstanding came from now. The Aces lost away at 2nd division Poole earlier this season. 

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