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  1. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Grachan said:

    I thought we'd already ascertained that, under the old system, you could also go through an entire season without winning a race and still end up World Champion. But it never happened then and won't happen now either.

    You need to sit down and work that out yourself, you needed to win a race under the old system. Come back I tell me I was right when you try it 

  2. Posted

    6 minutes ago, moxey63 said:

    A lot of the lure for speedway is not the racing but the characters I suppose speedway having lack of characters has followed the other sports which speedway fans used to find boring and sanitised. I suppose the interesting thing with Tai is when he gets a new tattoo.

    The GPs have got stale, repetitive, not helped by the fact you don't need to win to be champion. It encourages bland boring riders, so Woffinden is top bore 

  4. Posted

    44 pages and still no reason to class Woffinden as the best ever. To come on here and be critical about past riders achievements doesn't prove that he is the best.

    He rides for the team that controls 25% of the GP line up, why shouldn't he win.

    I still find him boring and nothing in the last 44 pages would encourage me to cross the road to watch him

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  5. Posted

    7 hours ago, tigerowl said:

    No consensus from the promoters about how to move forward. 

    Mediocre riders already putting out quotes about wanting to ride for more than one team to enable them to be full-time riders, performing in front of crowds of 500-700 people.

    Fans not listened to.

    No one in charge.

    Complete joke of a sport at the moment.

    But paying fans still keep going, as long as they do nothing will change.

    The AGM with throw up the usual minor changes, some rules will be amended to stop certain promoters, others will be dropped to help the old boys club.

    Then on to March, as long as people pay, they got it right again.

  7. Posted

    5 minutes ago, iainb said:

    Could it? I can't be bothered to do the maths tbh, but I agree I think it could... But just as unlikely as it is today for somebody to win the championship without winning a GP round as has only been done once in nearly 25 years when there were only 6 rounds

    The GP championship can be won with out winning a single race 70 races x2 pts is 140 pts Woffindens total this year 139 pts

  8. Posted

    4 minutes ago, iainb said:

    And of those finals, how many could still have won it after 8 heats? And another question for you while you're researching... Would it have been possible to have won a World Final with 5 seconds equaling 10pts?

    I don't have the stats for the first question, sorry.

    You couldn't win a one off final on 10 points with out winning a run off. So under the old system you needed to win a race unlike the GPs 

  9. Posted

    1951 Jack Young 12 points

    55  Peter Craven 13 pts

    56 Ove Fundin 13 pts

    72 Ivan May get 13 pts

    73 Jerzy Szczakiel 13 pts

    78 Ole Olsen 13 pts

    85 Erik Gundersen 13 pts

    90 Per Jonsson 13 pts

    93 Sam Ermolenko 12 pts

    94 Tony Rickardsson 12 pts

    28 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

    It would be interesting if someone was able to provide stats on that

     

     

  12. Posted

    1 minute ago, Grachan said:

    Fortunate because the person who would have won failed to win because of an engine failure or whatever. Consequently, it must, therefore, mean that the person who did win only managed to win due to someone else's bad luck. Without that bad luck they wouldn't have won.

    Pretty self-explanatory really.

    And the exact same scenario could occur within a Grand Prix. A single engine failure could, for example, prevent a rider reaching a semi-final while their main rival wins an extra race, plus a semi, plus a final. So one engine failure could lose you 9 points instead of just 3.

    Both systems require the same amount of dedication and skill. I don't get why people try to undermine the Grand Prix system just because they think it's not the same as in the good old days of upright engines and monkey masks. It's just as good a system and gives an equally valid World Champion.

    When you have a world championship which can be won without winning a race ( second is good enough) it will always have it's detractors.

    The fact that to qualify for the system, you use a 5 ride meeting which requires a totally different approach (win at all cost) makes it all seem a total farce.

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  16. Posted

    49 minutes ago, waiheke1 said:

    Well at the start of the year Doyle as reigning champ, Zmarzlik, Lindgren who started the season on fire, Emil. 

    So Woffinden had 3 serious rivals one possible rival, ten chances instead of one, the backing of three team mates and when he wins he is the best ever.

    How stupid am I, to not understand how great a rider he is, in fact the best ever hahaha

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  17. Posted

    17 minutes ago, waiheke1 said:

    Sorry. I thought we had concluded that for most world finals in the 80s there were only 2 Or 3 riders with a chance of winning, and less if it were a gp.

    I gave u 5 for this year. Where i come from, 5 Is more than 3.

    You put 3 and Emil as an after thought, after two GPs it was obvious Doyle wasn't a threat

  18. Posted

    1 minute ago, iainb said:

    At the beginning of the year based on early performances and last year and known quality of riders of have said (in no particular order) Zmarzlik, Dudek, Janowski, Doyle, Hancock & Lindgren, of course they all fell away for one reason or another over the course of the season but I wouldn't have been surprised if any of these had claimed top spot

    You can eliminate Dudek and Hancock as they are team monster riders

  21. Posted

    21 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

    OK but it seems to be that fixed race nights in UK is not working and is causing some clubs a drop in attendance and financial problems, so do not know where GB goes from here unless the top level drops and GB becomes a feeder for the likes of Poland, Sweden and Denmark and the GP series. 

    You can add Germany to that list according to a previous poster

  22. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Midland Red said:

    Quite clearly your opinions are totally correct and there is no need for me or anyone else to have any different opinions

    I thank you for your educating me in this matter, and I look forward to digesting your opinions on further subjects

    What I would say is I'm glad I watched speedway when I did from 1967, there is little to excite anyone now in the sport. The Word Champion rides at my home club next season, another reason not to go. 

    30 pages and I still wouldnt cross the road to watch him.

  23. Posted

    2 hours ago, Danny Connor said:

    If there is a huge change I.e 1 diluted league then why would he. If it’s the current 3 league structure I see it more likely for the likes of him iversen Doyle and the odd other (not many) wanting to ride over here. 

     

    If he gets too busy drop Denmark 1st, Germany 2nd. They are the weakest leagues. Then he will have 3 leagues plus individuals. Putting Denmark and Germany before Britain is a bit far. . . For now 

    Has Polish Ekstraliga dropped its three league ruling, with Robert Lambert already signed in Sweden and Poland, he can only choose the UK or Germany as his home league if the rule is still in place.

  24. Posted

    2 minutes ago, iris123 said:

    Is this down t American intelligence I wonder?After all in the UK speedway thrived for about 40 years when most had black leathers.Did the introduction of personal leathers mark the start of the downfall of the sport?We ended up having a group of individual riders,rather than a team.........

    I was watching the 82 world final, they had right arm covers to match helmet  colours at the meeting. It was in the era when colours came off quite regularly.

    I wonder what today's riders would do, organisers covering their sponsors logos, mass walkout 

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