Lioness 1,455 Posted November 23, 2003 In effect all that is doing is changing the team make up from three heat leaders, two second string and two reserves to re-classify it as two heat leaders, three second string and two reserves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lioness 1,455 Posted November 23, 2003 Okay I am still going on about this grading thing. It makes a lot of assumptions but....... Assumptions Made:- Peters grades above are taken as accurate The limit is 19 points with the points being 6,5,4,3,2,1 Steve Turners final EL averages of all riders riding in the EL last year are used 10 team EL To build a team within the limit you can only have ONE rider from EITHER of the top two grades. There are 15 riders in the top 2 grades therefore we have 5 fewer riders in the EL with averages above 8.33 In band 3, you can again only have one rider. from last years list there are 12 in this band and therefore we loose another 2 riders Moving on to band 4, we have 16 riders and a loss of another 6 Band 5 takes us down to the 'poorer' EL riders-no disrespect intended. There are 23 riders from last year in this band. Now assuming the band 1 riders are all preferred over band 2 in the first part of this, eight teams can have 2 riders from this catagory with two only being able to choose one. We therefore need a maximum of 18 riders in this catagory therefore we still have to loose 5 riders in this grade. Finally band six. Bear in mind that a lot of riders falling in this catagory last year would only have ridden once or twice and may have been a desperate 'make up the numbers' job. There are 18 riders from last year in this category. We need an absolute minimum of 22 therefore at last we have a shortfall-of 4 All this only takes into account basic 1-7, not even starting to think of 'squad' riders. The definition of dilute in the dictionary is 'reduce in strength' If these assumptions are anywhere near accurate, then EL fans may like to take this into account. This has to be the biggest case of pulling the wool over the punters eyes they have come up with yet. Are we being fooled? What do you reckon.... And before any PL fans try putting a smug look on their face where do you think the shortfall is going to be made up from for the lower average riders? I doubt if the 5 out of work riders with averages low enough to drop down will compensate for loosing some of the PL heat leaders. Okay this is perhaps in simplistic terms. But often you have to look at things that way to get a handle on just what is being attempted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter 0 Posted November 23, 2003 choosing 1 from each grade and 2 from grade six would give a grading total of 6+5+4+3+2+1+1 = 22 They're supposed to be setting a limit at 19. So your team is way too strong even thoough you've already included 2 x 3.00 grade riders! Whether it's 19 or not, you know exactly what I'm trying to say, Speedy-Star, ... there can be a big difference in the total averages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevH 257 Posted November 23, 2003 Some extremely well thought out and equally worrying statistics there Lioness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lanzilla 0 Posted November 23, 2003 Cracking bit of analysis there Lioness and as you rightly say 'Dilute' is the operative word. 10 from 15 from band A/B is tough on the big name riders who lose out on a team place next season. What concerns me most is what quality of teams will we have in the Elite League next season when we have the next highest averaged rider in the team being under an 8 point average? Looking at it from a business point of view i can see that the new rules will help clubs cut costs slightly and hopefully there should be a better balance throughout the League.Matches should be a bit closer which makes for better Sky coverage. I thought they had scrapped the BLC ,but i think it will live on in the Elite League next season as quite a few heats will be of a similar standard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevH 257 Posted November 23, 2003 10 from 15 from band A/B is tough on the big name riders who lose out on a team place next season. Maybe they could end up at PL tracks, thus making a move up in 2005 far easier? Just a thought Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 23, 2003 You can only have 1 ridr form the top 2 groups, you can however have as many as you like form the rest. So you can have 6 rider worth 2 and one rider worth 6 if you like and keep an extra point. Or you can have one 5 point rider, 2 3 point riders and 4 2 point riders. The wya I see it, if you can only have one 5 or 6 poitn rider, you have so many points left and there are limited 3 pointers that nobody will want 1 point riders. There for making it a league with every team having na out and out star and then 6 very similar (grade 2 and 3) riders. So riders like Wato will not want to ride in the EL as he'll be a number 7 and will sturggle to score against these strength in depth teams. IMO theyhave made it harder for youngsters to move up into the EL. Well Done the BSPA!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philfromcov 326 Posted November 24, 2003 Ok, the realities the, present squad hamill 5 janirro 4 Richardson 5 Robson 3 jonsson 5 fisher 2 Bunyan 1 equals 25 lose 6 points (ok not saying this is going to happen!) best possible squad Jonsson 5 Fisher 2 Stead 3 Robson 3 Janirro 4 Bunyan 1 Risager 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philfromcov 326 Posted November 24, 2003 on another point, if you have three riders with a grade of 2 does this mean you could choose which rider takes the reserve berth? or will underneath all these grades, averages still take precendent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_clubs 0 Posted November 24, 2003 lose 6 points (ok not saying this is going to happen!) best possible squad Jonsson 5 Fisher 2 Stead 3 Robson 3 Janirro 4 Bunyan 1 Risager 1 Wouldn't Risager be a 2 pointer? (4.50 ave seems to equate to grade E = 2 points) Still at least you got a good run at the 2003 title to build up your massively overstrong side. Here at Belle Vue our all conquering 2003 side leaves us with a too strong heat leader trio of Crump (6 points), Lyons (4) and Screen (4) which breaks the 13 point limit on heat leaders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_clubs 0 Posted November 24, 2003 on another point, if you have three riders with a grade of 2 does this mean you could choose which rider takes the reserve berth? or will underneath all these grades, averages still take precendent? We'll get back to you on that one once Terry Russell and Poole have built all their teams and decided which is most advantageous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philfromcov 326 Posted November 24, 2003 is there also a maximum of 13 points for heat leaders then? i havent heared that one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_clubs 0 Posted November 24, 2003 is there also a maximum of 13 points for heat leaders then? i havent heared that one? Yep. According to Tim Stone at Newport's meeting yesterday. But don't worry, your mighty powerful trio of Andreas Jonsson, Billy Janniro and Simon Stead complies with the limit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philfromcov 326 Posted November 24, 2003 next answer please... if you ar in the PL with an average of 6.99, you are rated grade 3 if you move up to the EL do you become grade 1.5? or grade 1? if the answer is the later you could get rusty harrison as a grade 1 rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_clubs 0 Posted November 24, 2003 next answer please... if you are in the PL with an average of 6.99, you are rated grade 3 stop there! There is no silly grading in the PL. So if you are 6.99 in PL, then you are 6.99. No silly grading and you build your team to 45 points.....what a wonderfully simple revolutionary idea!! So to come into the EL 6.99 divided by 2 = 3.50 Under the top secret leaked copy of the grading system that would make you a 1 point Grade F rider. 6.99 seems quite a good PL average to move up on. Not as good as the optimum 8.64, but infinitely better than the poor sod on 8.66 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
