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I can't agree on that. I see no more question marks over Kennett, Morley, Lykke & Heeps than there are over Lawson, Summers, Barker & Ayres. What I do accept is that the ifs over some riders are greater than those over others.

Much improved last season (at least based upon the occasions I saw him, anyway). There are better choices out there but there are worse ones as well.

Isn't that the case with most teams ? Hull 2004 springs to mind.

That's opinion, and whether a rider is eligible to ride in the NL is not determined by opinion but by SCB regulations. NL rules allow those with patriality to ride in that league. It mentions nothing about future intentions, past records or anything else. Wilson-Dean has patriality, so he was eligible to take his place in the Eastbourne side. By reference to further regulations he should go into the PL on a 3.00 average so, as has been accurately stated, he's been screwed by the BSPA.

We agree again I certainly think its a better team than some are making out. Kennett is one of the top riders in the league, Lykke has come on a bundle, Morley will be one of the top 3.00 riders and Heeps has a good record at Rye House and a move away from Ipswich should do him good. Robson is better than 6.5 - I thought that Redcar's track last season just didn't suit him. The reserve pairing will score points everywhere. The two doubts are Lanham and Klindt. Lanham was rubbish at Sheffield in 2014 and although he improved at Somerset by the time they showed him the door he was back to that sort of form. He's the sort of signing that doesn't inspire or excite - quite the opposite in fact. I didn't see much of Klindt in 2015 but I'd agree with all those who say if he doesn't gate he's not interested. At Scunny at 2014 the only reason he was gating was because he rolled almost every time. Still, its not that long ago that he was a very good second string at EL standard so there is hope for improvement. While I'd admit I am lousy at prediction, I think that team is better than Ipswich and Berwick.

I think you are right about Worrall. There's a chance he'll improve but its by no means guaranteed. Barker will go up. At Sheffield in play offs he never looked like being beaten so 7.5 is a bargain average. Lunna is a shrewd signing, and I agree with Albert's comments above. Ayres will be one of the better 3.00 picks and if Garcia is on better machinery he'll improve considerably. Its a good team.

I agree. Not only that, it'll be a very good one to watch.

I'd be surprised and I suspect there would be a lot of angry and disappointed devils out there. Without Plymouth, Holder would almost certainly not have ridden in British Speedway last season. As far as I am concerned, he owes them 2016 at least.

So, no response from anyone from the Supporters Club or those who simply termed Barncooseboy's criticism as 'rubbish'. I (and probably everyone else) will draw their own conclusions from that. I don't know a lot about supporters clubs but I am aware that away travel at Plymouth is - as Barncooseboy said - organised by the Devils on Tour, not the supporters club. In contrast, I am also aware that the Mildenhall one organises both away travel and the end of season presentation.

The very fact that you are contributing to this forum suggests that you still have some interest.

Must have been. You're absolutely right, its not there any more.

If truth were told I think that's the case with a lot of clubs !! Your earlier point about the negative posters disappearing when the Devils made it to the play offs is absolutely right. By and large, that shows they are not worth listening to because their posts are subjective rather than objective. I have made no secret of my regard for Plymouth's promotion, supporters and, especially, their track. Its one of the best in the country and utterly debunks the theory that having a big circuit is a necessity for good racing. I'll let them have a couple more days to respond before I comment further. I am sure, though, that we can all draw conclusions if there is none.

Of course it could be, but I think that would be a major error. It seemed to me that 2015 was a major success for the NL as a whole, with a significant number of young riders making a great deal of progress yet the teams having enough senior riders to make meetings competitive and not look like a glorified training session. However, at the start and due to the low points limit, there were 23 3.00 riders in the named line ups. The question is whether there are another 23 out there (and given that there will be two new teams in the league more might be needed). Worse than that is that some of the boys who made progress last season might be dumped. That's possible anyway, but with a higher limit its less likely. For me, 40pts would have been right; with the new teams coming in, 38 or 39 might be better.

Armstrong is an excellent signing wherever he goes. His average might not totally reflect it, but he's still one of the best riders in the NL and capable of beating anyone, anywhere. Not only that, he's popular with fans and management alike. Finally, I have heard from several sources he's brilliant in the pits with the other members of the team. All in all, he's a perfect example of why the regulation allowing one rider over 30 in each NL team is fully justifiable.

Auty, Wilkinson and 3 pointer will fit. That looks like an attractive and entertaining side to me.

Perhaps what would have been better is a rebuttal of the points Barncooseboy has made, rather than merely saying he is 'talking rubbish'. So.............. Did the supporters club organise any events during the winter ? Did they organise any away travel ? Did they organise the end of season presentation night ? Did the committee get in free ? Did they stop selling raffle tickets at 19.10 ? Did they run the track shop ? Did they contribute £300 to the riders or was it more (if so, how much) ? And, for my benefit, precisely what did they do ? It would perhaps be unfair to judge Plymouth's supporters club by my experiences, but I am all too aware of at least one club that shut down its supporters organisation simply because they weren't getting their money's worth - indeed, it was costing them money. Let yourself down big time there. Two or three people have a pop at you and you throw your toys out of the pram (if memory serves me correctly, not for the first time). I am aware of your final contribution to Plymouth Speedway and know just how significant it is and how much it is appreciated. It is unfortunate that you choose to make a decision of that nature on the back of so small a proportion of the fan base. That depends whether it is true or not. I'll make a judgement when I hear the other side of the argument rather than someone just saying 'rubbish'. A big sponsor is more than entitled to his opinion.

I take it you haven't been to Plymouth...

I foolishly believed what was on the 2016 teams thread.............

I have never seen anyone ride Buxton like he did - it was extraordinary. Morley tried the same thing and fell off. Tom Perry is at Plymouth.

According to NL Regulations, riders coming in using the partiality rule are a 5.00. Because Wilson-Dean could ride in the NL, his PL average is a 3.00.

Payne's 29.

In my opinion, could have done a lot better, too.

I hope someone goes for Shanes. Can't gate to save his life but his riding after that is amazing. Scunny would suit him down to the ground..................but he lives in Dorset.

Not for the first time, I totally agree

Easier but doesn't guarantee a thing.