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That's the point Sidney. If Ward takes a tac now, and scores 6.. he only gets paid for 3, normal race win. Before he'd get an extra ride, so they'd be paying him for an extra 3 pts. Will add up to a fair bit over the season I expect.

It's well documented why the new rule was brought in. Cost. It was costing promoters a lot of money paying out the extra pts money to the top riders. The Double pts rule achieved the same effect without paying extra. Another reason (but less the reason for the change) given was that the old system was unfair on some of the lesser riders who were getting replaced and very often in the races they best stood a chance in (heat 8 in particular).

Not disputing that, but you're defeating the argument there aren't you. You're admitting it was much easier to manipulate meetings so the weaker team won. I preferred the old rule Sidney, same as you do I'm sure. I'm not naïve enough to think it was in anyway fairer though.

Here we go again. This isn't an opinion, it is a FACT. The old tac sub rule was more unfair, it is indisputable. Nor is it even close.

Nothing wrong with that WK.

I have no problem with tac subs/rides etc. I actually feel they enhance the meeting rather than have this damaging negative effect which some allude too. However, all of the systems can be deemed 'unfair' to the team that is winning. The key here being 'ALL' the systems, not just the current one as some folk continue to try to do. Under the old tac sub system, you only had to fall 6pts behind and you could then replace one of your weaker riders with one of your best riders. More often than not this meant replacing one of your reserves, who was likely to finish last, with a rider likely to win the race. You are gaining more than 3pts here as you are also reducing your opponents too. You also of course had the option of putting in a Double Tac sub, which could turn a potential 1-5 against heat to a 5-1 for heat, giving an even bigger pts swing. Throw in the fact you could use 3 such tactical sub rides and it made it far far harder than it is now for the winning team. You surely know this anyway, so quite why you require an 'explanation' I don't know.

I'm quite sure to the 'average punter', being able to replace your worst rider with your best rider (when the other team can't) is quite unfair too.

Hardly anyone, even on these forums has ever said that. In 90%+ of the posts about it, the 'unfairness' is the first thing they mention. I still don't buy that is a reason why people wouldn't go to a meeting. The sport had lost a massive % of its fan base before double pts rides were ever introduced.

Well based on a far unfairer system not causing any issues for years, I'd say it's not a major issue. Based on the fact that speedway had lost most of its crowd before it was introduced, I'd say it's not a major issue.

That's what Oldace is saying???

I do hope you are joking here.. Are you suggesting that double pts tac rides are 'unfair' but the old tac sub for being 6 points behind was not? The old system was the most unfair of all, by quite some way. Not that I am against it, or indeed particularly against the current rule. Neither of them are the reasons for the sports problems.

And all races had 4 riders of equal standing in, the racing was never spread out..

I will pick faults and I will be accurate. The old tac sub system was THE MOST UNFAIR system the sport has ever had. To attempt to use it as an example of how the sport was 'great' and is now marred by the current Tac system is hypocritical and ignorant.

Got to love it. It wasn't unfair back in the good old days was it, when the weaker team won due to tactical rules... It happened regulary, especially with some of the Cradley teams too (Hancock/Hamill) etc.

I think I need to lie down.. feeling rather feint.. It appears that Starman may be disagreeing with Middleditch...

Rmc hasn't been driven anywhere. He's an adult who makes his own decisions. In the Parken GP thread he was the one trolling and picking a fight over something trivial. Ended up with him having a similar 'rant', throwing his toys out and storming off. With regards to the world feed, there are no 'gaps' in it, as alluded to by our 'expert' in the area. It is continuous throughout the entire GP as Phillip Rising says.

This I totally concur with!

Of course, we've seen the same regurgitated start to a thread many times. Quite where you establish my 'hatred' of the sport is beyond me. Now if you'd said hatred of the way the sport is so inefficiantly run you may have had a point..

As if that's a new fan. Nice try with the 'promotion/relegation' bit to disguise it but that's hardly something that you can't get explained. Every single fan of speedway would be able to answer that for you. Just another existing fan trotting out the guest rider analogy.

I don't think they would get a pick now. I think when they slip out of the top 8 is when they will retire in all honesty.

Could you imagine in the football world cup blokes racing round a track on bikes? No? That should answer your question.

Where are your comments on the other 7 or 8 times the same thing happened in the meeting? Where are your comments when the same thing happens regularly in every other GP? The simple fact is, there was never going to be room for Emil there and as every other rider on the night did he should have backed off. Through his wreck less riding poor AJ is now injured. One must also assume those who feel Zagar was right to be excluded felt Emil should have been excluded for lifting and taking hancock's line. Your argument of wanting to see exciting racing makes no sense either. Did you not see holder And ward? Was holder just letting him by? No, he was blocking every move. Races would be damn boring if riders just let people pass them At will. They're exciting when riders have to change lines to make the pass As we saw ward doing, plus Zagar/Gollob in their race.

Yep a whole new game you say.. Just a lot lower.

If this is all you have to contribute its been no loss. All you've done is bleat about someone you claim to have been bleating elsewhere. The only person who hijacked this thread was you.

Oh look .. Sayfutidnov, lifts goes across another riders line and Hancock has to shut off or be wiped out. Exactly what Zagar did. The only difference is, Hancock isn't a nutjob who causes a crash.