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A glaringly obvious opportunity missed Rob... However, just one of the very many missed every single season with the BH crowds... People say that no one knows about the Aces/Sport? Well the BH crowds show a good many do (and probably used to be regulars)... They just didn't see/couldn't afford spending circa £20 each week to attend as value for money so got out of the habit of going.. 900 paying around 20 notes will generate less than 2000 paying a tenner... But 2000 paying a tenner would generate an infinitely better atmosphere which could only encourage some to come back again... And sell more programmes and take more on the concessions... And also sell the sport far more positively on the box to those curious enough to watch the Speedway on a quiet night for live Sport now the football seasons globally are coming to a close... Rinse, repeat and fade... Edit. Hang on, doing a ten pound special would reduce the season ticket holders value. I forgot that... Or 'Trying to run a business for six months after tying both hands behind your back' as selling season tickets to a couple of hundred people (at best) should be known..

The only issue with that plan is that they would arrange all three Test matches on Wednesdays and have to get a load of Poles and Swedes in to guest as the British and Danes would all be unavailable...

But again there in lies another of Speedways nonsense operating ideas.. If, as they did, they decided Wednesday and not the agreed Thursday was going to be the fixed night, then it should have been decreed no Danish riders allowed.. Or... The fixed nights will be, as agreed, Monday and Thursday, hence no clashes with Denmark so all Danish riders allowed.. 'Common sense' I believe it is known as... Typically Speedway in this country then tried to deliver its usual cobbled together half arsed plan that appeases everyone but ultimately helps no one to move the Sport forward.. Death by a thousand (self inflicted) cuts could be a very apt description....

And isn't this exactly why Speedway has zero credibility as a team sport...? Promoters must literally spend hours trying to arrange meetings to get an advantage over their rivals knowing they will be missing riders, and then more hours sourcing the best guests available.. Rather than spending those zero value adding hours planning (and then aggressively promoting), meetings that have both credibility and integrity.... The irony being is that all that planning and thought is designed to win a meeting that is now rendered totally meaningless by the very definition of the teams so painstakingly put together..! You couldn't make it up sometimes could you? Poole have released Kildemand as he will miss nine matches however if he had been running an 11 point average, and they would have then have had the whole league to use as guests on a 'horses for courses' basis, would they have done it? (If they could have had guests that is? Or would it have been an NL rider only they could use? Or does it come down to which meeting was arranged first? Or which meeting was rearranged first? Etc etc etc).. The fact the sport, by its actions, even facilitates such discussion about such nonsense on social meda, pretty much sums out why it is so out of touch with it current fan base and the much, much higher numbers in its 'ex fanbase'.... Simply Crackers... And I know it would never happen but this is exactly the kind of thing an independent body or person running the sport would simply not allow.... As they/he (or she it is 2018), would simply see these perpetual self inflicted situations as far too brand damaging to ever be allowed, even just once... (Never mind 'ad infinitum')!!...

To be fair to Manzares no one can really know who is riding when and where till every rider in the stadium has actually had a race most nights... More chance of him winning the Euro millions I reckon than predicting which riders will make up a Speedway team on any given night... Getting the popcorn out ready for TJ's response..

Don't you just love this sport when you watch this level of racing?!!!! WOFFY! WOFFY! WOFFY!

Maybe a bit controversial for some on here, but I do actually think that there is too much Speedway... Bank Holidays tend to be frequented by many for whom that day is their only visits of the year... And if you only attended on those days you would think Speedway was popular as you would always be part of a decent crowd.... Maybe Speedway should just go down the Stock Car route and run around 8 individual meetings per track per year, with effective marketing and promotion seperate for each event, on days that actually encourage crowds to attend (ie Weekends). There simply isn't enough riders (or too many teams?) to keep churning out meeting after meeting, night after night, around the country. Hence many meetings become Mickey Mouse, contrived nonsense which actively dissuades attendance to a large contingent of the possible crowd, and does great damage to the Speedway 'brand'.. The bottom line is that if you cannot run ANY Team Sport with credibility or integrity to engage that emotional attachment from a support base, then you have pretty much no chance of ever being successful.. Speedway does though have that tremendously exciting spectacle of the racing which can be appreciated by many thousands when done well, so should maybe just sell that spectacle as a stand alone rather than a contrived team ethos? Bank Holidays show the potential audience who know what Speedway is and where it takes place, with many no doubt being ex regulars... They just don't want to go every week/fortnight.. Possibly less is actually more...?

Well that's the Sport knackered then..... Because "Hey, why dont all you fans bring a friend" appears to be the only 'marketing plan' of the past 25 years used...

For me.... The NSS should become 'Speedway's Wembley'... Modern facilities which followers of other sports would expect should they attend a meeting, AND a fantastic race track on which to showcase Speedway racing at its very, very best.. All done approx 1 mile away from city centre Manchester (which is quite probably the Sporting Capital of Britain)... The Sport desperately needs a 'hub', and with the office facilities there as well, making the NSS the administration centre would also make sense.. Very Central too with excellent motorway, rail and coach route links... I personally don't attend every meeting there, and wouldn't attend all the 'big ones' so it doesn't really bother me either way, however the Sport needs a big profile boost and where better than gaining it at the home of the Belle Vue Aces (one of very few Speedway teams non followers can name) in a vibrant, major city renowned for Sporting success? It won't happen of course as there will be plenty wanting their own little slice of the action, however tiny that action in reality is...

It was quite simple wasn't it? Monday - Britain Tuesday - Sweden Wednesday - Denmark Thursday - Britain Friday - Poland Saturday - Poland Sunday - Poland.. Everyone leaves the meetings with agreed proposals.. Cannot think how it all went wrong.. (Amazed Poland didn't fight for Monday's and give up one of their weekend days)..

Or at the very start of the season before Poland and Sweden kick off as the end of the season often sees a few unexpected 'illnesses and injuries'..! In fact, launch the Speedway Season on the back of it... Run it at the NSS, no better place to 'showcase' the Sport than watching the best riders in domestic speedway riding on such a fantastic race track with modern stadium facilities... Do a fan zone in Mcr City Centre on the Friday and Saturday with all tracks in attendance.... Maybe even run the Championship Riders the day after and make a Speedway Weekend out of it...? (Wouldnt cost too much in hotels for the riders to stay over on Saturday night too as many will have 'qualified' for both meetings!)..

The PDC and BDO do 'share' competitors for various events through the year, (now where have we seen that before?) with The Grand Slam Of Darts being the most well known... And to be fair, several BDO lads do hold their own in that competition, usually until the later stages when the matches get longer.. Although there is an obvious difference in the overall standard between the two, that difference in the competitors capabilites is no where near as wide as the HUGE gulf in how both sports are promoted, marketed and, at the event, presented to the fans by their respective controlling bodies... Truly is 'chalk and cheese'... One tries to deliver a night of noise, colour, excitement and encourages audience participation, where you come away from it very content that you got value for your money, and (probably more importantly), will attend again.. The other is sat in a time warp that has never even reached the end of the 20th Century, never mind being fit for purpose to be successful well into the 21st.... Spookily similar to Poland and Britain's philosophy on how they run their Speedway I would suggest...

Same reasons why the PDC Darts is "booming" and the BDO darts is "on its arse"... Marketing and Hype! Two Governing Bodies in exactly the same sport, sometimes using the same competitors, but one is ran by an independent leadership team, made up of successful business people who bring in experts in sports administration and marketing to bring credibility, integrity and 'Brand awareness'. 'Brand awareness' that results in excellent TV coverage and sponsorship from National Companies, eager to be associated with it knowing that their target audience will be in attendance. This then allows admission charges to be set at a level that encourages rather than dissuades that attendance.. Whilst the other tries to 'self govern' and is led by (no doubt) well meaning people, who may be successful in their own field, but simply don't possess the necessary skill sets to administrate and effectively promote a National Sport, nor, it would appear to have the acumen to surround themselves with the people needed who can.... Which all results in 'cobbled together' Competitions, of very little worth, with very little TV presence, meaning hardly any major sponsorship is forthcoming as the demographic (and total numbers) of the audience doesnt justify the outlay... This then leads to admission costs which inhibit rather than attract followers as they have to be set at a level that tries to recover the costs involved from an ever dwindling fanbase.. The most concerning barometer of where the Sport is for me, is the simple fact that at many tracks kids are allowed in for free or just a nominal amount, yet there are hardly any of them there... "Even free Speedway isnt deemed to be worth attending", seems to be the clear feedback... It really now has to be time for the Sport to go "all in" and get itself a proper marketing company with a strong track record to promote it.. Redirect some of the millions it currently pays out to riders each season and see if it can be marketed or 'hyped' to get people in through its doors.. It is said that the definition of insanity is "Always doing the same thing over and over again, but each time you do it, you are expecting a different result".. If Speedway doesn't change, (and radically) soon, the men with the straight jackets might not be too far away... And maybe, sadly, followed closely behind by the undertakers..?

Great point Steve.. Dan's Achilles Heel seems to be his gating as passing comes second nature to him.. Therefore riding on a track that doesn't allow such passing might be just what he needs... And at the same time, develop his Supercross skills, giving him another string to his bow, should his Speedway career not work out...☺

Agree 100%.... Unfortunately I don't think the Sport can wait until Hell freezers over...! It does though need a much increased fanbase and NOW.. The incredible irony is of course, that rather than work collectively to improve the 'Brand' of British Speedway, the promoters seem to (perpetually), try and gain (individualy), every little ounce of advantage from the Mickey Mouse rules they contrive to make up.. All to win Competitions, which by their very own Operating Models, have almost zero credibility and kudos.. Somebody needs to give it direction and do it quickly.. National Promotion and Marketing. National Collective Merchandise Sales. National Collective Ticket Sales... Start selling the four lads racing. Start selling the 'Speedway Brand'. Start having credibility and integrity.. Must be a chance for the Sport over here if they do that..?

Pretty sure it was the same person who also said it should be a £20 Sport when it cost about £12 at BV.. To back up his rationale he quoted how much it cost to watch a show in the West End and how much it cost to watch Premier League Football in London... Who said Britain doesn't do great comedy anymore?...

Spot on.. One of the biggest issues the Sport has is that it actually thinks 'small time'... Therefore is, and will remain, 'small time'... All the tracks will individually try and drum up fans by various, (well meaning but ultimately amateurish) low level, local marketing campaigns... Surely it's now time for them to work as a collective to fund a proper professional National Marketing Campaign and then do their own local work on the back of that..? The 'Brand of British Speedway' needs to grow in the consciousness of the wider sporting public and each club will then reap the benefits..

Spot on.. One of the biggest issues the Sport has is that it actually thinks 'small time'... Therefore is, and will remain, 'small time'... All the tracks will individually try and drum up fans by various, (well meaning but ultimately amateurish) low level, local marketing campaigns... Surely it's now time for them to work as a collective to fund a proper professional National Marketing Campaign and then do their own local work on the back of that..? The 'Brand of British Speedway' needs to grow in the consciousness of the wider sporting public and each club will then reap the benefits..

You make many good points... But one of the major issues the Sport has is exactly that it does all the 'Promotion' at such a very low level... All well meaning I am sure, but visiting Schools or standing in a Supermarket lobby with club memorabilia on a folding table is miles away from a 21st Century advertising plan.. Instead of all doing their own advertising 'small time' at a local level, the Sport finally needs to run a properly executed National Marketing plan to see if that will change its fortunes.. The Nineteen Prem and Championship clubs should all have a directive to put £50k into a fund to hire a Company to advertise the Sport nationally.. To deliver the money, it would mean that over the 28 matches in the Prem you would need to trim your costs by less than £2k a match so I would suggest doable.. That would release £950k to hire a marketing company... With crowds so low and so many people who 'used to go' living on the doorstep of so many tracks it surely would be a huge opportunity for some 'proper' marketing Company to make plenty of money on a commission basis.... They grow crowds and income, and get a share of the spoils... Instead of paying almost a Million quid to todays riders who, with the greatest of respect, have little impact to crowd levels, it surely now is the time to invest that money in a Company that could increase those crowds..

I have been once this year, (Pooles 'all conquering' septet tempted me)... And have to say the crowd wasn't great even for that meeting and from what I have heard even less have attended the other Prem matches.. Over the past two years the Grandstand has looked most weeks I have been there around two thirds to three quarters full... Against Poole I would suggest it was around half full... And as the Grandstand holds around 1800 that alone is a few hundred missing... In the South Stand where I go, I would suggest at least 150 - 200 less given the gaps between spectators that last year weren't there.. The 'Entertainment and Leisure' business do their promotions and 'specials' on a Monday for a reason... And I am sure it's more necessity than any 'enthusiastic' choice that makes them do that...

The result of a totally nonsense operating model which benefits no one.... Running any business which shares employees with others, and whose availabilty dictates to their employer when the operation can 'open for business', is pretty much doomed to failure I would suggest..

Phil, everyone knew Denmark had priority for Wednesdays... It's their night... Hence British Speedway was granted Monday and Thursdays as theirs... Then they changed.. Why? Well, once again, the tail wagged the dog...

'Each rider can have a maximum of seven rides per meeting'... 'Each rider must have a minimum three rides per meeting, unless signed off by the track medical team with illness or injury before he has completed those three rides'... 'A rider excluded from any race for a starting offence will not have this race counted towards his minimum three races'.. Would that not cover it? The details of complying with the who, what, why, when, would be down then to the Team Manager's tactics for the various different scenarios that Speedway present.. (RR/IRR/TS/Reserve rides)... It would also prevent any 'professional fouls' by deliberately getting exclusions to bring better replacements in.. Seven rides max, three rides minimum.... Next.....

Once again Matt has pulled a rabbit from the hat... Matt again shows he is one step, if not several steps, ahead of his rivals with the Polish lads he has brought over.. Middlo will ensure our new lads settle in quickly and start banging in the points.. It's great to have Leon over here till Chris can start riding for us. The work done on the track should definitely mean great racing this year.. There's only one clear winner of the 'Premchamship League' this year.. We have to get rid of (insert name here), he will never even achieve his average never mind what everyone thought he would do.... We need to bring (insert name here) back, we should never have left him out in the first place.. The tide was in so that meant the third and fourth turns were bumpy.. Etc etc etc...

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