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Stamford Bridge: Frank Arthur, Wal Phillips, Gus Kuhn... Lea Bridge: Jimmy Stevens, Stew Fairbairn, Alf Foulds, Reg Stanley, Howie Osment, Harold Hastings, Alec Slow, Charlie Spinks West Ham: Tiger Stevenson, Bluey Wilkinson, Tommy Croombs, Arthur Westwood, Allen Kilfoyle, Bert Jones, Don Durrant Harringay: Vic Huxley, Colin Watson, Eric Spencer, Stan Spencer, Alf Sawford, Will Dennis, Jack Kidwell, Lou Burger, Howard Traynor, Geo Preston, Ron Thompson, Ben Unwin. High Beech: Jack Barnett, Syd Edmonds, Phil Bishop, George Bishop, Stan Baines, Stan Taylor, Charlie King May I suggest you invest in copies of "Speedway in London" and "Speedway in the South East"? All the information you ever wanted to know is in those two books...or, at least, the above line-ups are!

Well, what an investment the book turned out to be. Anyone with a copy should cash in now! See http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0...;condition=used

Save the review, speedyguy, you can use it again when our Tom Farndon book comes out next February.

Well I can tell you who rode for Wembley, Crystal Palace and Coventry in 1930: Wembley: Jack Ormston Colin Watson Stan Catlett Harry Whitfield Arthur Atkinson George Greenwood Buster Frogley Crystal Palace: Roger Frogley Triss Sharp Ron Johnson Clem Mitchell Joe Francis Wally Lloyd Jack Barrett Harry Shepherd Coventry: Jack Parker Norman Parker George Allbrook John Deeley Lew Lancaster Tiny Timms Bill Stanley Cecil Walker Tom Farndon How's that for a start?

The results of all the matches are printed in Robert Bamforth's "Speedway - The Pre-War Years". That is just the results, not all the scorers. All the full results are certainly in the Speedway News for 1930. There is no mystery about them.

I don't even know you, do I?

Yes, but that's the problem. Who else would run the event? If someone comes along to do it, fine. We had this discussion last year with people saying we ought to have an event at High Beech in February, but no-one came along to volunteer to organise it.

If (and it seems to me a big if) someone came along and said they would like to organise an event at High Beech in February, I am certain (as we did in fact discuss it) the Speedway Museum would be happy to rearrange our event for later in the year. So, if you are serious about organising an event at High Beech, Ray, I'm sure we could come to some accommodation. Though, to be fair to everyone, we would need to know fairly soon before much effort has gone in to the organisation of our event.

It doesn't make any difference. You don't have to ask permission.

The same rules apply to the rider as anyone else publishing a photograph. The rider could certainly be sued for breach of copyright even if the photo is of himself. It's similar to the example I gave of The British Museum above.

No-one because it's more than 70 years since the photographer's death.

Oh yes, so it has. I've just realised I mentioned some of those above over five years ago!

Presumably if the photographer sold the photograph with copyright to the magazine the magazine holds the copyright. It can't revert back to the photographer's family after he dies. If you wanted to reproduce the photograph you would have to get permission from the magazine not from the person (company) who now has the photograph. In fact they would actually need to get permission themselves if they wished to reproduce the photograph. When the law was changed some years ago, we ran into a similar problem at The British Museum. We sold photographs to members of the public and sometimes gave permission to these people to publish the photograph in a book or magazine. Because they had published the photograph and we hadn't they actually had the copyright on future reproduction rights and not us, even though it was our photo of one of our objects. We then had to then make it clear in any agreement we made that permission was for a one off reproduction and did not confer any rights on the publisher.

Of course, going back to the early days, you had riders like: Slider Shuttleworth Sig Schlamm Riskit Riley Hurrican Hampson Acorn Dobson Buzz Hibberd Champ Upham Cyclone Smith Bronco Bianchi Ham Burrill Ralston Dunlop Speedy Formby Hurrican Harvey Crazy Hutchins Winks Rice Then, later on there was Crocky Rawding and an old friend of this Forum, who doesn't seem to have been mentioned in a while, Crusty Pye.

I seem to remember the original idea was so that the helmet colours matched the four colours on the Sky Remote. They were going to introduce interactive features to utilise this. But it never happened.

I think Pearcey has put his finger on the problem. Yes, in one way the double points rule did make for a more exciting finish but to many people that feeling is dissipated by the unfairness of it all so that excitement is replaced by resentment and you come away from it all not feeling exhilarated as you should but feeling sorry for the team that came second or that it's a joke. So the main reason for introducing the joker rule in the end becomes totally negated and we would all be better off without it.

Tony Millard might not have known how many points each rider had or their position in the meeting or Grand Prix overall, but he does know the ages of all the riders. Now, I ask you which is more important? Riders' ages obviously.

I know exactly what you mean. The late Ernie Hancock had an enormous collection of speedway related material, ephemera, trophies, etc. His whole house was stuffed full of it. It nearly all went to the dump. I think Terry Stone managed to salvage a couple of trophies but by the time he got round there it had nearly all gone. I have nothing against private collectors per se - I collect stuff myself - but please remember to leave instructions about what to do with it in case of your death....the Speedway Museum is a good place to think of......

It can be a bit of a nightmare but basically, speedyguy is probably right. Wright Wood photographs are the copyright of John Somerville and Alf Weedon photographs are the copyright of Retro Speedway. I believe both own some other copyrighted photos as well. If I borrow photographs from someone for inclusion in a book I always acknowledge them, even if they don't actually own the copyright. More modern photos can be a bit of a problem. I have twice used photos which photographers have complained (after the book's been published) are their photographs and therefore their copyright, but, in both cases, there was nothing on the back to show who owned them. I came to amicable agreements with both. I have never encountered any problems with using a scan of a programme cover - in fact I'd never thought about it until I read your posting, but I suppose technically they are copyright too. It's probably ok to use programmes from defunct tracks but I suppose, in theory, tracks that are still going (like Swindon) could claim copyright, but I would think it unlikely they would make an issue out of it.

Yes. This Sunday at Upminster Tithe Barn Museum from 10:00 onwards.

He was born on 17 November 1927 making him 81.

So sorry to hear this, Ross. I know you have been expecting the worst for some time but it doesn't make it any easier. I remember Eric well of course from his days at New Cross. He came out or retirement to ride for the Rangers and immediately got back to the sort of form he enjoyed in his Wembley days. He was always able to match the best of the opposition teams and it was unfortunate he had to miss out on the 1960 final through having to return home early. I would also like to thank you and Eric for the entertaining stories you have been posting on Eric's speedway days. They have been amusing, touching and full of interesting sidelights on that period of speedway in this country. My sincere condolences to Eric's family and to you too, Ross, as I know you have become very close to Eric over the last few months.

I have just returned from the latest Speedway Museum Committee meeting and we have decided to hold the 2010 Celebration of Speedway at the Museum again. It will be on 21 February. Following the amount of positive feedback we had after this year's event it was felt it would be in everyone's interests, stall holders and visitors, to hold it at the Museum again rather than High Beech. I will give more details nearer to the event, but it is hoped it will be at least as big as last year and hopefully bigger. It will probably also include the official opening of the new extension to the Museum.

It'll either be in microfilm or they will have the actual papers. Have you tried? They are both easy to get copied.

Now you're just being silly.