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Am I wrong but I thought that Wigg was one of the riders who dropped points for cash ...how does make you a great ambassador ..only in speedway I guess .

Ouch and FF in agree shocker ..it's like there the same person

Lol ...no doubt to be joined by the bloke at work who laughs at speedway rules

Morton had been in the local paper saying so ...being a man of print I am shocked you miss it ....but just for you , http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/other-sport/speedway/belle-vue-aces-chris-morton-12139248

More guff .. It's not irreverent about the meeting going ahead even Gordon understands that was major factor in Belle vues problems this year ..yet again you ignore that there were problems with 3rd and 4th bends from the outset and the clerk course has already there were problems ever before nightfall on the day of the meeting ...to keep saying the track ok and then there was only a problem with the 3rd and 4th bend because of the drop the temp dropping is a lie it had been there from the outset . Chris has nothing to do with Dave Gordons take on the Belle Vue story last year because of most of it is just a lie

So where is Chris Morton input ? where is the bit about why Morton wanted to distance himself from what happened at Belle Vue speedway this year ...why not ask Gordon why Chris would want to say that ? the bottom line all we have is a piece written from one persons point of view a person who has already found guilty of telling lies in speedway and fined for it written by his mate ....it's a shocker that people take it as some kind of gospel .

I Remember Matt k and Humprey a etc ASKING plenty questions on how this project could for pay fot itself and plenty thinking that Morton and Gordon were never the people for the project ...and that has shown to be correct ....if it's not a biased article was not ask Chris Morton why he does not want to be part of What Gordon has been saying etc etc why not ask Dave Gordon that question himself ...why not ask Dave Gordon If he way he was not paying rent or riders where was the money going ? .

Of course it is ..there a millions questions they could have asked Dave Gordon ...but none of them were ever asked ...so yes it there fault if it comes across as vindicating him as that was the whole point in the first place ,it has nothing to do with wanting the truth on trying to be balanced ,

As we suspected the piece by Phil Rising is as normal sticking up for his long time chum Dave Gordon . He been an apologist for him since as long as we have known ..lots of things miss out and no questions asked on key matters as yet again the speedway star scores another own goal due to self interest of the editor . Another sad but expected day for speedway .

it reported that the 3 and 4th bends were poor during the day ...even if was because of the atmospheric conditions yet again it was up to Morton and Gordon to test the track at that time of night have a couple meetings etc before hand so they are at fault ..the bottom line is they knew there massive problems with the 3rd 4th bends but they were so much pressure money wise they took a risk to run the meeting but as soon riders got it they quickly knew the track was not fit to race on .

Talking of rubbish and lies here comes a Fred /Ouch post ...Irony at it's best

He's Had a job upgrade ..he's now selling the big issue .

Very well put .

No one has suggested that ..but that is not be all and end all why Belle Vue went ** up this season ....Gordon was a massive part of why is went wrong including the opening night and was quite rightly was going to be have his licence revoked , Even Morton in the end did not want to be associated with his comments or his side of the story .

Easy to pass judgement when you only hear one side of the story and from one angle ...lets just take in what Dave Gordons says yea he's hardly known for being honest is he ( water hose on track anyone ) ....the fault does not fall squarely at the fault of the contractors at all ... Gordons and Morton never done there due diligence in making sure that track was fit to hold a massive meeting rather that taking a gamble when quite clearly there was problems with the track . The opening meeting was a nightmare but they are as much to blame as anyone for the role they played in it .

I thought Phil the Ace said that cup of coffee was signing ?

Sky money gate money sponsors etc etc ...it must quite cheap to run a speedway team when you don't the pay for any rent or any riders ...as I said by your attitude on here when your piece finally get's in the speedway star it's only likely to be pro your mates ...your just an apologist for them .

Plenty of logic in trying to run some kind of a meeting ..as I said they took gamble that things would have been ok and the riders would give the track a go ..quite clearly that did not work out , Makes .more logic than refunded everyones money what clearly would cripple them All the info you give out is all pro Morton and Gordon why not give up some info if they were not paying rent or any riders where all the money went seeing your not bias in any way ...why do kept avoiding the question ?

I don't think it's above normality to run a meeting or meetings at the same set time before you run a massive meeting thats is a sell out ...I would say most people would say it's common sense ... I expect Morton and Gordon could never afford to pay the rent. lets be honest even without the paying the rent they were not paying anyone else . I am sure Mr Rising will explain in great detail where the money was going . I think is completely lost on you the pressure of having ride the meeting due to the money already taken ...not sure what you class as extensive testing ...you would have to be quite naïve or Stupid to think that two riders doing 10 laps each classes as that ..I guess that's when you come in Fred

How could anything been solved if no testing had been done under race condtions at the same time of the night the meeting was going to take place etc ....and this is where the problems and the blame is .. There was massive uncertainty if the meeting was ever going be ok to race and Morton and Gordon took a massive gamble . one that never worked out . The bottom line that meeting should have taken place when not enough testing time had been done and was only given a chance run due to amount of tickets that had been sold .

So all the people like havy etc etc and all the people who put it on here were just made up and got lucky when the meeting was called off ? have naïve are you ? the bottom line is up to Gordon and Morton to make sure that track was going to raceable at that time of night and clearly they had not done enough tests etc to be sure that was going to happen . No doubt your be showing documents that is was ok not to pay riders wages etc ...it's amazing that they got their promoters licence taken away as according to you it was everything was someone else's fault

lol of course they got removed ...at least try to make out your someone else ...post in another way .rather than the normal unfunny waffle, it might fool someone ..good luck

I reckon you need to get your facts right ...it was common knowledge that the track was unfit long before the night of the meeting ...it was all over this forum and back up with comments from riders havy etc ....and come the night of meeting that was shown to be true ..the bottom line is Morton and Gordon were into deep and choose to take a gamble by running the meeting a gamble that once riders took to the track never worked . Don't know what the point of your piece in the speedway star is going to be as clearly all it's going to be doing is sticking up for your mates ..

I don't think it's all Belle Vue fans more like one with a lot of log in's ...ouch only posts the moment Fred get into a debate ..amazing !

By the looks of it if there was a heatwave in Feb I doubt there would be much progress