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oldace

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  1. Oh I don't know about that Sidney. PC certainly did Lee in the only two encounters I can think of at White City (1977 and 1979) To be fair they are comparable. PC applied himself and achieved pretty much what he should have. Bit of bad luck in 1975 and 1977 when he was right at the top of his game, then the shoulder injury in 1980 which effectively finished him but over ten years not a bad effort. Lee on the other hand achieved nothing like he should have done. He should have been the dominant force from 1980 through to the mid/late 80s but for whatever reasons fell apart in the year he was world champion and but for a bit of a renaissance in 1983 was finished in his very early 20s Best Brits in my book are Collins Craven and Lee.
  2. Years ago someone started a thread as to whether there was any speedway in Slough and would it be on SKY. It was simply a p1ss take response to the countless brain dead questions as to whether SKY were showing matches and a particular poster giving the forum his location for a given evening as Slough and wanting to know where he could find some local speedway. It was very funny for a week or so but one or two carried it on ad infinitum well past the point of funny and into merely annoying. Now one of the forums less intelligent posters has made reference to it in a totally unrelated thread meaning if you hadn't seen the original you would (as you did) wonder what the hell he was wittering on about.
  3. It wasn't the smoking pot and getting drunk I was referring to. OK so the verdict was that it was consensual and therefore a not guilty verdict but were his actions that night anything other than vile. And incidentally it is well documented on the internet so there is no need to go into more detail on here
  4. Thanks for the advice but, with all due respect, (zero), I will decide myself what I think of a person based on their known actions. In the case of Ward he is, in my opinion of course, a vile excuse for a human being and I certainly don't need, or want, your endorsement
  5. You dont even know how to debate. Ashby, did you ever see him live, i did and that was in the days when every rider in the league had a 10 plus average.
  6. Seems as though there are two discussions going on here. Firstly as an individual Darcy Ward is a vile piece of scum. He is lower than a snakes belly button and in reality should be doing a 5 stretch right now Secondly as a speedway rider he is probably the most naturally talented around at the moment. Natural talent alone rarely equates to world titles though, it has to bd applied and i think wards immaturity will stand in his way To answer your question sidney, can he win? Yes for sure. Will he win? With his current attitude, highly unlikely
  7. What a fantastic gesture, to put a meeting on purely for the fans out of the goodness of their hearts. This has restored my faith in human nature, you simply can't buy kindness like that.
  8. Professional sport is the total opposite to normal business, particularly sports like speedway. While in normal business you have little regard for your competitors financial well being, quite the opposite in fact, with sport you want (need) all your competitors to be successful financially. You can't be a sports club in isolation, you need others to play/race against. For speedway competition starts and finishes on track, it doesn't continue beyond that. In an ideal world every club would start with an equal chance, certainly they must be able to potentially win most home matches and be competitive away Of course one team would win and one would be last but it shouldn't be a hopeless last, unable to win a match with crowds dropping through the floor
  9. Like the business model that has 99% of all football clubs bankrupt with clubs forced to pay silly money to compete with the likes of City or Chelsea. Such a policy can work in a normal business but with a sports club it is vital that all clubs are financially successful and an across the board pay policy would be the way to go for that to happen
  10. Mmm. That is the exact story told by Ivan Mauger in the 1981 Lada yearbook. If memory serves Ivan didn't name Billy, merely referred to a top Australian international rider. The only slight difference is that in Ivans version two promoters got straight onto the phone to Billy and near doubled his salary Are we to assume that the exact same situation happened twice with polar opposite outcomes or someone is getting their facts mixed up
  11. If he had won that heat I agree he would have been set fair. He had already beaten Ivan and still had another gate 1 to come but would still have had to face Olsen from Gate 4. As it panned out though 14 would still have won it. Even though Bernie really got a lot of stick for that it wasn't as bad as it was made out. Barry was coming back inside as Bernie had a lot of speed to go through the gap. It was actually very similar to Penhalls first turn pass of Nielsen 9 years later but on that occasion Hans stayed on
  12. Better watch ourselves now Grachan, the forum bully boy is on our case. He took my dinner money last week and gave me a chinese burn!!!! Just a joke Ian !!!!!
  13. Quite. It has split the speedway world in half for 32 years. The real loser though was Les Collins. The norm back in the day, particularly with Tore Kittilsen, was to let a race continue if the fallen rider was on the outside away from problems. The inexperienced American track staff though just ran onto the circuit forcing him to put on a red light that otherwise wouldn't have come on. With little over a lap to go there is no way Bruce would have caught PC. Still its all history now, Penhall won, the others didn't and speedway went into even more decline
  14. Indeed he was, but not by the time they come out of the 2nd bend. Penhall had passed him and Carter wouldn't yield, hence he ran out of room and fell off
  15. "Contact" Kelvins favourite word. It really is all about being in front. Two riders racing neck and neck down the straight into the bend. Now if the rider on the outside is half a wheel behind and tries to continue the race into the bend he will get wiped out by the sliding back wheel of the inside rider. Clear contact but totally the fault of the rider on the outside who didn't concede the corner. In that situation he has to run in later make a wider turn and try again later. On the other hand if the rider on the outside is half a wheel in front he can continue the race into the bend quite safely, the bikes can turn in unison and no one falls off. It really is all about getting your wheel in front. Now in the case of Penhall/Carter they were coming out of the bend but the same applies On a track like Hyde Road Carter would have been OK to keep going in that situation. If it was Halifax or Hull (or the coliseum) he wouldn't because he would know exactly where Bruce would be and that there would simply be no room for him. In the cut and thrust of a world final Kenny simply made a bad call
  16. It happened the other way round though. It was Carter running into Bruce that sent Bruce out of shape. In a normal broadside it would be impossible to do such a manoeuvre as flicking a back wheel out. A rider may do an exaggerated over steer to turn back hard under an opponent but it involves a lot more happening than just "flicking the wheel". However many times you may have seen it and from whatever angles the truth is it was entirely Kenny's fault, he simply raced into a dead end
  17. We would all like to see sppedway in wimbledon michael but it simply cant happen. The site now has to generate a massive amount of money in the minimul amount of time and, no matter what, speedway cant be in any way part of that. It was always the likely outcome from the moment rcp bought the gra. Zero investment and maximum profit in the short term before disposing for acquick profit is the rcp model. I suspect the plan was always to dispose of wimbledon cowley and belle vue but this is proving problematic and they are saddled wigh enormous debt on a business that can never hope to make inroads into paying it off
  18. Michael i have to wonder if you have learning difficulties. Arthur cross has explained over and over but you still keep coming back with the same stuff Put simply speedway isnt excluded from anything. If speedway offered an instant solution to finding £50 million then the gra/galiards and the irish banks would embrace it, if speedway could offer the council the potential £1 million pounds per annum that 400 - 500 houses then bet your bottom dollar they would be right behind it. As for supporters groups trying to do someting. Without the werewithal to actually make it happen then its toaltally pointless. Please read what is being posted and accept that, as things stand, there is zero possibility of speedway at plough lane
  19. That's the swear filter for you, and I tried to fool it as well
  20. Or alternatively FFS some people are thick as idiot.
  21. Bast was pretty good on the tiny California circuits, there is no denying that. He regularly beat the top riders of the day on them. In reality though he was beating riders who were simply in the States on holiday and picking up a bit of spending money while they were there. When it came to real racing Bast fell short, 1977 at White City for instance. In view of that, as you say Bast is nowhere near a list of top 100 best ever. That said if, like Penhall did, he had the ambition and desire to go to Europe he had it in him to do much better but he was happy in the sun and earning a nice living
  22. Why are you sorry. <personal abuse removed - rules are same for ALL> This country will Be a better place when he leaves
  23. Yes I agree with that. They are able to push it to the back of their mind or, like you say, dismiss it as something that happens to someone else. However when that risk is right under your nose just before you go out it is a bit harder to dismiss it.
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