daveallan81

I'm looking for information relating to the representative match between the respective junior leagues, if indeed it was staged at all. Full heat details if possible, but all I have is the date so all info is good. Ta muchly.

Thanks for typing that lot out. It's an honourable idea but I can't really see the point outwith the fantastical notion of the pools getting interested. The 10-point rule would surely have led to race manipulation on two fronts - teams wanting to avoid giving their opponents the opportunity and, dare I say it, riders knowing that being ten down could afford them an extra race in the second half. Was it ever tried again?

I'm showing the Wolves v Bradford tie being staged on Monday 5th June, 58-46 the score. This became the first leg following the abandonment of the match at Odsal on Saturday 3rd June, with home side leading 29-24 when it was stopped after Heat 8 due to track conditions. The second leg I have as being staged on Saturday 15th July, score 70-38. The competition was over 18 heats, I don't have anything from 1995 to ascertain the race formula, though if it was 8 man teams I'd imagine it would be the standard one as used in preceeding seasons.

No sweat, here's the 4TT files: http://www.dropbox.com/s/hsh2qfdzuhxfebv/1979IL4TT.pdf http://www.dropbox.com/s/3bu9h1cxcj4ap9i/1980IL4TT.pdf From my huge collection of 2 Stars from 1980 I can offer details for 29/3 at Cradley, 4/9 at Sheffield and 5/9 v Halifax (abandoned) if they are of use to you.

Here's the Wolves 1984 stuff - not sure what format you prefer so both meetings have a racecard and a Speedway Star-style report: http://www.dropbox.com/s/1ejr65b7gdjb5jb/1984Wolves.pdf The Star misreports Heat 13 of the Cradley meeting, missing out King. The result I'm showing tallies with the individual scores so should be correct. Back with 4TT later.

OK sir, leave it with me.

All I have to hand are the yearbook details unfortunately. So just the matches concerning Wolves will suffice? Also, the 1980 Semis & Final were staged at Wolverhampton but they failed to qualify. Do you want details from those matches? Good job collating all that information. Off-topic, but if you're needing anything for 1984 I've got a full set of SStars to refer to. I don't think I can offer much else unfortunately.

Here's the 1981 4TT with details taken from 1982 yearbook: http://www.dropbox.com/s/drvt40l1mn7lg6r/1981NL4TT.pdf I'll have the other stuff for you shortly.

Cradley really wanted to be a football team I reckon. It's an interesting idea. The points on offer are quite similar to today without any reliance on the closeness of the scoreline. If you happen across the programme I'd be interested to hear what they were saying about it.

Are you pair professional bores or is it just some kind of hobby?

The 1978 Speedway Yearbook dedicated a page to this tour. I'm sure someone will have the heat results but here's the information from the yearbook in the meantime. http://www.dropbox.com/s/8rer4qmk80f0f3s/1977StalGorzowUKTour.pdf

Took a look at this using Stuart Straite-Aris's Coventry files on Speedway Researcher. They're only complete up to 1979 but helpfully show results in racecard format with helmet colours. The first instance of what is recognised as the current fixed helmet format is in 1976, an Inter-League 4TT. Prior to 76 it's a bit of a hotch-potch. Different formulas, some fixed helmets, some mixed, even the old WTC appears to operate different formulas throughout the one tournament, dependant on staging nation. The 73 Final at Wembley uses todays recognised fixed helmet formula but it's 1976 before everyone is seemingly singing off the same sheet, and the 'old' formulas are retired. The first mixed helmet formula appears in 1977, but I'm 99.9% certain that this was the formula adopted for the new National League Fours tournament in 1976. Without the programme or additional insight there's no way to discern whether fixed or mixed is in operation using just Speedway Star/Mail style results unfortunately.

I can't help with the above but five days later at Glasgow on 5th September, Eric Broadbelt replaced John Proctor at No. 5 with Miles Evans at No. 4. Long Eaton lined up Geoff Pusey, Gerald Short, Dave Morton (guest for Mark Fiora away on international duty), Evans, Broadbelt, Kenny Young (who filled the blank space at 6) and Glenn Doyle. Looking at the racecard, Broadbelt and Evans taccy subbed each other in Heats 12 & 13, if you read that from Speedway Star it would look like Broadbelt was at 4 and Evans at 5. I'm guessing you've got that very problem.

So it should be - I only did the list this afternoon I hadn't seen the Edinburgh site before, some good stuff on there, hope it continues to build.

I've seen a couple of posts regarding the London Cup now so I've put together a PDF with all the results I have up to 2007. These figures were compiled by someone else but I'd imagine they're 99% on the money. Some years there appears to be a group system, other years it's a final, and a couple of years Belle Vue won it (their second success saw the 1st leg raced over 20 heats, the 2nd over 15!). You can download the file here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8gsdu5q3l70mo0/London%20Cup.pdf You should also take a look here: http://edinburghspeedway.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/london-cup.html

Thanks for that sir. Were the points combined to decide the winner or was it literally two seperate matches?

According to the 1978 Yearbook, two challenge matches were staged on the same day at Dudley Wood. Cradley won both, 34-19 and 42-12. Cradley used the same 6 riders in both, Bristol seem to be down to 5 for the second match with guest Mike Farrell the missing man. Can anyone throw more light on this meeting? Why the two matches?

Here's a racecard and match report from the meeting. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dotk2zc3fcsg7k5/19831026CrayvNewc.pdf

Just to add a wee bit to that file - he rode for Edinburgh in the Northern Junior League in 1986, and was still racing in the UK in 1988, with Glasgow in the National League Junior League or whatever it was called. Personable big chap, like lightning from the tapes.

Aye I'll give you that...I think that's one of Steve Lawson's old barnets...

He was Finnish - don't think they do ginger hair. He's in this team pic http://www.foes.info/teams01.html#1996

I've updated the 1983 requirements in the first post if anyone can assist. The 1984 file is complete and will be updated if any of the queries above are resolved. It can be downloaded from here: http://www.dropbox.com/s/hlwgz6dsx6oqg8l/Glasgow%201984.pdf

Vesa Ylinen.

Here, I'm not finished with you yet, don't go! I'm into 1983, do you remember your debut at Craighead Park? Inter-City cup tie with Edinburgh, Sunday 15th May 1983. Last race, heat 14 - I've got you down as excluded, but Speedway Star reports retired. Others in the race were Andy Reid, Brett Saunders and Glyn Taylor, who fell and was excluded in an unrelated incident. Any recollections? I'm sure it was for something that happened mid-race, ref put your exclusion light on, and you pulled out as the race continued. Do they still do that? Haven't seen it in years. Unemployed into speedway. If you fail to reach a 5 point average after 12 matches your giro gets clipped for not trying? It's worth a thought. They'll eat the poor before they cull them though...

http://www.speedwayatoz.co.uk/percybrine.html