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Don't be too hasty to dismiss. I would like him at Poole but checking his profile and doing some digging I see he has clubs signed for 2017 in Poland (Nice PL 1 so no restriction on countries he can ride) Sweden and even Denmark (Wed track). he has also been appointed Captain of his Danish team. If he signs for Poole my first thought was fixture clash on Wed as its difficult enough them trying to work Hans Andersons Danish fixtures let alone a second Dane with same problem. I wonder if he may have been the Dane Matt Ford was referring to when he said he had tried to sign a Dane who had ridden UK before (unnamed) who most assume was Kenneth Bjere. He couldn't sign the unnamed Dane due to Danish fixture clashes.Maybe it was in fact Klindt who has the real attractive low average so one ace reserve possibility. It's just a thought.

We could all argue the rights and wrongs of riders who have come in all night but still on a C.Holder forum ??? Important thing is the future. The new rules on no riders signing after 31/7 will stop any of these dealings. Also with the new Polish EL rules re max 3 leagues incl your own national league will make sure that any of these top riders riding in Poland will for sure not drop Poland just to finish second half of the new watered down English Prem. We can but hope that is ;-)

Whether it be Klindt or T Kurtz or a good young Pole, I think maybe only until the first GS averages come out and then I can see either Newman/Holder or B Kurtz going into the reserve berth as our better number 6, whoever that be after our initial 6 racks up the points early. I am happy with whoever it is after the first GS average and for sure I expect Matt Ford to have also considered that. I can see anyone of them getting extra rides at reserve which I think will be a bonus as it has been over the past 3 seasons with the likes of Newman/Ellis/Starke. I'm sure he does as he sneaked a similar comment on one of the other teams forums today when Klindts name was mentioned ;-) Come on Skidder spill the beans or at least give us something even if in the form of a cryptic comment for us to work it out :-)

Mads has not managed to get signed up by any Polish Team from what I was reading on Sportowe Fakty last week. They ran an article on 6 riders (approx.) who had reasonable profiles who had not been able to get teams. That to me leaves him open to ride a full season with KL being a Thursday track and leaves him ok to ride in Sweden Tuesday and maybe also Denmark Wednesday. Would be a good rider for strength in depth.

I believe that side had a payment issue with all their riders incl Lindgren & Lindback. I think all them saw their backsides and have signed for new Swedish clubs in 2017 with better finances. Unless Niels is going to take on the Polish Authorities near enough alone then I really can't see his falling out with the people who pay by far his biggest pay check. There are not that many who ride Polish EL plus 3 other leagues. Anderson is one but he's not stupid as he rides in Nice PL1 where he can still do 4 leagues as they don't have the same 3 club ruling of which PL takes precedent plus max 2 other leagues of which one must be your national league i.e Danish in Niels case.

I agree. Maybe a year away will be good as dust may not have settled on his personal circumstances at home and one should not forget that his personal relationship situation at home was also connected to the team by family relationship. Apologies if I am wrong on that score but no doubt hardly condusive to a harmonious and peaceful situation at home or on the track. Chris in effect had two bombshell situations to contend with following the Darcy situation last year. Let's hope he can move on and we can see more of the real Chris Holder who is one of the most exciting racers we have been blessed with seeing in this country over the last 8 years.

Are you teasing again Skidder ;-) Nothing would surprise me Poole went for Klindt or Wozniak. You normally seem to be in the know so maybe you can spill some more. For the record I really do hope Leicester can get it together for 2017. Have read a lot of what seems internal politics on this clubs BSF and would be good if they can sort it out and let whoever runs it get on with putting a team together sooner rather than later when it may be a case of what's left after the other clubs have done their biz. Maybe not so many announced but do we really think a lot of them may not already be agreed/almost negotiated but are being held back on announcement for when it suits the clubs to gain max media exposure.

Much as I would love to see both JPB & JS riding down South I think that both would prefer a Northern Club due to where they both live. I think JPB may do Sheffield (already signed) and maybe another season in NL to continue getting the confidence as he won't get so many points in Prem. I would love to be wrong but being realistic. JS may be a similar story with his dad having BV in his blood. Just a question of which Northern Prem side he signs for and maybe a double up in NL again. Shanes already snapped up by Poole today so maybe one of the other two?? If Rye get JPB or JS then in my opinion they would have done well.

Something that hopefully the new rules re no changes after 31/7 will put a stop to ;-)

Hope that is true. If Poole are to sign a young Pole I think there are better options available. I think Cyfer has been around long enough riding for S.Gorzow and has not really progressed. The fact he has been dropped by them as he is now out of the Junior ranks and has had to drop into Nice PL indicates to me he will never be anything special or even as good as say K.Woryna. On subject of James Shanes I just spent some time this morning looking at some of his rides on 2 different Youtube Videos in Grass Track Championships. Have to say his gating in that sport seemed ok and he looked very stylish and even beat the World Longtrack Champion in one race. Also beat Chris Harris in 2 rides. Wouldn't surprise me if Matt Ford and Middlo have looked at that footage also, as plenty of it, and thought this boy may have some scope to improve. Appreciate Speedway is different and gating is important. However think he may spring a few surprises and not totally cold having ridden and improved av in N/L plus rode as a guest for Somerset in last 3/4 matches of last season scoring points in all of them even if not that many (learning curve remember). If a 2 pointer was Matt's aim then I think he got a good young rider with potential to improve.

Nothing to do with credibility. Both promoters worked within the rules of what can/can't be done. Fair play to Wolves for doing a clever piece of biz in getting what was the World number 1 back on such an average and he played his part in both points secured and motivating the other riders to win the EL. My point was that had that no doubt been Matt Ford then I think the forums would have been in overdrive on how he manipulated to his advantage and played the system. I think Wolves did a brilliant move and great piece of PR for Speedway in general in getting Tai back and as said fair play to them. Now can we leave this subject to Chris Holder - please ;-)

Let's hope its Chris H or if not this week then when side is announced. I think a Thursday track at a venue he rides well is right up his street. I would like to think that he will be in second half of season form in 2017. The breakdown of his personal situation for sure must have taken it's toll on the guy whatever the circumstances. I think a break from Poole will be good for him, in view of what happened on the personal front. Also gives him hopefully his work permit for UK so he can see his son regular. Nope not forgotten. Purely working the system which any other promoter can do. He got an ex rider back on a lowish legal average within a time frame allowed. Is that really any different to what Wolves did ?? Poor Jonas really did nothing wrong but we all know Wolves exploited a loophole which they were perfectly entitled to do just as any promoter could have done similar. Anyway, we can debate long into the night but let's stay off the Chris Holder page as that is what I visit this subject for.

Must admit I do find it frustrating how quickly a subject headed Chris Holder suddenly degenerates into a slagging contest and also completely distracts away from the subject matter. I tune into this subject daily to read the informed comments/opinions rumours etc on where/if Chris will ride in UK the last 2 pages have been filled with comments which seem totally unrelated. Would be great if contributes could maybe aim comments/grievances/gripes about a particular club to that clubs specific page. Having said that I can see the Poole page going crazy with those envious of how a smart promoter has worked the system to his advantage which every other promoter had the possibility to do the same. Funny that Wolves did it last year in getting Tai back on a crazy low average to assist winning the league without much complaint from others.where no doubt had it been Matt Ford these forums would have been screaming blue murder that he had manipulated the system and paid megabucks just to buy the league. Anyway maybe we can keep this page dedicated to the subject matter being Chris Holder.

Like when Swindon go 10 points down in most away matches where he can come in as a tactical after heat 5 ;-) Hope that's not the case as prefer any team stay in a match for as long as possible as we all want exciting meetings

The idea of a forum is to try and cultivate newer members like myself (not even 2 weeks in) to join in the discussion and bring comment/opinion etc. Without such it would be left to the usual suspects who seem to enjoy internal chit chat amongst what they feel is a select few with negative and unwanted comments. People are of course free to comment/agree/disagree or whatever they want to do within reason. Believe me JB, I for one live neither a boring or dull life that I have needed to spend my life on this forum posting not far off 12,000 comments. I for one enjoy a successful life to the degree I retired early this year and enjoy life, but have always been an enthusiastic speedway follower despite its continued downturn in public popularity with the younger of us. People like you and maybe one or two others need to keep encouraging people like me to come on to this kind of forum in order to keep debates/opinion/comments going. Why shouldn't we get excited in anticipation of which rider might be next announced. That's what keeps these forum worthwhile visiting. For every sensible post there is always someone on these forums who just can't help themselves with some half ar**ed comment such as people being bored and having dull lives. Can you imagine if these people had to live with a professional system such as that employed by the Poles and Swedes who have moved light years ahead of the UK in how they plan/run and organise their speedway. Heaven forbid that the UK tries to organise its transfer system similar to these guys. Yes it would all be over in say 2/4 weeks but is that really so bad ??. At least its sorted, done and dusted. The leading speedway nations obviously make it work and make it work successfully. Anyway advanced apologies for tainting this forum with the comments, but this is not the way to attract new contributors to get involved in debate. Trying to guess/anticipate/rumour/get excited about riders you would like to see in your team is part and parcel of forum involvement is it not ??

Hi Tyrion Yes but surely its about strength in depth ?? Kennett is good around Rye House which in itself is worth addl points imo. Not many will master Rye as it was always a tricky track so again he may be worth more than on the face of it. Many riders will not even have ridden it before. I think they may well be very strong at home and with the est riders such as SN/CH/DW and EK scoring solidly away even if not spectacular, I can see them picking up bonus points away which is important to keep in the top 4. I think British riders with proven track records of points scored, plus you know you will get triers is important and doesn't imo break the Bank. We know also Robson can score points at Rye. Not so bad away either against lower order. I even saw him score 12 points guesting for Swindon at Lakeside last season Ok from 7 rides but first was a zero but after that he was most impressive visitor on show outside of Doyle. I think its an interesting side and I am sure the reserves will all be scoring off each other just as it will be with all/most Prem sides next year as many end up with low av guys just to squeeze in teams. Also full marks to Rye for giving the paying public some team announcements so early which has also kept the forum alive with opinion.

Yep that irritating itch has now gone. One less to ponder now EK at RH. Think I will indeed exercise patience from now and keep silent. Will just laugh and smile at the entertainment this forum supplies ;-) At least the list of who it might be is slowly shrinking ;-)

I agree with Joe and also throws up interesting scenario if Todd Kurtz was to score well from reserve in early part of season possibly meaning that either Newman/J.Holder/Brady Kurtz could drop into the reserve berth to maybe p/up even more rides/points although no doubt would be see-saw for that 6 slot during the season. Suits me whichever one of the four is in the 6 slot ;-) But - Something niggling inside tells me E.Kennett may be in there somewhere with Matt going for all round strength in depth and not an out and out number one like KK. Would like both but that's being greedy..... But its all about opinion - opinion and more opinion ;-)

Shame Mr Ford could not give his life blood(fans) a tasty morsel of some kind on the live Pirate cast tonight starting at 7.30 p.m. Would be a nice place to feed those of us impatient buggers ;-) Having said that we are only the cannon fodder (supporters) and heaven forbid we matter. What harm would it do to announce something on Pooles own supporters webcast/radio. But then I am being impatient (not that you can tell huh ?? ;-)

Taking your last option - Todd Kurtz as a reserve on his 5.76 PL av wouldn't be such a bad move considering how many lower order riders are going to be down in these positions as Prem league teams look to balance both their teams and their books. Overhead would also be low as he lives with Brady in the racing season and I think Neil M houses both of them in his spacious residence ;-) I think he also mechanics for younger bro Brady sometimes.

My thinking is similar to yours PB. Was trawling around the EL Av on SGB yesterday and a name jumped out at me that I have not seen mentioned. Kim Nilsson - Age 26 - Rode pretty well for Lakeside last year and surprised have not heard his name so much on the RH posts. Hope Matt gives us another tasty morsel soon so that we can keep playing the numbers game. If he is going to have a number one who is not Hans then the sooner we get it the quicker we can start sending our calculators into overdrive on who the remaining riders may or may not be. At least we will be able to calculate with a lower volume of riders in the lower order :-) I hope he does include Kyle & Brady as it will hopefully allow us to pile up points at home in the very least.

Neil's signing for Piratena is on below link which believe me is the best Polsih Speedway website for all WW speedway updates. It's also on Speedway GP site. Both posted in last 24 hours. http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/645874/niels-kristian-iversen-po-wielu-latach-zmienil-klub or http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/5388/iversen-joins-piraterna Also recently he announced he had joined Stahl again next year in Poland. Not long ago he also announced he had signed for Esbjerg. Polish EL new rules for 2017 state you can only ride Polish EL and 2 other leagues of which one must be your national league. Meaning that unless he cans his new Swedish agreement (no chance as not one World class rider would give up Sweden EL for UK) he cannot ride in UK even if he wanted to.

Sorry guys - Got carried away. Think I calculated at least part on the old 1.6 conv EL to PL from last season - Duh....... Plus also forgetting Kennetts last seasons PL av Good thing I am not a promoter ;-) Nice to also see some are alert today :-) For sure I wasn't....

My imagination is in overdrive again :-) Reading about Davey Watt going to RH means they are now on approx. 30.82 with less than 20 left for 4 riders. With that left I cannot somehow see Eddie Kennett on 10.02 going there as it would only leave them less than 10 points for 3 riders. Knowing how well Kennett has gone when guesting for Poole - especially at Poole as evidenced also in the Blue Riband, I wonder if he is likely to turn up at Poole ?? I know when he was interviewed both on Sky and after the Blue Ribbon he was VERY enthusiastic as to how much he enjoyed riding at Poole. To me home form will be important and if the strength in depth is there it will be about getting bonus points away to stay in top 4. More food for thought/comment.

I think as a neutral Morris has talent and imo most of his issues are in his own head as he has the ability if applying it. I believe he has at times maybe had attitude problems which would have been better channelled into his riding rather than being viewed as a bit of an Aussie tearaway. Maybe thinking too much he was another Darcy Ward and trying to match Darcy but in the wrong way. I would not give up on him and I think a double up would do him good personally. Give some Champ riders a beating more to help his confidence as I think he is one who thrives more when his mood is positive. I also think a move out of Polsh Extralia to the lower division will also help his progress and confidence. He still has time to make it big if he channels it positively. Just my opinion.