Gordon Pairman
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10 hours ago, mikebv said:
The names could be changed to protect the guilty...
I mean the innocent...
Like Gordon Davide or Con Jook?!
Anyway, it’s been done by, amongst others, John Berry, the man who walked away from speedway with two million quid but lost it all as a Lloyds “name”. But that’s for chapter 21
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3 hours ago, JCookie said:
Would you ever consider writing a book about your time in speedway? I'd like to see more after Woffinden's effort.
When I was young and would ask my dad an awkward question, he’d reply “I’ll tell you when you’re 21” which, of course, he never did.
Now when people ask me about my Speedway experiences, I say “You can read it in the book” which, of course, will never be written!
I’ve had some great times and met some amazing people but also had plenty of negatives which I’m happy to leave behind. I miss the fun, but not the back biting and the politics
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17 hours ago, jenga said:
isorry , i was not prying in your part of Glasgow speedways financial stuff . it was just a genuine question , that was all .
No problem. Happy to explain my position. Much of it is a matter of public record anyway
It was an honour to be part of my home city club.
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1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:
Gordon
Pogue Mahone
We have had conversations about this in the past at both Newcastle Workington and Kings Lynn if you cant be bothered to read the thread don't get your knickers in a twist at page 105. So I refer you back to my opening statement...
Pogue Mahone...
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THJ
Your gross offence is unacceptable even if you try to hide it with crock Gaelic.
Please be advised I do not take accusations of any form of financial impropriety lying down.
I give you a last chance to answer my question, thereby justifying what I consider to be a slanderous and thereby actionable remark.
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2 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:
Go back into the tread it's all self explanatory and been covered ad nauseam
Regards
THJ
You have not answered my question. You choose to slander me and my former colleagues and then hide behind some nonsense.
Please either justify your outrageous comment or apologise
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25 minutes ago, jenga said:
when did you cease trading as a Glasgow co owner ?
I was a co-owner of A & S Entertainments Ltd. A & S sold the promoting rights and other assets to a new company called Glasgow Tigers Speedway Limited (“GTSL”) which I think was 60% owned by Alun Biggart and 40% owned by me. After a year, I bought Alun out and became the sole owner. In due course, I sold the company to the current owners.
I did not “cease trading” as you put it at any point.
A&S was wound up by the owners when it was no longer required, all known debts having been settled.
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40 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:
Honestly
It was in reference to a comment made by the expert on all things Glasgow and Speedway about the value of Rasmus Jensen in "this watered down league".
On Worky, they never lost as much as Glasgow (ever) however financially the promotion didn't have bottomless pockets. It's well documented on here...
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THJ
Care to elaborate on the slur that Workington “never lost as much as Glasgow (ever)”?
And please, be very careful about who you are accusing of what. As a one time director and co-owner of Glasgow Speedway, I know what I am talking about.
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47 minutes ago, foreverblue said:
Shame he wasn't spoken to when he was at Poole!
He was. Several times but sadly it didn’t work. He kept himself to himself, used a mechanic based, I think, in Peterborough despite being offered the use of Middlo’s workshop.
I still like the guy but am sorry the way things went.
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34 minutes ago, Dornier fixer said:
Kasperzak was doing well at Belle Vue up until they sacked two riders to bring Crump in after that he lost all interest
don`t think he cared for Crump too much it was said at the time he got changed in his van.
Once again you malign a rider without worrying about the truth. KK had one bad meeting - the one away to Coventry when Crump returned. JC scored 15, KK, 2.
He was “spoken to” after that and his home scores after that - up until JC got injured - were 11+2, 12 and 11. To me, that’s not exactly losing interest.
And, if he changed in his van, he must have had a secret door from the changing rooms to the car park as he went in there in his day clothes, and came out in his race suit.
I am biased of course because he exceeded my expectations and was one of the most professional riders I had to deal with.
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2 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said:
Did Belle Vue dump him too ?
Absolutely not. He rode for BV in 2009 and, as Neil Watson found, was a great guy to work with. He and I would meet in the office before every home meeting and go through his pay slips to make sure he was happy everything was up to date, then, more often than not, he’d go out and score double figures.
But there is no doubt he is an enigma. When he rode at Poole in 2017 he just seemed to close up and no one - management, fans or fellow team members - could get through to him. Such a shame
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14 minutes ago, JCookie said:
What else, to ensure long term prosperity, did they do with it? Even if it wasn't entirely spent on one rider then a lot of it was. Nothing has been done to change the sport long term. 100k a club in a league of 8? 9? Will we ever see money like that again.
I’ve looked back at the old accounts for Belle Vue. There was no way that we would have paid one rider £100k in a season, even though we had Jason Crump (2008 and part of 2009) and Kasprzak (2009) at the top of their game. In 2009, our Sky income was just over £100k but we still lost about £65k. And that was for a team that finished bottom of the league which always keeps the wage bill down!
Even then -10+ years ago - Britain was the poorest payer amongst the countries with professional leagues. The Sky money kept us afloat, but it certainly didn’t encourage anyone to overpay for quality riders.
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On 2/5/2019 at 6:34 PM, erniew said:
I believe the airfence has to be inspected and certified as fit for purpose after 6 years, no doubt if I'm wrong, someone wil let me know!
Every track is inspected on a three yearly cycle and a new homologation certificate issued. The APD (referred to by some as the air fence) is looked at as part of that process but is formally inspected after six years. Depending on how the panels are stored, some APDs can still be fit for purpose after more than 10 years, others are fit for nothing after 6 or 7.
What tends to happen though, is that bags are repaired or replaced on a regular basis so an APD can last a very long time.
FIM rules are different. No bags more than 7 years old are permitted.
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8 minutes ago, acef said:
Okay. Perhaps he didn’t have as much sway as I suggested but the team was being built around him and Kenneth just didn’t get on with him. That’s basically the top and bottom of it.
When he was talking to Peterborough there was no sign of Jason leaving for Poole. Joe and Jason had, and still have, a very good relationship so you can understand from KBs point of view, why he would want to leave.
Whether you felt he owed us anything is immaterial, 2006 was a poisonous season in terms of broken relationships and as I said above, the time was right.
Whats done is done. It was a long time ago. I’m glad he’s back.
Even though he’s “ageing”!!
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10 minutes ago, acef said:
Opinions will differ GP depending on who’s point of view we are looking through. It’s no secret that he didn’t get on with Joe, and I think that was the main driver for his departure.
The damage was done before you arrived, and that potentially swayed his feelings towards you Chris and Gordon. The deal with Peterborough was done some time before I think, I’d heard he was going halfway through the season but that was purely speculation at the time.
It was the right time for him to go, but I think he’s always enjoyed racing for the club.
My comments, though, are not an opinion. They are a statement of facts.
How the ageing/aged KB chose to tell his side doesn’t matter. We wanted him, we believed he owed it to the fans to show loyalty after all the financial support he got in 2005.
He saw it differently. JC did not, could not influence us, Joe had no say in team building.
To be honest, we were desperate to get a team, any team, together. Have a look at the starting 1-7 and you’ll see what I mean. I wouldn’t embarrass Joe by suggesting he’d any say in the 2007 team!
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43 minutes ago, acef said:
A good friend of mine was one of his main sponsors at the time. I was privy to some of the happenings during that season and he was essentially forced out. Crump and Screen had full control of team affairs at that point. Said he’d never ride for that promotion again but was always happy to race at bv.
Hes alright is KB, had some terrible injuries but he seems more settled at bv than anywhere else.
What I have said is what happened. JC had no say in team building for 2007. Why would he? Tony Mole told me in July 2006 that Jason was going to Poole in 2007, which he did. By the time Chris, David and I bought BV from Tony, which was either late November or early December 2006, JC had already been named in Poole’s 2007 team.
We bust a gut to keep KB but he’d already done a deal, behind our backs, with Peterborough.
As far as referring to a 34 year old Joe Screen as “ageing” is concerned, I have no problem with that. We’re all ageing. But, out of courtesy and within the boundaries of consistency, perhaps you should refer to the “aged” soon to be 35 year old Kenneth Bjerre?!
One other point that I’ve just spotted - you say that “he’d never ride for that promotion again”. Which promotion? He’d never ridden for the Morton, Gordon, Pairman promotion and it was public knowledge that the Mole, Thomas promotion was selling up. There had been a series of articles in the Manchester Evening News, and, much to their annoyance and before a deal was agreed, Tony announced Chris and David at the end of season dinner dance as the future owners of Belle Vue.
So he wasn’t being asked to ride for “that” promotion.
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4 hours ago, ABS said:
Bjerre would have been very loyal to BV, given the chance. However, some years back, BV decided to build the team around an aging Joe Screen and not the up and coming Kenneth Bjerre. Not Kenneth's choice, but that is what happened. Despite this, he still never said a bad word about the club and was brilliant when he returned to he fold. I am sure his average will go up again riding at the best track in the country, once more.
If the “some years back” is referring coming in to the 2007 season, you have it entirely wrong.
When Chris Morton, David Gordon and I bought Belle Vue late on in 2006, we were resssured by BSPA that the other teams had been told to keep their hands off the 2006 team until we had put together a strong 1-7. We already knew that Jason Crump was going to ride for Poole, a deal done during the 2006 season, so needed every rider we could get our hands on.
Despite the assurances, the then Peterborough promotion defied everyone and signed Bjerre. I remember having a very heated phone conversation on Christmas Eve 2006 with the then BSPA Chairman, Peter Toogood about this but he basically said there’s was nothing that could be done.
Personally, I thought it all a shocking betrayal by the sports’ governing body and the rider. What I considered was particularly bad was that the BV faithful had supported the rider in 2005 after he broke his leg, a break that probably cost BV the league.
Now, I know that no rider can be forced to ride where he doesn’t want to, but I do believe they need to understand that loyalty is a two way matter.
As a final point, the “ageing Joe Screen” you referred to was 34 during the 2007 season - Kenneth Bjerre will be 35 during 2019
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2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:
Cam Heeps took rr irr and heat 15 tonight
It was only cup rules preventing him from getting the full set with a ts
Except he’d already had seven rides (update site is wrong) so, if it had been a league match, he couldn’t have done a TS as well. He rode in heats 3,5,6,8,9,12 & 15 scoring 1,3,2,3,1+1,3,1 for 14+1
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The article in the Star contained an error when it said that SR 18.14.3 states “A team member (#1-5) is subject to a maximum of four rides.....” The rule actually said “A team member (#1-5) is subject to a maximum of four PROGRAMMED (my capitals) rides....”
I can’t comment on the Leicester vs Swindon match as I don’t know the details but there has been a clarification issued by SCB that, in addition to the four programmed rides, a rider can also be nominated for any of RR, IRR, TS and heat 15 subject to having a maximum of 7 rides.
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7 hours ago, Skidder1 said:
Probably the 'Pairman' connection!!?
Not guilty m’lud! Came as a surprise to me. But a great choice. I reckon he’ll be motivated to do well.
He’s currently brushing up on his Scottish/English/Polish/Danish/Swedish dictionary!
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14 minutes ago, stevebrum said:
So why we're Wolves and Belle Vue, and Poole presumably told that Zagar, Piotr and Woffy were reassessed to 9 when they were planning to be used on their old averages from 2014-2016?
Seemingly what was a rule suddenly no longer applies. Yes folks, you really cannot make some of this stuff up.
I can’t tell you who was told what by whom. You need to ask each team’s promoters. I do know that one of the teams you mention was trying to sign one of the riders you mention and they believed that the rider would return on his historic average. The stumbling block would appear to have been financial rather than numerical.
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52 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:
Gordon when the rule was announced wouldn't it of been easier to do a list of everybody who might ride in the uk and show the public beforehand what there figure would be.How hard is that go to the list check ie) an example Lebedev rode for Kings Lynn what would he come in on? rules should be in black and white gospel no loopholes but they are not.
The thing is, there is no rule so nothing to announce.
The BSPA office keeps the list of historic averages although some promoters also keep a list. As these are changeable due to the MC’s power, a team will ask the office for a definitive average before finalising any signing.
Lebedevs is a good case to look at - my recollection is he didn’t fare too well at KL so potentially could come back on an unrealistically low average. It would be up to the MC at the time how to assess him now.
On a slightly different point, I have often wondered if it would be better, in our average driven leagues, whether or not, for team building, averages were rounded up or down to the nearest 0.5. That way, there would no longer be the chase for the last decimal point in team building.
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I used the phrase “in most instances” because BSPA Management Committee have the final say on averages for individual rider averages - think Andreas Jonsson when he returned to Lakeside on a lower average as his historic CMA was thought to be too high.
I am not aware where the suggestion that there was a “9 point rule” came from and have never seen anything in writing saying it had been agreed.
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Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA
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43 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said:
So people were interested enough in the prospect of Speedway to double your crowd? That sounds like an excellent result.
Did you attempt to attain any feedback from those new customers as to why they wouldn't/didn't come back?
I would suggest that the reasons were: 1. The racing spectacle was virtually none existent, how many heats any had passing beyond the back straight of lap 1? Quite possibly none.
2. And very much a secondary reason would be that the presentation would be rather low-key.
The conclusion to come is that people are not interested in watching boring, processional "races" with little to no passing, or anything resembling any drama.
Of course at Belle Vue, you now have an excellent advantage over every other club in the country, i.e. the best Speedway track.
You draw some rather unnecessarily offensive conclusions based on what can only be surmise, ignorance and prejudice. Why did you do that when I was trying to be open?
And, pray tell me, how would you expect us to find those that turned up the first week but not the second?
I was simply stating facts. We picked the fixture and worked flat out promoting the night. My recollection, bearing in mind that this was some time ago, was that the atmosphere was superb and the crowd reaction gave us the impetus to repeat it. I also remember how deflated we were the following week.
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