Crump99

Posted this elsewhere in February: figured it out long ago. "If Tomalin is putting money in for not a lot whilst allowing Chapman & Co to serve up their usual dogs, accompanied by rubbish PR for their paying customers, then he's the usual good businessman in his field but out of his depth in the speedway environment of shark infested custard?"

Not the brightest suggestion at the moment with imminent sight of the AEPG plan submitted to council. We need some cool heads, club cohesion and targetted opposition, if need be, based on that submission and the local plan; not some here today, gone tomorrow stunt. Great idea to shout everybody out but who's waiting to come in to do what's necessary? Yes the club appears rudderless but I'm sure that others with more enthusiasm are paying close attention to our plight.

Why? I'm sure that when he stood on the centre green with the club facing a July 2023 deadline and no future season, I'd say that most supporters would have taken that scenario for the prize of a 2023 season? All he said was that it would give the club additional time to find a new home that would hopefully be the equal of the EoES. There was no mention (that I can remember) of any hope of an EoES extension even though the developers' plans had yet to be submitted or that the local plan was in place with its provision for existing facilities/users ie. Peterborough Speedway presumably? I'm in no way saying that's what happened or was negotiated but at the time I wouldn't call that mental.

Say that he did a deal with the landlords that got us a 2023 season with the proviso to go quietly when the season finished and not make a fuss in-between?

Don't buy that any more and it doesn't make sense.

At 79 and enjoying himself in the sport of kings and elsewhere no doubt, I very much doubt that he'd want to get involved unless Julie is a bit bored and wants a new hobby. We'll be doubly nice to them this time, not a worthless bunch in sight

Wasn't that fight tonight supposed to be witnessed at the new 20,000 all seater stadium the club were supposed to be in for the 2023 season (spot the similarities there). A team that underperformed all season is just doing what it should following managerial change. Panthers team could have all of the fight in the world but you can't polish the **** that was served up for starters.

That was my thinking. It seems to be a pretty low bar to become a member.

Lack of use and interest? Just the sort of thing AEPG need to bulldoze the speedway infrastructure and claim that there isn't the interest to save it or provide an alternative elsewhere: excellent negotiating policy and position!

Who is they? I've no idea who is running the show. The only person with responsibility and authority appears to be happy just to go through the motions for another 14 weeks.

Bit strong, but actions are not matching those intentions, let's put it like that! Hopefully their behind the scenes work to save the club has more substance to it than the rhetoric about saving the season, which is all but over before the middle of May.

Well a month sure is a long time in speedway - From our club statement a month ago: "we can only stress that the club needs you more than ever at this moment. We are not giving up, so please do not give up on us. As a management team, we feel it is best to be completely open and honest with everyone and explain the situation, however difficult things are, and we will continue to do this over the coming weeks. We remain committed to having the best season we can, and if it is to be our last season we want everyone to have fun, make memories and enjoy the racing at one of the best tracks and finest venues in the sport." Doesn't really agree with best efforts and keeping the supporters onboard? Given that we've already lost to Ippo at the EoES I'm not sure what killing the first leg due to lack of effort is going to help with the racing, fun and memories for semi-final 2?

It'll be the latter IMO (although some may belong to the supporters club?) because nothing is going to happen without a fight and unless there is something that we don't know then I think that Chapman potentially did his negotiating last year and is just running the clock down without a fuss as agreed? Time will tell. It might change in a couple of weeks when we see the AEPG planning application.

Hasn't Chapman said enough times that he wants out? Every time Peterborough has been in this position over the years (when the infrastructure wasn't under threat) we were always told that there isn't a queue of buyers (usually one if you're lucky) lining up to take over the club. If Tomalin is interested, and I'm not convinced that he is, then Chapman's options are to at least take something for the pension fund (yes he may lose out a bit but that's far from certain and possibly based on a lengthy fight and pipe dream) or lose the only interest he's likely to get and end up with nothing.

The silent happy clappers & noisy keyboard warriors scenario has been going on as long as I've been on the internet. Just remind them that in 16 weeks their pain will be over and they'll have to find something else to do/support, for ever. I'd be interested to know who penned this: "we can only stress that the club needs you more than ever at this moment. We are not giving up, so please do not give up on us" because that really is a two way situation and the management team are basically creating an atmosphere on and off track where everyone does indeed just give up on them.

Pedant! On checking though you are correct (The Whisky Priest). The Google search took me to that quote with the wrong show detailed If only Peterborough Speedways problems could be corrected so easily

The club is clearly following The Four Stage Strategy as explained in the first episode of Yes, Prime Minister - we're at 3.5 now: In stage one we say “nothing is going to happen” In stage two we say “something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it” In stage three we say “maybe we should do something about it, but there’s nothing we can do” In stage four we say “maybe there’s something we could have done, but it’s too late now”

Our club was doing fine until Holdergate. Chapman allegedly needed clubs to make up the numbers, no more than that IMO. He's been pretty well AWOL and silent ever since takeover, always allegedly continually wanting out and leaving others to run the show but then usually showing up when there is something to break. If the likes of Oakes, Frost, Rathbone etc had been running Peterborough Speedway then they would be out there fighting hard to keep the club going. What have we heard from the current owner? One centre green message at the end of last season saying that he'd secured the 2023 season, but at what cost? He's been silent ever since. We get Mick Bratley on local radio fighting hard for the club which says much about the current administration?

Is that the one allegedly still interested in buying the club? He must be pretty confident in his position and there must be a lot of work going on behind the scenes because from the outside looking in (and the club has admitted as such) it's 16 weeks left of a season worse than 2022 (and that's some trick) before the club folds for good? I'm all for waiting to see the submitted AEPG plan but if we've got anything to counter their position and our impending demise then it's about time to put something out there. The only "dramatic change of circumstances" will come initially from public opposition so if the club really is serious about not continuing just to roll over then that stink needs to start pdq. He needs to reply to the message telling them to get a shift on.

On what basis? It's going to need to be a bit more factually constructive and targetted than a bit of noise. We're history in 16 weeks

The club was equally at fault, if not more so as they didn't need to gamble on an injured 45/46 year old. If this didn't set alarm bells ringing then I don't know what would: Pedersen admits that since his last hip fracture, he has had to prepare wisely - I used to run a lot. I like to do it, but at the moment I'm cycling instead. Even though I don't have any pain now, the long term concern is not to cause any damage and not to let my pelvic pain come back. I broke it, which affected my left leg. Everything is in the right place, but now, instead of pushing it while running, it is better to put less pressure on the pelvis by cycling, concludes Nicki Pedersen. sportowefakty 23/2/23

Fair point although not clear that such provision appears in the local plan, but no doubt PCC would look favourably to any planning application aligned with the climate cult & Net Zero disaster. The nearest item in the plan appears to be Policy LP31: "Renewable and Low Carbon Energy Low Carbon Energy". If they didn't want Peterborough Speedway to survive at the EoES or elsewhere in the city then it'd be interesting to know who initiated LP30 "Existing Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities" and why it was included? They'd have been well aware in 2019 of any minimal environmental impact.

True. Remember at the public meeting the other week as well when they told residents not to discuss things on social media. I see that it's also all going a bit Pete Tong with Truckfest as well? Had to laugh a this: Councillor Julie Stevenson, one of the area’s representatives on Peterborough City Council, said: “This is part of the problem with transport management here. "When we get a huge influx of drivers from elsewhere in the country they're not necessarily aware that the area round the Showground is now very much more residential than it was a decade ago. "Residents of Orton Southgate and Orton Northgate are experiencing huge delays getting in and out of their homes today. And that's just one small event. AEPG want to flood the area daily 24/7

I did think that but they are getting more vocal in the local press and that needs to be challenged (mud sticks, however seemingly unrealistic), even with that proviso that everyone needs to see their planning proposal so that it can be checked against the provisions within the PCC local plan.

Look at his smiling face - he doesn't believe it either And as for “We want this to be something that Peterborough is incredibly proud of and which stands out as unique and UK leading.” - we've already got that, it's called Peterborough Speedway so hopefully PCC do their job and tell AEPG where to get off!