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Firstly, I don't think that it's pedantic to explore this topic properly; it is a genuine, and very interesting question. However, I think that it is a little pedantic to criticise Bob for an obvious typo (we all knew what it meant), particularly when you post a statement such as, "if your going to be so pedantic about it all". With your knowledge, Jim, I'm sure that you can really be of assistance on a thread like this, so it would be nice if we could all concentrate on the subject in hand. Steve

No-one's questioning the right of a rider to merit a testimonial, and neither are we trying to discover who spent 15 years with one club; unfortunately the title of the thread here IS everything. We are just trying to discover those few individuals who spent their entire career (or British career, at least) with just one club. Everyone has to start somewhere, but again, we are not necessarily discussing riders who were "going all the way to the top". There have been some who started out in the lower leagues, and never progressed beyond that, and there are those (like Kelvin Tatum, Andy Smith, and many foreigners) who started out in the top tier. Steve

Sorry Jim, but I'm not. As has been stated, he appeared for Sheffield in 1950. Anyway, you're up late tonight! Steve

Absolutely correct, Jim. I just had the feeling that he'd ridden for at least one other Northern club. Steve

Naturally, but that's not really what this thread is about. If Ronnie Moore and Ron Johnston can be discounted - much as we would like to remember them as one-track riders - then PC has to go too. Sorry, Jim. Steve

Actually, if you go back to frigbo's post - "Glasgow and Exeter at home, last two League Meetings." - that would appear to clear it up. Steve

For some reason, I have this niggling doubt about Ron Johnston; I just seem to recall him riding for someone else. No problem. It's not so much that, but you do you realis how many riders would be eligible if we included all time-spans? Riders like Josef Kafel, Jan Puk, Wieslaw Patynek, Alf Jonsson, Leif Soderberg, Keith Chrisco, Rauli Makinen, Stefan Kwoczala, Walter Grubmuller, Buddy Robinson, Antti Pajari, and even the much-maligned Timmy Joe Shepherd! Good call. Steve

Ta muchly... Steve

Okay, is there anyone out there who can solve this puzzle? Steve

Brian was one of my first thoughts, but he also rode a number of matches for White City in '76 and '77. Steve

I had already thought of Hans, but it was for less than two full seasons. As we said, there will be a bunch of riders whose British career spanned no more than two years, who would qualify. After all, while you're at it, you could include Tony Briggs, Denny Pyeatt, and Pierre Brannefors. That also opens the door for Brad Oxley, Mats Olsson, Jan Henningsen etc... Steve

According to "The Complete History of the British League", he also appeared twice in 1986. Steve

Was Brian Andersen anything other than a Bee? Steve

Doing fine thanks, Bob, although it is Cahokia with a 'C'! Geoff Mudge also rode for Reading and Newport. A couple of possibles for four years (which seems pretty good at the moment) are Crayford are Jack Bibby and Richard Davey. I'm also thinking that Chris Chaplin spent all his time (four years again) at Rye? Steve

It was just an idea... It does seem to be a struggle, doesn't it? Steve

As I said, Bob, there are plenty who only had a relatively short British career, but when you start getting over 5 years, they do get rare. How about Greg Kentwell, though? Steve

Is that really you, mate? Last time I saw you, you never had a computer, and didn't know anything about them! Anyway, thanks for the info. Hope you're enjoying your retirement. Steve

I've already responded with regard to Nathan, but I clean forgot about MK for Dennis. Hey, it was late when I posted that... Sorry... Steve

Well, yeah, but that's only because the team moved venue... I know what you mean though... The thing is, I believe he was given "special dispensation" to ride for Coventry while he was over here, so I agree with you there. Steve

...and Oxford... Just thought of Nathan Simpson and Dennis Mallett, and what about Peter Reading and Dave Durham? Steve

Actually, there are going to be quite a few who stayed with just one club during a relatively short British career, such as Bruce Penhall. Do we impose a minimum British career, say 10 years? If it's less than that but at least five years from start to finish, those that spring to mind (assuming I'm correct) are : Edward Jancarz, Zenon Plech, Rick Timmo (I think), Odd Fossengen, Andy Meldrum... Steve

As far as I know Bob (and I'm sure you'll soon get some replies from some who still get the magazine), Philip Rising is the current editor of the SS. Don't know about Paul Parish... Steve

Brad's been kept busy running things down at Costa Mesa, taking over from dad Harry quite a few years back. Don't know about Anders, though... Steve

Round 1 was held at Bradford, on May 12, with the competing teams being England, Australia, New Zealand, and Finland. England won (with 42 points), and the scorers were : Kenny Carter 11, Jeremy Doncaster 11, Kelvin Tatum 11, Phil Collins 9, Chris Morton DNR. Richard Knight only appeared in the final at Long Beach. Steve

I didn't know that, but I sure thought it looked like him... Looks like we have another confirmation, then. Steve