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Who suggested that? They are 9.00 riders so should not be.

Wrong decision, if so.

Thanks. Yes, I think this is going to cause a major problem. http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/DE47D3810B3EB1575DE713CC93B288A5/pdf/S_RES_18_0027-BARRATT_HOMES-653036.pdf

Is there a link to these objections anywhere? I've always been relatively positive about this happening, but once the developers start objecting then the slope gets more slippery. At the moment, literature online makes it clear that the stadium is right next door and lists it as a local amenity. One thing, I think, that Swindon have in their favour over clubs like Reading and Coventry is an enthusiastic and determined promotion, plus a lot of backing from the local government. If this does fall through I feel that there will, eventually, be another track built somewhere. I do wonder if they shouldn't be looking at options down that route anyway just in case.

They changed before this year. I think it was last year, but may even have been the year before. I remember reading about it. Those riders would have been ruled out last year too. (Edit - it was January 2015 - http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3924/british-speedway-in-visa-crisis )

There has been no change in rule. As mentioned above, last year no rider had a top tier average, with everyone having one single average. As a result, everyone was eligible for the lower tier and some riders took advantage of that. This rule has been in effect for as long as I can remember - riders over 6.00 in the top tier cannot drop down. With regards the riders from overseas, the new visa restrictions were pretty well publicised a couple of years back.

Other example of races continuing include Ivan falling in the 1973 run-off and Egon Muller's tumble in the 1976 final.

I was there, supporting Jan, too. I remember thinking he looked absolutely terrified on the truck at the beginning!

I think he played for it, actually, to try and get a re-run. Didn't he stay down on the track, too, to get the race stopped but the ref let it carry on?

If that's the case, he managed to negotiate getting it on another channel. I think people have always been unfair to TR regarding speedway on TV. If he made money out of it, so what? We were able to watch a lot of televised speedway over the years because of it, so hopefully this will now continue despite some promotions apparently being against it.

They seemed a lot happier paying for it when Terry was involved. People can comment all they like about Terry Russell, but when he was negotiating TV deals there was regular speedway on the box from the start of the season to the finish and very few doubts about whether or not there would be.

Hans must be top, in 85 or 86, when he scored that remarkable 12.00 average away from home. When you rode against Oxford in those days, it was as much about whether or not anyone could beat Hans as it was against actually winning. I think Jimmy Nilsen beat him a few times if memory serves me correct. Plus, of course, Carl Blackbird!

I agree, it's nonsense, although I think all they are seeing is low attendance on covered meetings sometimes. However, it has been shown several times, that if a meeting is promoted properly then you will get a good crowd at a televised meeting.

Peter Collins' win in 1976 made front page news in the Daily Mirror.

Mauger was top man a bit later, too. I started going in 74 and remember him as the best. One of my speedway highlights is seeing him at Exeter and leaning over the fence as he came hurtling down the home straight. The only rider who has dominated league racing in the same way, for me, is Hans Neilsen. Those two were remarkable, but Mauger had a World Championship edge that Hans never quite had, despite winning 4 titles.

Out of interest, what is it they are bitching about? Is it likely to affect the deal?

Who wins if the final is 3-3?

I believe the lease was shortened because they never invested in the stadium.

I don't agree that the girls that do the starts at Swindon are doing anything sexual or wearing anything skimpy. They are just part of the presentation. There is an element of it with the GPs though. I don't think the tv companies help matters with some of their camera angles either.

Getting a bus from the town centre is fine if you live in Swindon. I love 25 miles away, and if I go I have to get home from work and then drive to Swindon. I normally get there about 7.20, just in time to park and go in. I can see people getting there early to get a parking space, leaving nowhere to park by the time I arrive and without time to go to the town centre and getting a bus.

I give up. You all win. He should have got a visa.

They don't need to give a reason. He does not fit the criteria for a visa. That's all the reason they need. They haven't moved any goalposts. They have stayed within the exact original criteria. My opinion might chsnge if someone can conclusively prove that UKVI gave an endorsment, which has been suggested. Otherwise, it's a case of people complaining about something they have nothing to complain about. I am kind of repeating myself now. Time to agree to disagree, methinks. discretionary dɪˈskrɛʃ(ə)n(ə)ri/ adjective available for use at the discretion of the user. "there has been an increase in year-end discretionary bonuses" synonyms: optional, non-compulsory, voluntary, at one's discretion, up to the individual, non-mandatory, elective, open to choice; open, unrestricted; permissive; rarediscretional

And it's at their discretion whether they give them or not. He has no right to a visa, and, by keeping the cut off point clear, they are keeping the goalposts stationary. Sorry. Duh me, eh? Wish I knew what discretionary meant.

No. I'm not dumb. I know what discretionary means.

The reason is clear. It is an easy concept to understand. Criteria for a visa for a USA is finishing in top 4 of the national championship. The reason is, he didn't.