speedyguy

You really are not strong on genealogy. Suggest that you do a few google searches!

Because family lines are always male descendents - Neil Street grandfather, then unrelated bloodline Phil Crump, direct blodline Jason Crump to Phil Crump...indirect line back to Neil Street via his mother. Therefore NOT three generations.

See the previous message. I couldn't link the quotes!

You are correct. P1928 is wrong in a more recent Post. But it's useless pursuing it with him...he just does not give up!

I think this has been known. There was a song that went somehow: "I'm my own grandpa. It sound funny I know but it really is so - I'm my own grandpa." I can't remember the rest of it, but it went on to explain how through cross-marriage this had happened. But let's get back to speedway - unless anyone can recall the rest of the song?

Thanks. I think that neatly sums up this three generation debate.

Not so gyneacology-wise or in regard to legal inheritance laws - or Royalty. It's nice to have a new definition on the BSF. Try to make your reasoning stand up in a court of law!

Three generations should be direct family line - grandfather, son, grandson. Phil Crump married into the Street family - he is not a direct descendant of Neil Street, Jason Crump's direct line comes via his mother - Phil's wife.

Sadly, not really correct. As explained Neil Street, Phil Crump and Jason Crump ARE NOT three generations. It's impossible for them to be this.

It's more than likely that Alan Grahame did ride against that threesome - at different times!

I doubt if Alan Grahame rode against Alec 'Farmer' Grant, Rob then Rob Grant. Alec Grant was last around aas a rider in the very early 1950s. Possibly he did race against the two Robs. And I would query the three Allotts as well - with Guy very unlikely to have been in action against Alan Grahame (big chance for someone to prove me wrong )

Not strictly a direct line familywise. Neil Street grandfather of Jason Crump. Phil Crump married into Street family and is father of Jason - that we all know. Three generations surely in a case like this would be a grandfather, his bloodline son, the grandson. Sorry, this family paralell is not correct IMO but it is interesting to raise the topic.

Yah! Boo! Spoilsport! I am taking my toys home!

What's happened? This thread seems to have duplicated itself in some places with the same messages!

Timmy Jo Sheppherd - no luck with Hackney in the mid-1970s. Failed in the UK in 1970s, then went on to win the US Open Championship and, I think, the Indianna State Championship. He had a good reputation on the USA's East Coast and in Canada going on into the early 1990s. Probably came too early in his career to the UK, as maybe Ricky Wells may have done.

There are now details of London team squads from 1929-39 (except) for 1930, and many similar lists from 1946 onwards to be found on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Also listed are items regarding the World Championship, The Star Riders Championship, British Riders Championship, many local track championships, test match details (in process of updating) and much other matter regarding the sport in London from 1928-2005. A lot of the material on the site is being constantly updated, But if you ever followed a London club or the sport in the capital, there's hopefully something of interest for you. And, like all discussion type groups, input from speedway followers is always welcomed.

Before nearly demolishing everything on the centre green during a practice session at California-in-England in the 1957-58 winter, I signed a little girl's autograph album. Is there anywhere I might get my speedway memoirs published? I had good tutors over three or four years - at various times Maury McDermott, Jim Chalkley, Vic Ridgeon, Al Sparrey, Pat Flanagan, George Bason and Al Holliday. They all told me virtually the same thing in so many words - "We have never seen anyone like you on a speedway bike!"

I have noticed in otherwise excellent books dealing with the history of various clubs that a qualification of six matches is being used for points scorers in a season. While I can accept the logic for this when it comes to formulating a table, it does mean that many riders are not being recognised as havingridder for a club, which means they are not historically mentioned. I think that authors of such books should, while adhering to the six match criteria for compiling scoring tables, could also add a line for "also rode" giving the rider's name, matches, points scored, and an average. For all that, these tables are much better than the formula used in Stenners annual which was a surname only - first names never mentioned in either teams for a season or in points scored during a match. It means that with the prgression of time, the increasing loss of records, that historians in 50 years time (if there's still speedway) will have problems in regard to matching surname to a rider. Take Parker for an example - in the 1940-50s, there was Jack Parker, Norman Parker, Dennis Parker, Len Parker, Alf Parker. In the Stenners records they all appear as Parker. Another example is Wilson - we have had Bronco, Bill, Brian Wilson. There's been Charlie and Cyril Page, Fred and Frank Evans. And what about Wright - Jimmy and Jack. Doubtless more cases of multiple surnames can be found.

Thanks to a Canadian member, the following tracks now have a champions list on http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi Crayford, Crystal Palace, Hackney, Harringay, New Cross, Romford. Rye House, West Ham, Wembley, Wimbledon. In some cases, the winners lists go back to the late 1920s. Corrections/amendments are being sought in some cases.

Just to update: more database on championship winners at Hackney, Harringay, New Cross, West Ham and Wimbledon have been added to http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi They include details from the early 1930s.

Many thanks for this information.

Major individual events on London tracks in the 'good old days' were The Laurels at Wimbledon, the Cundy Trophy at West Ham, and the prestigious London Riders Championship at New Cross. Were there similar events at Harringay, Wembley, Walthamstow? Did Wimbledon, West Ham and New Cross have other championships run on an annual basis besides those mentioned? http://londonspeedways.proboards.com/index.cgi is keen to update its results base for this type of event and would appreciate any help that might be available in compiling this. Thank you.

The list of Cundy Trophy winners at West Ham is now on the London Speedways site - thanks to one of its members in Canada!

By John Hyam (South London Press) ‘COVENTRY’S TWO SPEEDWAYS’ From: Colin Parker, 59 Clinton Lane, Kenilworth, Warwickshire, CV8. Phone queries to: 01926 854 852. Email: colineparker@tiscali.co.uk Softback, 192 pages, 155 illustrations (30 taken at the two Coventry tracks, some in sepia). Limited print run, unlikely to be repeated. £14.99 plus £1.76 postage, packing. All proceeds to the Speedway Riders Benevolent Fund. THE book deals with the history of the Brandon and Lythalls Lane tracks in Coventry from 1928 until the outbreak of war in September 1939. Among riders mentioned is Tommy Farndon in his years at Lythalls and Brandon. There is also a short chapter on the 1935 season when Farndon died after an accident at New Cross. The book carries 18 action and portrait photos of Farndon as well as a photo of his autograph. The book also includes what is regarded as one of speedway’s greatest classic photos, a 1930 action shot taken at Wimbledon of Australian stars Vic Huxley and Billy Lamont. Author Colin Parker said: “What I've done is to include just about every known photo of the two Coventry tracks and then add a few of the very best from elsewhere, but only when relevant to the story. “The cover photo is a good sepia pic of the classic Tom Farndon versus Dickie Case British championship decider in 1935.” There is also a short four-page final chapter on midget cars which ran at Coventry from 1937 to 1939. The photos include one of cars and drivers lined up at Lea Bridge; a 1938 'Brandon Car Speedway' programme cover; an action shot of Charlie Pashley leading Walter Mackereth at Brandon; and a photo of Pashley and other drivers inspecting a Skirrow midget car at Brandon. NOTE: It is hoped that a fuller review of the book will be available in a few days time.

What a great memory! I really like it.