BOBBATH

Thanx v. much Tigerowl-was under the impression that Arthur Payne had passed- tho may be wrong.

Thanx folks the thread was indeed about oldest surviving World Finalists so it sounds like 1-Roger 2-Clarke(I didn't know that) 3 -Waterman 4 -Dunton. Interesting stuff on the oldest Champions also.

With the sad passing of Louis-as before Cyril Roger is the oldest surviving World Finalist, Split Waterman is second-so who is the third oldest-I reckon it must be Fred Williams(who is also the oldest surviving World Champ.)?? Do others e.g. Norbold agree??

Nice story Steve Turner-what say you Norbold I reckon we should crown Harry Huntly as the tallest ever!!!!!!!!!

I agree with Norbold on this one-my vote is for Johnnie Chamberlain.

Karl Denver-other hits included Marcheta, Indian Love Call,Mexicali Rose, Never Goodbye all in 62-63-learn such interesting stuff on this website dontcha-I think I'll see if I can find anything on youtube on him!!!!!Also to IRIS123 mentioning flesh coloured tights and spangly outfits-leave my mum out of this please!!

Norbold, I am here never fear and perusing these posts with interest!!BTW does anyone recall Karl Denver the singer(Wimoweh etc etc)

Thanx Matt-have joined your website-greatly appreciate the work you guys have done-and also for answering my inquiry so comprehensively-I really appreciate that.

Just got my much anticipated autumn issue-what a great magazine it is. I noticed in the articles on Nigel, Louis and Vic their CMA's(Calculated Match Averages )are given for the years before 1965-which I thought was the first year they were calculated(by Brian Seery).This must mean someone has done a lot of historical research(these stats are credited to Matt Jackson and Hugh Vass). I think that is a great contribution to the history of speedway.THis leads me to a question-can anyone tell me who topped the NL CMA's from seasons 1946 thru 1964, and the PL CMA's 1960 thru 1964-this would be great to know-65 on I have the data.This may also throw further light on the potential GP World Champions for the years it was a one off!!. Anyway it was great to see the stats in the Classic Speedway mag-could it indeed (the CMA champions) be the subject in a further issue??

R.I.P. Louis

On the Speedway Plus website , a column by Philip mentioned that Louis had recently died-can anyone confirm??. Louis was one of the three surviving finalists from the 1949 World Final and if true only Cyril Roger and Split Waterman would still be with us.

I think Michanek would have been better over a GP series than one off-he cleaned up practically every open meeting after 73 WF-I'll go with Briggs 67, but Michanek 73

How about Knutsson in 64 and 65 and Briggs in 66, Mauger 67 thru 70,Olsen in 71 and 72

I'd say Fundin for 62 as well-agree with unbroken run for Ove 56 thru 63

After in depth review of Stenners for 1951-I hereby change my vote to Young from Lawson

I vote for Langton in 36-agree with all the others thru 50, then Lawson 1951, Young 52 and 53 , Moore 54 and 55.

I agree with Warren for 1950, agree also with 46,47,48 suggestions-wot about 49 tho??

I retract my comments for 1937-Jack it is,I guess we are all agreed on Bluey for 1938-so what about 1949-don't think it should have been Tommy-how about Jack Parker??

1937 should have been Cordy Milne-more consistent than Jack or Wilbur!!!!!!!!!!

Saw all those riders except Peter Craven and Len Silver-what memories.All welcome guests at Somerton Park-never got to Brough but saw the wonderful Diamonds team of 64 and 65. By the way in 64 I think Newcastle had the largest number of riders in PLRC Final-Ivan, Bill Andrew,Ken Sharples and Pete Kelly.

I agree with Michanek for both 73 and 74.

No problemo third man-would assume Harwood went to great speedway track in sky long time ago-anyone know about Harwood and when he died-think he rode primarily for Leicester?Apologies if Harwood is still with us.

Thirdman, I think it was Harwood(not Hereward) Pike

Who is Justin Elkins anyway??

What about Alby Golden and Len Silver!!