Sings4Speedway Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 minute ago, ruckerroo said: tbh if plymouth are budget driven cluff prob ought too have gone over trigger , much of a muchness . I don't know the ins and outs of visa sponsored riders but recall hearing that even if released the club would still be responsible for accommodations and basic wage for the remainder of the season.......which does beg the question why clubs are so ready to take gambles on riders in the first place 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, SaddlebowRoad said: id love to know who this imaginary eight points rider is youd imagine getting anyone that good to commit to a saturday track half way through the season is nigh on impossible Covatti??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 4 hours ago, Gladiatorphil said: Will Ben continue to ride for the Centurians now ? Plymouth, to a certain extent, have Ben over a barrel really. I don't know if Ben wants to continue to ride for the Centurions or not. Who would blame him if he didn't. He doesn't have any choice really. If he decides not to, then he would be deemed to be "withholding his services" and would receive a 28 day ban. That would mean missing out on his Leicester Lion Cub meetings for a month, as well as, possibly, restricting getting another championship place in the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, torpointfanatic22 said: Well it's the job of the management and promotion to go out and find one. maybe theyve looked and one doesnt exist hence klima signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 Maybe there's more to the Workington issue than all the best guessing and speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 3 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: Maybe there's more to the Workington issue than all the best guessing and speculation. Wrong thread possibly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 8 minutes ago, lewy said: Wrong thread possibly But maybe as people are speculating about Plymouth having 8ish points to play with to strengthen. People are also best guessing and speculating about Workington. Worst case scenario for Workington and the Sport in the UK, is Workington close. If that happens if my maths is correct that would mean seven riders looking for employment. Some of whom could possibly strengthen Plymouth if fixtures etc fitted their itinerary. All speculation on my part of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 10 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: But maybe as people are speculating about Plymouth having 8ish points to play with to strengthen. People are also best guessing and speculating about Workington. Worst case scenario for Workington and the Sport in the UK, is Workington close. If that happens if my maths is correct that would mean seven riders looking for employment. Some of whom could possibly strengthen Plymouth if fixtures etc fitted their itinerary. All speculation on my part of course Apologies mate,I got the wrong end of the stick. Even me wouldn't want Plymouth to strengthen up at the expense of losing another track,don't think it will come to that and Workington can resume there season  6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 23 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I don't know the ins and outs of visa sponsored riders but recall hearing that even if released the club would still be responsible for accommodations and basic wage for the remainder of the season.......which does beg the question why clubs are so ready to take gambles on riders in the first place Personally, I think that should be the case for all riders, not just visa sponsored ones. Riders are self employed and sign a contract to ride for a club for a season. If the club decide to release them, the club should pay them for every meeting that they are available for until they sign for another club in the same league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarongaleuk Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 In other news...can we all agree that if this weekends home fixture is postponed due to the weather (as it is forecast be very poor) that there wouldn't have been a Plymouth home fixture for 2 months by the time the next fixture is on!!! That's 28th May - 26th July without a fixture....that is only 2 postponements aswell. There are fans all over the south-west chomping at the bit to spend their money watching Speedway. Nothing good about that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 (edited) 18 hours ago, leander said: Personally, I think that should be the case for all riders, not just visa sponsored ones. Riders are self employed and sign a contract to ride for a club for a season. If the club decide to release them, the club should pay them for every meeting that they are available for until they sign for another club in the same league. I wouldn't go as far as that, but I think dropped riders should get some form of compensation. For example if Trigger wanted to leave Plymouth he'd get a 28 day ban, so if Plymouth drop Trigger pay him (his average) for any Plymouth matches in the next 28 days (unless he gets signed elsewhere)? Edited July 2 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 21 hours ago, leander said: Personally, I think that should be the case for all riders, not just visa sponsored ones. Riders are self employed and sign a contract to ride for a club for a season. If the club decide to release them, the club should pay them for every meeting that they are available for until they sign for another club in the same league. Do their contracts state they're being hired for the season? If they do, then fair enough, but otherwise this is a crazy idea. It's the same in almost every business - if you're contracted and you're not adequate or don't deliver then you'll be chopped. If a rider's contract doesn't state they're employed for the season - and are therefore at risk of having the contract terminated - they could always just not sign it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 42 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said: Do their contracts state they're being hired for the season? If they do, then fair enough, but otherwise this is a crazy idea. It's the same in almost every business - if you're contracted and you're not adequate or don't deliver then you'll be chopped. If a rider's contract doesn't state they're employed for the season - and are therefore at risk of having the contract terminated - they could always just not sign it. Employment and speedway contracts can draw very few parallels and indeed speedway contracts are seldom worth the cigarette packets they are written on. Literally financial data no targets, or average thresholds for acceptable performance. Even then there are often riders who are over performing but get dropped as part of the numbers game. My major issue has always been visa'd riders, Australasians in particular receive guaranteed wages and accommodation as part of the visa requirements whereas a British passport holder receives non of that and therefore potentially has to juggle work and the sport actually putting them at a disadvantage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I wouldn't go as far as that, but I think dropped riders should get some form of compensation. For example if Trigger wanted to leave Plymouth he'd get a 28 day ban, so if Plymouth drop Trigger pay him (his average) for any Plymouth matches in the next 28 days (unless he gets signed elsewhere)? I think that's a good idea,pay them based on their average for 28days or less if they find Another club in time. Definitely should be implemented for those riders used as the make weight in a 2 rider change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Employment and speedway contracts can draw very few parallels and indeed speedway contracts are seldom worth the cigarette packets they are written on. Literally financial data no targets, or average thresholds for acceptable performance. Even then there are often riders who are over performing but get dropped as part of the numbers game. My major issue has always been visa'd riders, Australasians in particular receive guaranteed wages and accommodation as part of the visa requirements whereas a British passport holder receives non of that and therefore potentially has to juggle work and the sport actually putting them at a disadvantage. A guarantee may put Australians at an advantage, but generally they do turn up, tend to be quick learners and good racers. The problem with a lot of young Brits is they think they're the biggest thing since powdered milk once they have the sign written van and a bit of eye candy on their arm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladiatorphil Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Triple.H. said: A guarantee may put Australians at an advantage, but generally they do turn up, tend to be quick learners and good racers. The problem with a lot of young Brits is they think they're the biggest thing since powdered milk once they have the sign written van and a bit of eye candy on their arm. That is quite a derogatory statement on many levels and to many people. Maybe think your choice of words before pressing the keys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Gladiatorphil said: That is quite a derogatory statement on many levels and to many people. Maybe think your choice of words before pressing the keys ? You may think it's derogatory, but in the many years of following the sport i've seen it happen many a time. Sometimes the truth hurts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: You may think it's derogatory, but in the many years of following the sport i've seen it happen many a time. Sometimes the truth hurts I would say it's bang on imo,Aussies come over here and have to prove themselves where as some not all young brits think they are entitled, but they soon get found out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 There are always 2 sides of a coin in any situation. Obviously there are plenty of Aussies who have come over, grafted and taken the chance presented to them.....there have also been plenty of bang average ones who have had a season or two basically having a paid for holiday. The same as Brits, there are plenty of flashy showy youngsters about with all the idea and ego although to be fair its often the parents (with deep pockets) who have enabled this......there are also the ones who do genuinely try and focus on the job at hand and can be just as successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 (edited) I see Fredriksen is guesting for Oxford at Glasgow. If Plymouth are serious about a play-offs push then Oxford are their direct rivals for a play-off spot (Glasgow are secure imo). While I don't expect Oxford to pick up points at Glasgow, if they do then Lasse's hurting Plymouth's chances I'd say. Edit: I don't think Plymouth will get anywhere near 4th, so no harm in him guesting for their "play-offs rivals" Edited July 3 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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