King's Lynn Stars 2025

[SuperStarsFan91]

4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

What's the advantage of Bomber at No6? That he can have 7 rides by any chance?

It's a waste as it means others in the top 5 are not performing. 

A strong No6 is only valid with strong Heatleaders.

No team can compete if the No1 / No5 are less than a 7.50 average. 

Not necessarily 7 rides, but we should turn some of those 2-4’s into 3-3’s, 3-3’s into 4-2’s and 4-2’s into 5-1’s with a rider like Bomber at reserve (if that’s the case)

[Youhave2minutes]

4 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

 

3rd from bottom, is a play off place  Bomber will be there.

Let’s hope Bomber links his ties with Rob Lyon again from their Peterborough days. Fingers crossed.

[Daniel Smith]

45 minutes ago, SpeedwayFan91 said:

Not necessarily 7 rides, but we should turn some of those 2-4’s into 3-3’s, 3-3’s into 4-2’s and 4-2’s into 5-1’s with a rider like Bomber at reserve (if that’s the case)

There's a reason Harris could be at reserve, he's no longer THAT guy. 

100% he'll still deliver on the entertainment front but winning races when needed? There's a reason he's a 6 - 6½ average. 

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the belief & excitement. Old guys at reserve are there for a reason, if it was the next big thing (Bewley, Lambert, Ward, Woffinden) at No6, that's a different story.

[szkocjasid]

10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

There's a reason Harris could be at reserve, he's no longer THAT guy. 

100% he'll still deliver on the entertainment front but winning races when needed? There's a reason he's a 6 - 6½ average. 

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the belief & excitement. Old guys at reserve are there for a reason, if it was the next big thing (Bewley, Lambert, Ward, Woffinden) at No6, that's a different story.

This is a bit different, Harris has been a 6+ rider for a few years, he's not on a massive downward spiral. Plus he rode at number 5 for Oxford for a lot of meetings, so moving to reserve should see an increased average without him improving.

I agree with your point about 7 rides, he'd only get that if multiple top 5 riders are underperforming, which they don't want. But he should have the beating of opposition reserves in heats 2,4,12,14 which is where you gain the advantage.

Edited October 24, 2024 by szkocjasid

[Daniel Smith]

30 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

This is a bit different, Harris has been a 6+ rider for a few years, he's not on a massive downward spiral. Plus he rode at number 5 for Oxford for a lot of meetings, so moving to reserve should see an increased average without him improving.

I agree with your point about 7 rides, he'd only get that if multiple top 5 riders are underperforming, which they don't want. But he should have the beating off opposition reserves in heats 2,4,12,14 which is where you gain the advantage.

Think you're confused by the racecard. 

Home 2, 7, 11, 14 - Away 2, 6, 9, 12

If he comes in as a reserve switch he'll always be against a Heatleader. 

For me, that many points used in team building at reserve is wasted

[StarBoy]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Think you're confused by the racecard. 

Home 2, 7, 11, 14 - Away 2, 6, 9, 12

If he comes in as a reserve switch he'll always be against a Heatleader. 

For me, that many points used in team building at reserve is wasted

But if you can’t attract/pay for a big hitter never mind 2, what other approach is there?

[Daniel Smith]

9 minutes ago, StarBoy said:

But if you can’t attract/pay for a big hitter never mind 2, what other approach is there?

It's simple then,

If You Can't Pay - Top 4 Gets Taken Away.

The promotion desperately needs 7+ No1 & No5s for any top 4 hopes

[FishersGate]

Harris at 6 is a weapon to King's Lynn. If he signs. I know people are saying ' well he's still riding against the oppositions heat leader ' . Doesn't matter that much. Harris may only win heat two heat but still can have a big impact. Harris can have 5 + rides a meeting. Heat 2 we expect him to win so there's 3 points. Even if he gets 6 rides only 2nd and 3rd places it's better than nothing. 3,2,2,1,2,2 equals 12 pts at reserve for exampleat home. 12pts from your number 6 is great. 

 

[SaddlebowRoad]

of course he'll be a weapon

in all likelihood he will take all the reserve rides after heat 8 and although he is past his best now he is still one of the very best in the championship and rode most (all?) of last season as a heatleader in the prem

he shouldnt be a reserve but would be because of the way lynn are going to build their team which is the best way for the club and its finances 

most importantly hes bloody good to watch and as a paying customer id be delighted if he signs

also in all likelihood the number six will be different every month which is quite mouth watering if the top five is as suggested 

it will be a powerhouse reserve whoever it is injuries permitting of course and surely we are finally due a bit of luck in that regard 

[szkocjasid]

43 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Think you're confused by the racecard. 

Home 2, 7, 11, 14 - Away 2, 6, 9, 12

If he comes in as a reserve switch he'll always be against a Heatleader. 

For me, that many points used in team building at reserve is wasted

Harris can't replace Boughen in heat 8, but he could in heats 4, 12, 14 where he meets another reserve. That's the point I was making. Even if he can't beat opposition heat leaders, having a reserve who may score 8 from 5 is better than a 4 point rider scoring 4.

I'm not saying I definitely would've gone down the route of Harris at reserve over a top number one, but if they can't get anyone to sign, then if I was a Lynn fan, I'd still feel positive about having Harris at 6.

[Youhave2minutes]

This Boughen fiasco with him keep shutting off into bends is a nightmare thought for their team

Edited October 24, 2024 by Youhave2minutes

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

Harris can't replace Boughen in heat 8, but he could in heats 4, 12, 14 where he meets another reserve. That's the point I was making. Even if he can't beat opposition heat leaders, having a reserve who may score 8 from 5 is better than a 4 point rider scoring 4.

I'm not saying I definitely would've gone down the route of Harris at reserve over a top number one, but if they can't get anyone to sign, then if I was a Lynn fan, I'd still feel positive about having Harris at 6.

He can only replace Boughen once. 8 from 5 would be poor with how the teams built. Let's think Boughen will score 0 regularly we're then relying on the top 5 to average almost 8.

For me, it will be poor judgement & horrible mathematics to have anyone over a 5.50 average at No6. 

It's a waste of team building numbers that cannot logically work. 

We have to work with facts, and the facts are, no team has ever been successful with this "strength in depth" nonsense.

[SuperStarsFan91]

It baffles me how people think having someone like Harris or Klindt at reserve won’t win us more meetings than having someone like Zischke, Kemp, Gilkes, Thompson etc.

[SaddlebowRoad]

6 minutes ago, SpeedwayFan91 said:

It baffles me how people think having someone like Harris or Klindt at reserve won’t win us more meetings than having someone like Zischke, Kemp, Gilkes, Thompson etc.

i guess the theory is that one of those would be accompanied by a 8/9 pointer at 1

but its quite clear that the club hasnt been able to sign that kind of rider and will be going with a top six with less than a point between them instead

personally i think the clubs priority has to be to sign a team who will win the majority of home turn up every week and have an affinity with the paying customer and the mooted team would do that i believe 

[Youhave2minutes]

32 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

i guess the theory is that one of those would be accompanied by a 8/9 pointer at 1

but its quite clear that the club hasnt been able to sign that kind of rider and will be going with a top six with less than a point between them instead

personally i think the clubs priority has to be to sign a team who will win the majority of home turn up every week and have an affinity with the paying customer and the mooted team would do that i believe 

Don’t say much about the club if no star rider wants to come. Guess Busters the issue

Edited October 24, 2024 by Youhave2minutes

[therefused]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

He can only replace Boughen once. 8 from 5 would be poor with how the teams built. Let's think Boughen will score 0 regularly we're then relying on the top 5 to average almost 8.

For me, it will be poor judgement & horrible mathematics to have anyone over a 5.50 average at No6. 

It's a waste of team building numbers that cannot logically work. 

We have to work with facts, and the facts are, no team has ever been successful with this "strength in depth" nonsense.

Peterborough?

[Youhave2minutes]

3 minutes ago, therefused said:

Peterborough?

Yes Harris rode at Peterborough the dads army year

[therefused]

If it is the rumoured 7 (Magic or Cook), then on paper its stronger than the team we finished the season with. The same team that had some pretty decent form in the latter part of the season, against what were probably stronger opposition than next year. 

The rumoured team looks ok to me, I think some people are blowing it way out of proportion. 

[Speedball]

As we've seen from previous seasons. it's not just reserve replacement rides, it's covering rider replacement and injury replacement rides as well.

It would be great to have two big hitters but there aren't that many about and I certainly don't see a strong reserve as a negative.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Speedball

[Pauldoveyspeedway]

1 minute ago, Speedball said:

As we've seen from previous seasons. it's not just reserve replacement rides, it's covering rider replacement and injury replacement rides as well.

It would be great to have two big hitters but there aren't that many about and I certainly don't see a strong reserve as a negative.

Strong reserve is good if they bang in the points. When he moves up to the main body of the team.The new reserve needs to do the same...