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  1. Posted

    14 hours ago, Ray Stadia said:

    I don't see why speedway riders must be holier than thou, to be riders. I'm pretty sure many riders have a 'back catalogue' or skeletons in their cupboard. Many boxers have skeletons and back catalogues. I do understand speedway promoters getting worried about the affect on their gates. On the other hand, he might be a draw. 'Come and see the bad boy come good'!   

    Its a fair point politey put.
    I dont expect riders to be holier than thou - I doubt if many clubs would have a team lol.  Im not holier than thou myself nor do I claim to be.  We are probably all aware of a rider who has broken the law and done the time for less extreme crimes and been rehabilitated and come good in speedway and in life.
    To me its down to the severity of what someone has done and it wasnt *just* burglary for Garrity.  For me it also would reflect on the sports credibility with the wider public, those who dont follow speedway but will quite happily jump on the back of the sport allowing someone convicted of his crimes being 'typical' of the people involved in the sport to object to speedway being allowed at a new or existing site

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    17 hours ago, iainb said:

    I have read your post and you don't come across as a very forgiving person. The difference with paedo's becoming teachers is the small matter of the law of the land forbidding it, it's not a matter of opinion. It is not law that burglars can't become speedway riders... or anything else for that matter the only thing he has forfeited is his liberty for a few years and his reputation. 

    There are many people that have turned their lives around and gone on to become inspirational "heroes"... Ant Middleton served time and now does motivational speaking tours. 

    You judge me wrongly.  I care very strongly for the disabled individual he assaulted and put the fear of god into and basically ruined the final few years of their life.

    You do realise he didnt just burgle the house?

    Its also very telling the tone of your response to Fishersgate when you admit you wouldnt touch him with a bargepole compared to your rather aggressive responses towards me when I am saying the same thing.  I wonder why?

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    6 hours ago, iainb said:

    Should he have been sentenced to death? You don't seem to want him to be able to earn an honest living, that's what I assume you mean by "reward"... what do you suggest he do?

    As I have already said if you cared to read my posts, its horses for courses.  A school teacher can be struck off if convicted for behaviour outwith his school, you would not put a paedophile in charge of a nursery, Raith fans will tell you what happened when they tried to sign rapist David Goodwillie.   You commit a crime, you do the time.  As I have said I have no problem with him being a plumber although I wouldnt want him to be going into the homes of elderly or vulnerable.  He can be a labourer if he wants or any other number of jobs.  He has though forfeited his right to a sports position where he would benefit from sponsorship and get publicity and could possibly be seen by young or vulnerable as a 'hero' because he can ride a bike well.  He's not a hero, he is a violent thug who served time for what he did to an elderly disabled individual in their own home.  Let him get on with his life away from speedway - the sport does enough to make it less appealing to possible new supporters without the ruling body being stupid enough to see that allowing him back as a rider will give every nimby in the land extra ammunition to object to speedway and speedway tracks.  

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  5. Posted

    18 hours ago, ch958 said:

    yeah, let em stick to rap music glorifying guns and gangs and shoot em up movies

    what a mature well thought out response.  I'll keep it simple and realistic and point out that what happens in LA or anywhere else does not justify going into the home of an elderly disabled person, scaring the rubbish out of them and stealing their money.  Lets not reward those who do eh

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    4 hours ago, Fromafar said:

    Not really sure myself,but everything was in place to record time in Official Meeting.Dont know for certain if speedway has a  Official ruling on Track Records.We will leave it in “ the best interest of the sport category for now”.lol.

    Lol Fromafar I can't help it - once a pedant, always a pedant.  I was also the kid whose favourite words were 'but why' lol
     

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    1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

    I didn't see the comment in the light of 'I know something you don't'. I think it's fair for a rider to comment that there's others they'd be more concerned about on track without giving specific names.

    Are these things not linked though?

    As others have said, if it was a convicted felon going back into plumbing or mechanicing, no-one would care less. Speedway is neither important enough nor sufficiently in the public eye that there's any sort of reputational issue involved, and as much scumbag behaviour offends and appalls me, I think once you've done your time you should be able to resume a gainful working career unless the crime was related to your original employment (i.e. child abusers should never be allowed to work with children or vulnerable people).

    I get your points Humphrey

    Was he high on drugs when he committed the offence?  Can or should that be taken as an excuse?  Or is he just nasty? WIth regards going into employment I very much feel its a horses for courses situation. You wouldnt put a child abuser in a position within a school, I certainly would not be happy about a plumber with his record going into the home of an elderly person - doesnt mean he cant be a plumber, just that I wouldnt want him in the home of a vulnerable person.

    Sport is a slightly different kettle of fish.  There is the aspect of people in sport being seen as 'examples' to their fans and therein lies the crux of the matter for me.  I dont think we should be putting someone with his record back in a situation where he will have 'fans' including the young and the impressionable

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    12 hours ago, proud panther said:

    Well say nothing then

    Yip, I agree

    I've said to someone who pulled the old 'I have a reliable source so I am right but I wont tell you my source' sort of thing that if you arent willing to name the source then keep schtum.  Its the same for this situation

    It was worth a cheeky attempt at trying to get the name though ;)  I didnt for a minute expect it to succeed though

     

    As an aside though, it concerns me a little that the drugs side of thing is what is being concentrated on rather than what he did to a vulnerable disabled elderly person in their own home.  If you want to get over the narrow minded perception of some of speedway's image, Im not sure granting him his licence back is the way to go about it

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  10. Posted

    12 hours ago, Fromafar said:

    Would think so.IMO.It was an Official race.

    Thanks Fromafar.

    I had looked at it differently.  There was no official result as the meeting was abandoned.  In football, if a guy scores a hat trick for Arsenal but the game gets abandoned after 60 minutes the three goals are expunged from his personal record.

    Its just one of these curiosities that hit me lol

     

  11. Posted

    Quick question for those up to date with the rules etc.

    If a track record is broken in a meeting that is subsequently abandoned with no score declared, does that track record still stand?

    It just seems a bit bizarre as everything else about the meeting is expunged eg nothing counts towards rider averages.  It just seems bizarre that a track record set in that way would stand

  12. Posted

    4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

    Racing against garrity wouldn’t trouble me even knowing what he has done as long as he is drug free however there is another rider who I do think is a worry and certainly makes me think speedway isn’t the ideal occupation for his personality 

    Serious question, who is it that you worry about?
     

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  13. Posted

    On 4/17/2024 at 12:38 PM, IronScorpion said:

     

    I wonder how many "amateurs" turn out in meetings having taken medicines, smoked or drunk alcohol days before a meeting.

    That wasnt what he was in jail for though.  He entered an elderly persons house, assaulted them, put the fear of god into them and stole.  Im all for rehabilitation and acknowledging time served but there are exceptions to this rule for me, and that includes this sort of  behaviour, drug dealing, child abuse

     

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    I always think if you are going to say ‘someone told me but I’m not going to say who but they are a rider’ then you shouldn’t bother. Firstly if you won’t name your source don’t say it, secondly if your source was talking to you off the record it’s not exactly enhancing your credibility if you run on a public forum to imply it to make yourself look important.

    At least that’s what I’ve been told by someone who knows these things and is famous but I can’t tell you who ;) 

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  16. Posted

    1 minute ago, Noelinho said:

    Yeah, the rain came when I expected it to, but much, much heavier than expected.

    To be honest, I'm glad Bomber was late. If he hadn't been, I think we'd all be disappointed we'd seen only 10 heats.

    Yeah thats another crazy thing.  Fans are quick to complain about lack of value at speedway yet when promoters agree to delay 15 minutes to give fans as strong a meeting as they can they get hammered for that too.
    I cant believe I am sticking up for promotions but in this case I think they are getting unfair stick (and unlike some I speak out when I think someone is being treated badly)

     

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  21. Posted

    See when Glasgow announced that the meeting was being delayed, are you sure they said it was to let FANS in and not VANS?  It was some entrance from Chris Harris though and to go on and get a paid win with no chance to warm up or mentally prepare was impressive

    Edited to add:- I agree with you 100% Bloom89.  Harris's commitment to the sport has been superb, its a shame not everyone has his ethic

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  22. Posted

    1 hour ago, Wee Eck said:

    I’m not convinced that riders are compelled to notify SCB if they’re taking prescription medications. My understanding was that they had to notify testers of any prescription meds only if randomly selected and before giving a test. I can’t see that, as a matter of routine, riders being forced to disclose antibiotics, or, nowadays, the contraceptive pill. 

    I was told directly from a rider a few years ago that all prescription meds must be disclosed and they should also be advised if any other meds are prescribed throughout the season.  I'd be very surprised if that had changed tbh (although I dont know)

  23. Posted

    31 minutes ago, StevePark said:

    You are correct. I got a little confused.

    BUT..... "Benzoylecgonine can be found in medical products as a topical muscle relaxer, anesthetic or to relieve muscle pain."

    Taken from https://drugs.ncats.io/drug/5353I8I6YS

    Topical medications just affect the area they are applied to though and don’t go beyond the skin layer (unless one of a very few used in extreme excess and even then it is very unlikely) That would take a transdermal product which would be on prescription.

    It is a very complex area. In individual cases and medications even pharmacists would reach for the reference books That is why it is best to wait and see what the lab says and take it from there

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