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Yes, 1965. I was on the West Ham supporters' coach coming back from Cradley Heath after we had just beaten them to win the league and do the treble. We stopped off at Watford Gap and met up with Ken McKinlay and some of the boys.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten that. He was a great lover of midget car racing as well.

Yes, indeed. All of them.

Yes, I agree. I saw him. couple of times in 1960 and thought he looked really good.

He would probably have liked a thread for each name.

Yes, I certainly can. I was at the meeting.

I also ignored Soren Sjosten, Dan Forsberg, Birger Forsberg, Per Olof Soderman and Rune Sormander - to name just a few!

Just out of interest, I looked up Olle Nygren and Ove Fundin's first year averages using your criterion of 10 matches minimum.. Olle Nygren's was 7.6 from 10 matches (Harringay 1952) Ove Fundin's was 10.34 (Norwich 1956). (The previous year he appeared in 6 matches and scored 73 points.) I think it's fair to say that Ove Fundin began as he meant to continue!

He won the British Semi Final at Sheffield, the British Final, the Commonwealth Final and came 6th in the Intercontinental Final.

That he didn't is the biggest regret of my speedway life! I saw his first ever public race at West Ham. It was a special junior match race between him, aged 15, and Barry Thomas, aged 16. Barry won, but I thought Dave looked really classy for a 15 year old having his first race and I said to my friend, "He"ll be world champion one day." But, of course, he never was!

I think there were a number of Russians in the 1960s who would probably have benefited from riding for British clubs. As well as Plechanov and Kurilenko, there were Boris Samorodov, Gab Kadirov, Yuri Chekranov and Vladimir Sokolov to name a few.

It is an interesting conundrum and Zmarzlik's dominance raises an interesting question . Leaving aside Laguta and Sayfutdinov at the moment for obvious reasons, if we were to look objectively at the top 15 riders in the world, I think we would include the likes of Magic and Dudek. However, I think we also know that the chance of them ever beating Zmarzlik to the World Championship is almost zero. The only way he is going to lose over the next few years (Russians excepted) is for one or two of the younger riders, like Lambert, Bewley, Kvech, Kubera or Becker for example, to come good. But to do that they need to get experience at Grand Prix level. So do you go for the top 15 in the world regardless, and I can understand those left out would feel very aggrieved, or do you try and inject a bit of youth in the hope that at least one of them will make good and make a fight of the World Championship?

Oh dear...I'm as bad as Kelvin!

Kelvin Tatum is going for Leon Masden as a wildcard for next year!

Got it. Wokeness means anything you disagree with. Thanks for clearing that up.

Can you explain the meaning of wokeness in that context?

Good job the FIM President didn't kiss any of them on the lips….

Kelvin reckons Madsen hasn't done enough to squeeze into the top six after just showing us the chart with him fifth. Dear oh dear!

"Becker fading",,,,,,Did he not watch the race?

I'm watching on Eurosport and have full commentary.

I think he threw a blanket over them.

Another things that has occurred to me is that back in the "old days", we used to go along and watch "meaningless" matches, London v. the Rest, New Cross v. the Kiwis, etc. I even remember seeing Southampton v. Provincial League Select at New Cross when New Cross had an away fixture on race night. There were also a number of individual trophy meetings. And, of course, there were the second half scratch races. And yet we enjoyed them all just as much as the league and cup matches.

And on a bike too!

Good job you never made a world final BOBBATH or we'd have to change the list again.

Mind you, Ivan Mauger accounts for most of that on his own!