norbold
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Having spent a day with Bob Andrews in Auckland I now have lots of good Ivan Mauger stories. But I think Ivan's lawyers would be on to this Forum a bit sharpish if I repeated them here!
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Or Vic Duggan.Or Tom Farndon...or Vic Huxley...
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In my reckoning Split was, without doubt, the greatest rider never to win a World Championship ( and that includes your father who I also remember).And that includes Jack Parker?
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If this means riders we've actually seen my seven from Heaven would be:
1. Ove Fundin
2. Split Waterman
3. Aub Lawson
4. Jack Young
5. Ken McKinlay
6. Chris Louis
7. Stan Stevens
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I'll see what I can do, Gem...
Johnnie Chamberlain joined Yarmouth in 1952, went to Ipswich in 1954 and in 1958 moved to Norwich. Following Aub Lawson's departure at the end of 1960, Chamberlain became the Stars' second rider behind Ove Fundin but his average was only 6.71 compared to the great man's 12.47! He left Norwich at the end of 1962.
He rode in several Test matches for Australia but his main claim to fame is that he is reputed to be the smallest rider ever to ride in speedway,
His other claim to fame is that he took part in the first match I ever saw, coming last twice!
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I'm with you Ian H...
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Just to let all you Crusaders know that I have just been interviewed by a journalist from the Kent Gazette who will be doing a piece on my new book and Canterbury speedway in the next couple of weeks. I believe the paper is part of the Kent Messenger group so could appear in Sittingbourne and Maidstone papers as well.
Hopefully the piece can generate some feed back and show support for speedway returning to Canterbury.
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Good to hear that Split is on the mend. One of the all time greats of speedway and certainly the greatest "character" of them all.
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"Happiness is watching speedway in the British Summer and going to Oz in the winter! "
Couldn't agree more Bryn, as long as you include NZ in that.
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I'd quite like to have my team back first.
Where are you, New Cross?
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Sorry, couldn't let this go, even from New Zealand, without saying that Romford never actually rode at Rochester. They rode their first four matches AS Rochester but the stadium never got planning permission to stage speedway, which is why the team moved to Romford.
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Some us might have something better to on a Friday night , eh Shazzy :clownRead it Saturday morning then Addy :idea: :clown
Some of us are going of to Oz first thing on Saturday morning and not comimng back for a month. The suspense will kill me...or would do if I didn't already know the answer!
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Shazz is a nice girl really.... a bit 'flaky' sometimes but a nice girl.How come every single thread on this Forum finishes up with you and Shazzy having a pop at each other?
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OK Newbold, I will use that one if I may
Yes, It was that night. I do not remember the date as I think I was about 11 at the time.
Yes, of course you can use it. But stop confusing me with Liontamer... :roll:
I was there that night too, I would have been 14. Perhaps we met by the Supporters' Club kiosk or in the stands or by the fence or......
Keep up the good work with the web sites. Who's next?
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Anyway, Newbold I need some help on a career appraisal for him for the web site. I have some information that he has faxed me but there are quite a few gaps. What do you think? Naturally, I would give you a credit it for it on the site.
Cheers,
Jim
http://freespace.virgin.net/barry.briggo/index.htm
http://freespace.virgin.net/mirac.moore/index.htmhttp://freespace.virgin.net/pete.craven/index.htm
Yes, I would be happy to help Jim. The only problem is, is that I am just about to jet off to the Antipodes for a month. If you can wait I'll do it when I come back.
Actually, come to think of it, I did write a short appraisal a little while back on the old Forum. Maybe Phil could find it for you...if you ask nicely ;-)
Now then, back to the Ove Fundin question. Are you talking about the meeting on 28 June 1961? Our Split did indeed beat Ove twice in the match and once in the second half, but Ove did have his revenge in the second half final, beating Split in to second place.
But it was one of those all too rare occasions down the Old Kent Road when Split showed something of the form that took him to the runner-up spot twice in the World Championship in the early 50s. He scored a paid maximum that night. Happy days!
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Though Norbold cannot spell Bjorn Knutson correctly ever, to my knowledge. Though in fairness he is not alone by any means. According to Bjorn himself his surname has only one 's' and I guess the guy should know....
Why didn't he ever tell the West Ham programme compiler then?
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Yes, but New Cross had packed up by the time he won.
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Very sad to hear the news that Ken McKinlay died over the weekend. One of the top 50s/60s riders and a really excellent team man. He will be sadly missed.
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Also, in 1963 the world champion Ove Fundin was defeated during the course of the night 3 times, twice in the match and in the second half final at New Cross by the same ride. Another prize for the person who can get this right. Ove is going to kill me for this.What match was that then? New Cross were in the Provincial League in 1963. Also Ove wouldn't have been the World Champion in 1963 as Peter Craven won in 1962.
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I've got to go to Canterbury tomorrow. I'm appearing in the Crown Court....as a witness.
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Nice site, Bomber.
I do have a number of photographs of Romford riders. I'll send them to you when I can.
Best Ever Rider.
in Years Gone By
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It's always a problem compiling a list of top 1, top 5, top 10 or whatever, riders because of the comparison between different eras, differnt styles, different bikes, different tracks, different rules, different class of opposition etc. The other question to consider is do we mean the best rider on his day or the best rider over a long period? Just to give an example of that of two riders from the same era, I would say that, on his day, Ole Olsen was better than Ivan Mauger, but certainly not as consistent over as long a period of time. Also, is success in the World Championship the sole criterion or do we look at team men like Ronnie Moore, Ken McKinlay, Olle Nygren and Nigel Boocock who were perhaps not so successful at an individual level as they might have been (yes, even Ronnie Moore!)
Most of the suggestions for best rider ever on this thread only go as far back as Ove Fundin. From my own observation of riders I have actually seen I would certainly go along with the suggestion that Ove was the greatest ever. Though I have to say Tony Rickardsson is, to my mind, fast catching him up.
But what about riders we've only read about? Vic Huxley, Jack Parker, Tom Farndon, Vic Duggan? A look at their records would suggest they must be worthy of consideration, but any question like this is bound to be skewed to the present or very recent past. It's an impossible question to answer.
Having said all that, my top 10, going on observation and records would be:
1. Ove Fundin
2. Ivan Mauger
3. Vic Duggan
4. Tony Rickardsson
5. Barry Briggs
6. Tom Farndon
7. Vic Huxley
8. Jack Young
9. Hans Nielsen
10. Ronnie Moore
And I agree with Custom House Kid that Sverre Harrfeldt would have given Rickardsson a run for his money, certainly around Custom House.
Think I'll go and have a lie down now....