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That puts that mystery to bed. Superb work as always, thank you.
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3 hours ago, BL65 said:The meetings involving two-legged contests between Exeter/Plymouth, Coventry/Poole, Tamworth/Cradley Heath and Hanley/Wombwell are referred to in a couple of programmes as the 'Speedway Anniversary Cup'. The Plymouth programme describes the meeting v Exeter as 'Round One'. However, if it was intended to proceed further with the competition then perhaps the greatly delayed staging of the Cradley Heath v Tamworth leg at Hanley might have caused it to fizzle out. The one-leg North v South Cup, with a final at a neutral track, appears to have been a separate competition from the Anniversary Cup.
A decent theory for sure.
The Speedway Researcher Hastings file lists the 16/08 Southampton v Hastings fixture (at Poole) as the Anniversary Cup but the second leg (26/08 at Plymouth) as the North v South Anniversary Cup.
The Yarmouth file has the tie with Hull as North v South (Cup) and the Hull file states North v South Cup Semi Final.
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Excellent, thanks.
My final conundrum concerns the third division North v South 21st Anniversary Cup.
It appears that the two semi finals were Yarmouth v Hull and Southampton v Hastings, with Southampton going on to defeat Hull in the final at Cradley Heath.
However I have 4 ties which don't seem to lead anywhere for the various winners: Exeter bt. Plymouth, Coventry bt. Poole, Tamworth bt. Cradley Heath and Hanley bt. Wombwell.
What's going on?
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3 minutes ago, arnieg said:I think they were same format, and first co petition would have been completed but I haven't got that detail in my notes
Thanks. Good work as always.
A small batch from Dublin Santry if anyone can add anything:
08/08 v Eastbourne - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
22/08 Date only - did anything take place?
05/09 Midland Select - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
12/09 v Belfast match postponed with an individual event replacing (?)
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Were the two abandoned events scratch races?
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Are we all finished? Good, I'll continue...
These are in track order:
08/08 California - date only - did anything take place?
29/08 California Scratch Races - ANY RESULT(S) OR OUTRIGHT WINNER(S)?
12/09 California - date only - did anything take place?
10/10 California - date only - did anything take place?
13/06 Eastbourne Scratch Races - ANY RESULT(S) OR OUTRIGHT WINNER(S)?
27/06 Eastbourne Handicap - ANY RESULT(S) OR OUTRIGHT WINNER(S)?
23/10 Edinburgh v Fleetwood - fixture only - CONFIRM DATE, EVENT AND RESULT
03/05 Exeter Speedway Riders Championship QR tie between Wally Green & Bert Roger - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?
24/06 Middlesbrough Speedway Riders Championship QR tie between Frank Hodgson & Jack Biggs - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?
29/04 Plymouth Speedway Riders Championship QR tie between Pete Lansdale, Alf Bottoms & Jack Freeman - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?
25/04 Rye House Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
23/05 Rye House v World Select - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
06/06 Rye House Arthur Flack’s Team v Sid Clarke's Team - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
04/07 Rye House - date only - did anything take place?
15/08 Rye House v Eastbourne - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
12/09 Rye House Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
20/04 Southampton Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Jimmy Squibb - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
18/05 Southampton Silver Trophy winner Stan Hodson - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
01/06 Southampton v Hanley (NL Div 3) Rained Off - CONFIRM DATE
28/05 Wombwell Speedway Riders Championship QR winner ? Rogers - CONFIRM DATE AND RESULT
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Excellent work as always, my thanks to you all.
A couple here from Dublin Santry:
29/04 Described as Individual Championship - WINNER?
22/05 Versus English League - RESULT?
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These are in track order (updated):
21/08 Rye House Best Pairs - Tie between M. Wood & J. Rodwell and J. Wright & T. Lack - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?
09/10 Rye House Four Team - DATE, COMPETING TEAMS & RESULT
23/10 Rye House - date only - did anything take place?
17/04 California Individual winner: ? Peck - CONFIRM DATE, EVENT NAME & WINNER19/06 California California Trophy - Tie between Billy Newell & Gerald Jackson - CONFIRM DATE & ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER25/09 California - date only - did anything take place?21/07 Edinburgh Press Charity Gala Sports Night scratch races - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?16/07 High Beech v Bishops Stortford - DATE & RESULT16/07 Hull - date only - did anything take place?21/05 Rayleigh World Championship QR - Tie between Alan Hunt & Will Lowther - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?15/05 Rye House Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE & WINNERS05/06 Rye House Whitsun Trophy - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER15/05 Southampton - practice - winner: Welch - CONFIRM DATE, EVENT NAME & WINNER29/03 Southampton Charles Knott Trophy - winner ? Oakley - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER10/05 Southampton North v South 36-48 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT05/07 Southampton World Championship QR - winner Fred Tuck - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER16/08 Southampton Inter-Track Best Pairs - winners May & Boyd - CONFIRM DATE & WINNERS04/10 Southampton Leg Trailers v Foot Forward 34-50 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT11/10 Southampton Pre-War v Post-War 43-41 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT08/08 Wimbledon World Championship QR - Tie between Aub Lawson & George Wilks - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER? -
1 hour ago, BL65 said:Speedway World June 7th 1950 included a report headed 'Lorry on fire spoilt match'. The report continued:
The High Beech team's first proposed visit to Scotland ended disastrously. On the way north the transport lorry caught fire at Leicester and the Londoners had to call off their match with Bothwell Bulls.
At short notice a challenge match was arranged against a Glasgow selected side and after 14 closely-contested heats of racing the Bulls won their first real test by two points, 41-39.
Highest scorers were the two White City novices, Willie Gordon and Gundy Harris and Jim Black and Bob Lindsay, two of the lads that have done a big part of the work towards getting the Bulls properly started as a racing outfit on their home-made track.I think that's enough evidence for the result to be included in the Glasgow list. Good work, sir.
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The combination of the two Hull changes have solved the problem. Thanks for your efforts as I probably wouldn't have been able to resolve things on my own.
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Interesting, thanks. Do you have a league table to compare it with the one on the SGB site here http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/history/leaguetables1948.php
My figures show Poole scoring 1761.5 pts (SGB site shows 1760.5) and Southampton 2112.5 (SGB 2113.5).
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7 minutes ago, BL65 said:I would go with the marked programme result.
No further details re the Glasgow Select team, but as Bothwell team comprised junior riders/trainees I suspect it would have been a group of junior riders associated with Glasgow teams. A meeting staged on 13th May as part of the 150th Anniversary Show at Hamilton resulted in a 48-35 in for Bothwell Bulls against a Glasgow 'Giants and Tigers Select'. The Select team on that occasion comprised Tommy Miller, Peter Dykes, Gundy Harris, Clive Gresser, Bob Lindsay, Frank Kyle, Eric Davis and Jim Black. The Bothwell team was Ken McKinlay, Willie Gordon, J Green, Nivvie Macreadie, A Robertson, Jim Blythe, Jock Pryde and Fred Rowe. (Miller also won the Hamilton Cup, from Dykes, McKinlay and Gordon). I suspect some of the 'Select' riders may also have taken part on 27th May.
I maintain a Glasgow results history file so my dilemna is whether or not to include the match in the results. The 13th May fixture is already included.
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9 minutes ago, arnieg said:There is another example (from 1956) at California where dead heat was scored inconsistently - both second place riders getting 2 points. I think this is what might have happened here.
Yes I remember that being discussed. In light of that, I'll be taking the marked programme result as correct until proven otherwise.
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Thank you both.
I note two different scores being touted for 11/06 California v Rye House - I'm inclined to take the marked programme result but open to persuasion...
BL65 - re. Bothwell 27/05 - Glasgow were at Hanley that day. Is there anything to tell whether this was a Glasgow Select (as in riders from that area) or a Tigers 'reserve' team?
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Thanks
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42 minutes ago, BL65 said:I have checked several sources and there are two meetings which I have found different results for:
Fleetwood 34 Edinburgh 49 on 08/05
Yarmouth 41 Exeter 41 on 29/06. The Speedway Researcher Yarmouth file carries the explanation: Note -Above is amended result as Reg Morgan was placed third in heat 14 (but had fallen and his score was amended to 0).
Thank you. That leaves a point kicking in one of the Poole v Southampton fixtures (original post edited).
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I need to know which of these results are incorrect:
Poole v Southampton 17/05 51-33 and 25/10 49-35
Southampton v Poole 13/07 56-27 and 26/10 58-26
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The further back I go the more that needs resolving. Please excuse the length of the list (edited) and let me know if you can assist. The list is in club order:
06/04 Bothwell v Speedway World Novices - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
26/11 Bothwell v The Rest - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
11/06 California v Rye House - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
30/07 Eastbourne v California - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
19/08 Eastbourne v Rye House - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
15/04 High Beech v Epping Foresters - CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
22/07 High Beech v Rye House- CONFIRM DATE & OBTAIN RESULT
23/04 & 30/07 & 06/08 all at Rye House - dates only - DID ANYTHING TAKE PLACE?
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Can anyone assist with these:
02/05 Ipswich World Championship British Semi-Final - Smith & Doncaster finished tied on 11 - any run-off or outright winner?
24/06 Reading v Poole Rained off - CONFIRM DATE09/07 Milton Keynes v Long Eaton Rained off - CONFIRM DATE26/09 Ipswich v Reading Rained off - CONFIRM DATE30/09 Exeter South West Open Championship winner: Dean Garton - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER
02/10 Long Eaton Dave Perks Farewell 4TT - CONFIRM DATE & SCORE OF JAN'S TEAM07/10 Exeter Tony Sanford Memorial 4TT abandoned after heat 3 - CONFIRM DATE & SCORE AT TIME OF ABNDONMENT
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The remaining 1951 queries:
25/03 California v The Rest - RESULT
08/04 California - Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
16/09 California v Beachcombers - RESULT
14/10 California - Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
11/10 Oxford - Open - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
18/10 Oxford - Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
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Only ever managed this once:
25th August 1997
- 11:00 Exeter v Reading (Premier League)
- 14:30 Newport v Anglian Angels (Amateur League)
- 19:00 Swindon v Bradford (Elite League)
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Excellent, thanks.
These are all Rye House home queries, anything anyone can do much appreciated:
25/03 Easter Trophy - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
08/04 Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
06/05 Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
20/05 Best Pairs Winners abbreviated to Gen/Den - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
17/06 Reds v Blues v Whites v Yellows Winners Whites - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT W/SCORING IF POSSIBLE
01/07 Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
08/07 Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
15/07 Date only - ANY FIXTURE TAKE PLACE?
05/08 Reds v Blues v Whites v Yellows Winners Yellows - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT W/SCORING IF POSSIBLE
16/09 Four Team - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT W/SCORING IF POSSIBLE
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I have quite a few to tidy up here so I'll start with the 'main' queries:
23/03 Aldershot Easter Cup - Abandoned heat 3 - REASON FOR ABANDONMENT (HEAT TIMES DON'T POINT TO RAIN SO WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION)
26/04 Long Eaton v Aldershot Juniors 31-53 - CONFIRM DATE POSSIBLY 26/05?
26/05 Norwich v Glasgow (Nat. Trophy) Abandoned heat 3 - rain - CONFLICTING INFO RE. SCORE AT THE TIME 15-03 OR 14-04
04/06 Exeter World Championship QR - Hardy & Sargeant tied on 13 - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?
11/08 Long Eaton v Cradley Heath Rained off - CONFIRM DATE & EVENT
11/08 Swindon v Wolverhampton (NL Div. 2) Rained off - CONFIRM DATE
And these which are all Southampton home related:
23/03 Southampton Charles Knott Trophy - Winner Harry (?) Edwards - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER
06/04 Southampton v Oxford (South Shield) Rained off - CONFIRM DATE
18/05 Southampton v Norway 60-23 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
19/06 Southampton v Ex-Saints 42-42 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
10/07 Southampton World Championship QR Winner ? Oakley - CONFIRM DATE & WINNER
21/07 Southampton Gala Of Sport - CONFIRM DATE & ANY RESULT(S)
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On 7/23/2019 at 12:05 AM, BL65 said:I have now been sent a copy of an article published in the Irish Independent newspaper on 30.05.52 which shows that the 'match' was not a team match, rather it was to be a 'best of three' series of match races between Perry and Monson. The Dublin Belt was to be the main individual event, contested by 10 riders, Ginger O'Beirne, Alan Marr, Mick Savage, Tom Kiernan, Tom King, Tom Cullen, Derek Edwards, Roy Spiller, Paddy O'Lone and Danny O'Neill.
Thanks. And this was all as a replacement for the scrubbed London match?
1947 Queries
in Years Gone By
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In track order:
05/10 Bell End v Wigan - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
22/06 Peterborough Best Pairs - CONFIRM RESULT
23/08 Wigan Ron Johnson Team v Joe Abbott Team - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT
15/08 Cradley Heath v Tamworth - CONFIRM DATE0/04 Sheffield Owlerton Trophy - tie between Tommy Bateman & Ron Mason - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?25/09 Sheffield Silver Helmet - tie between Dent Oliver & Wally Lloyd - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?29/04 Southampton Southampton Trophy winner George Bason - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT27/05 Southampton Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Peter Robinson - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT01/07 Southampton - Saints v Team Captains 53-31 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT02/09 Southampton v Division 3 Top Scorers 45-38 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT14/10 Southampton Best Riders Trophy winner Wally Green - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT10/05 Wigan v Norwich rained off - CONFIRM DATE, COMPETITION & RESULT23/05 Wombwell Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Stan Lanfear - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT30/05 Wombwell Best Pairs winners Alf Elliott & Gerry Williams - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT