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That you either saw live or on video. The one that will always come to mind for me first is Mark Simmonds around the 3rd and 4th bend at Exeter when he was catapulted the best part of 20 feet in the air (that isn’t exaggerated for effect), Bird had a pretty comparable crash. A couple on TV, Ermolenko and Bunyan at Wolverhampton when Ermolenko was nearly decapitated by the fence, would have been horrific Crump and I am tempted to say Gollob (might be wrong) in Sweeden at GP heading into the 3rd bend the two bikes hooked up and increased in speed heading into the air fence, could have been the first high profile air fence crash I saw now that I think of it (although mind might be playing tricks) actually think Crump went on to win that meeting.

Because people from Glasgow who watch meetings on TV live miles away from Poole?

So you agree "Fred" should going on about lost revenue for clubs without substance or fact to back it up..that's good...

Wolves will hit 50

Craig Cook is a bit of a scourge on British Speedway in all honesty, a bit like Woffinden the “track is crap” line is pulled out a bit too often IMO. It is odd for Cook in particular to say “trick track” given his form around Wolves and the similarity to Armadale, found it a really weird comment.

Did think Wolves would give Belle Vue a bit of a doing, I can see them doing the same second leg to be honest – they just have a team now that is a lot better than Belle Vue, that and Belle Vue have just went off the boil slightly at the back end of the season, Steve Worrall in particular has been missing a beat for a month or so now.

Well done Max.

You’re talking gibberish…

I used two out of eight working from the basis of loyalty and reputation - I wouldn’t claim to know the ins and outs re the rest or all clubs in Poland (or the UK for that matter so possibly there are more examples that could be used), purely going off rumour and on occasion spoken word from riders That and both clubs (Wolves and Poole) hold or have held 6 out of the 16 riders this would impact, so you are talking the best part of 50% , an addition then being the likes of Harris isn’t a “regular” in Poland. The same things go on in both countries though I assume re pay, doesn’t simply have to be used a downer re British Speedway – throw in the fact that Britain typically affords guaranteed meetings rather than squads I can see why this is going to cause issues.

There isn’t much point trying to be a clever arse about it given it evidently applies in certain instances – the likes of Poole and Wolves are clearly well run clubs who have created a bond and loyalty between them and the riders who appear for them.

The water has been defrosting for a while but that feels like a step on the river that will crack the ice per se. I don’t think it will go down well with a lot of riders, the last thing a club wants to do is interfere with their wage packets. While I understand this won’t apply in every instance and is based on hearsay and rumour – I think a few who race in Britain probably like the assurance of a guaranteed income which may not compare to Poland, but can be relied upon – with the somewhat chequered history of some Polish sides and their pay history it might put some in quite an awkward situation. Interesting times.

I appreciate the chicken/egg scenario to this post, but…. If it wasn’t for the FTR system I doubt Kyle Newman would be as good as he is now. There are riders who will always find their way purely based on talent (Lambert) albeit their careers being guided in the right direct helps. It is though the likes of Newman, Starke and a few others that this system has genuinely helped. For all the faults re the structure of heat formatting etc and the supposed cost cutting nature of the system - there are benefits to it, there was too much a rush to see it removed and it was always going to take time. If a rider like Newman (as an example) had to be afforded 2/3/4 years at "reserve" to enable to him reach the level of performance where he could pass the World Champion on his own track…good…great…more, more, more…keep doing it, keep helping British riders, keep improving the churn of British riders. Personally I think given the shambolic nature of the race format in the EL that far too much is read into riders (in particularly British) on the basis of the number on their back rather than what they are doing on track and who they are beating, Newman as an example has beaten a lot of good riders and turned in a lot of good rides this season…he would have done that with 6/4/2/1/3 whatever number you wish to pick, once a race starts it means nothing. It needs reworked over the winter, but the foot on the ladder/how to climb the ladder nature of the system should remain.

I think Wolves will win it with a bit to spare.

Possibly. There is also the real probability that the injuries/withdrawals of Andersen/Pedersen and Lindback seriously dented the Poole side given the previous of all 3 around Wolves (all typically perform better there than their replacements/guests/RR) All of that, and there is of course the other thing, Wolves have a pretty good side. For all the talk of Poole cynically dragging the sport down, there are a few on here who are just as, if it not more guilty of it/cynical than anything than Poole supposedly get up to…

He was not, he vissibly dropped the bike.

That's disgraceful - superb lay down from Ellis.

Wolves could hit 60

Why did they sign him then? They could have used R/R anyway could they not? or used (if fit) Andersen who scored 13 from 5 there earlier in the season? Or a guest with a higher average?

You realise that team would have about a 60 point average in the PL which is about 13 points higher than Somerset let alone the 22 points higher than Plymouth.

If the general narrative written on here has now changed to “Poole are stronger without Lindback anyway” it does come across quite anti-Pooleish. No one thought Lindback was coming back so they could use R/R for him.

I’m not entirely convinced by that to be honest. I take the point that Tungate scored well on his previous visit but I felt that was down to how poor Wolves rode in that meeting on a track that wasn’t par prep for Monmore – Holder has also been indifferent at best around there this season, it's also only 2 out of 4 rides. It has been a while since he raced there but Lindback used to be genuinely excellent around Wolves.

Often.... Rossi raced with a helmet with expletives, and WTF on it...

It’s not a “computer name” it is a moniker, and it is quite regular when people join a forum....

Have had it in the PL all season....

I sort of feel for Poole, I feel for them for a number of reasons -They probably are acting within “the rules” per se and Pedersen probably is injured, and thus what are they meant to do, they should be acting in the best interest of their club and their fans – but at the same time I also just find their actions a bit like being scudded in the head with a blunt instrument given how many times occurrences arise with Poole. I do also have a minor loathing of Poole which comes about as a result of the blunt instrument that is Starman bashing his way through Poole threads, which isn’t remotely fair on Poole.