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18 hours ago, Mike0310 said:My nerves are starting to get shot now worrying weather we will run next year does anyone no when we will get the full fallout from the AGM.
Considering all you ever do is moan, when they gave raced, if they don't run, it might be worth hiding under a stone.
Hopefully they do run and you'll find nothing to moan about in future.
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2 hours ago, mikebv said:Shame about Charles Wright...
He is great to watch at the NSS...
And doesnt take many prisoners when riding..
Hope he comes back to the sport fully 100% fit, and will go and watch him at the NSS when whoever he rides for comes to town...
Wonder if his fitness for start of season may be a factor in looking elsewhere, at least initially?
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48 minutes ago, Bojangles said:Can’t see Premiership at Oxford next year. They announced the 2024 greyhound calendar the other day and they have meetings every Monday (evenings) and Thursday (afternoons).
In the cold light of day surely the concept of running CL and PL is too great a financial risk in this era for anyone.
Putting 2 and 2 together though is it possible Kent and Mildenhall may be saved by a few Clubs running NDL.
Possibly Oxford, Scunthorpe Stags, as double down from CL and PL respectively? Would anyone else join in?
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3 minutes ago, Fromafar said:Luke asking for £10 a point would put Rob off.!!!!!!!!!!!
He'll pay considerably less than half the current CL in the PL.
But he'll not lose money and have a competitive home team.
If they average 25 points away he'll save money.
He is very pragmatic. He's outlived a lot of dream merchants.
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I think you're all missing the blindingly obvious.
Rob G has always paid what he can afford, always been on the case of those paying PL rates in CL.
There will be 42 spaces in PL
He'll bank the TV money and basically pay higher CL rates and build a team to be competitive at home.
Certain riders excel there, some of the fancy dan high earners will never have been there.
He'll run PL on a budget and pick a team who'll ride for the pay. They will always be paid.
He won't have the ego that says he has to win, that's not his style.
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I did predict a few weeks back on a couple of threads that either Ford or Godfrey would fall on their swords as Management Committee Members so protect the Discovery deal and ensure a 6 team PL if Brummies couldn't.
To much derision from South Coast I may add.
Scunny it seems have obliged.
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6 hours ago, Neila said:Not enuf riders to do one big league, also with Sweden , Denmark and Poland and international commitments, not enuf free days for the UK to run one big league
There IS a solution and it is a BREAKAWAY like in the 60's
I think Adrian Smith (much missed) was closeset to advocating this and was effectively ground down by the Management Committee.
How could it work, and could it actually be done without rancour and massive disturbance.
The issue lies not with the BSPL solely on this. The structure needs changing and the SCB needs abolishing.
The ACU who link to the FIM need to authorise 2 separate UK bodies - a PL body and a CL body (once authorised and with FIM approval and DIFFERENT titles they could become autonomous)
Let the PL as we'll call them for now take the Discovery Money
Let the CL as we'll call them for now take the kudos of the Owners of Glasgow, Poole and the experience of some of the excellent Promoters in the CL and go their own separate way.
Allow some Riders to double up / a select number of heat Leaders and an age restricted section (under 24) so each can have 2 from each group. All the PL would need to find then is 18 riders from round the globe who could ride PL only.
Over time this could be wickered down or left as it is if required.
It won't be easy, it won't be pretty but it needs doing and it needs doing NOW!
Other sports can do it...The PL and EFL work under separate auspices, the TCCB and the Hundred work under different auspices, various Rugby Union bodies work under different auspices, Darts wourks under different auspices.
It DOESN'T have to be "all out war" it can be a Parting of the Ways for the benefit of the Sport.
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I've never killed anyone whilst driving a train, a car, a motor bike and hope I never do,nor seriously injure someone.
The impact must affect anyone with a conscience who does.
The incident at Edinburgh when Craig's bike injured a photographer will have affected him deeply. He was totally blameless.
Mental illness is silent, it is terrible and not to be underestimated or laughed at.
Craig is many things but for gods sake let's cut him some slack and let him try to rebuild his career his confidence and his self esteem.
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On 10/31/2023 at 1:17 PM, heathen52 said:Entain are https://www.entaingroup.com/ a Gambling provider including Ladbrokes and Corals, ARC are https://www.arenaracingcompany.co.uk/ who provide the means for people to Gamble, Monmore is owned by Entain and Dunstall Park/Perry Barr are run by ARC, they have joined forces to form a company under the banner of Premier Greyhound Racing https://www.premiergreyhoundracing.co.uk/#top It is this combination that has decided no more Speedway at there Greyhound Tracks on welfare grounds.
The Greyhound Tracks do not rely on people attending Greyhound meetings in fact they actually cost money to maintain spectator facilities year in year out, the Greyhound Tracks make most of there money by streaming live greyhound meetings worldwide and are paid upwards of 30k per meeting to provide live pictures to gambling outlets, hence no need to have spectators at meetings. I have no idea if Entain wish to continue to be both a provider of racing and a receiver of bets at those meetings unless Entain want to improve there short term profits by selling such as Monmore, Hove, Romford and Crayford, I have just had a quick check of next years racing calendar and the 4 Entain Tracks are programmed to host 22 Greyhound meetings per week in 2024 so at a conservative estimate that will bring in excess of £660,000 per week just from staging Greyhound meetings so why would they sell ?.
ENTAIN do run Monmore and took over Ladbrokes
ARC do run horses at Dunstall Park and Dogs at Perry Barr.
ARC are moving Dogs to PB.
They are however and remain 2 totally different Companies and rivals.
Premier Racing is merely TV rights.
Horse Racing has 2 main UK broadcasters Sky Racing 415 who have ARC tracks amongst their clients and RUK who have Jockey Club and Irish Racing which used to be with Sky (formerly at the Races ATR)
The long term plan is that both Monmore and Dunstall Park will run Dogs under their respective Owners on the newly formed greyhound racing channel.
London used to have numerous dog tracks, Birmingham had PB and Hall Green and Wolverhampton ised to have 2 tracks Monmore and Willenhall.
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19 hours ago, uk_martin said:So, what's he found that local lads Pearson (RIP) Patchett and CVS never found in their 3 years of looking?
Geoff probably looked a lot harder and more seriously than they did at times.
Whilst Cradley were using Monmore and getting decent Crowds the intensity of the search most likely subsided.
CVS had his hands full, Pearson had his hands full as for Patchett who knows?
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54 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:Doesn't look like it!
I'd certainly like to hear something from Nigel and his Partners by the end of the week.
He's gone above and beyond and in my opinion deserves to tell his side of the story first either way.
What we don't want nor need is some form of Management Committee embargo or fudge.
If we can't run despite valiant efforts and due to Landlords we need to know soon as it is known, not as an afterthought in some BSPL fudge.
In Nigel we trust.
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1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:Why would Poole or indeed any club agree to race in a 'higher' league on an off race night which would almost certainly lead to a big financial loss - despite tv revenue (which doesnt amount to that much in the overall scheme of things!) - and already be on the back foot as regards team building, despite Poole's previous successes at that level? Especially having lost money in their last 'successful' Elite League year!!
To move up and race on a Wednesday - maybe, if they have full access to their many assets even those that may have 'agreed' 2024 with other clubs!!
(Sits back and awaits............?)
Only one reason that I've repeatedly explained.
To save the TV deal, possible litigation by Disney and the skins of Management Committee who are actual Directors of BSPL Ltd with most to lose
So if one Club Has to step up to make 6...will it be Poole or Scunthorpe?
There has to be a minimum of 6 Clubs under TV deal doesn't there?
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1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:If Oxford can't move up cos of race nights, how are Poole going to? It is the same race night!
Noaksy answers that perfectly
Poole could, Oxford can't.
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Isn't it part of the Discovery deal that PL has to have a bare minimum of 6 Clubs?
Glasgow have said no, Oxford can't as race nights not available.
I've said for weeks Poole may have to step up to save the deal.
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Wish them well
Most brownfield within that sort of time from City Centre would be either in the Monmore vicinity or on the old industrial sites round by Goodyear.
There are very nice residential areas out towards Penn, Tettenhall, Bridgnorth and Pendeford, Perton, that would never get planning permission.
Jaguar site at M54 or within current Bilston area would sound most logical.
What Wolves do have is a Council VERY keen on Sport in general, team and Olympic Sports and Amateur sports.
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1 hour ago, Deano said:We need to keep the stox and other motor sports options open, like speedway they aren't every week these days, stox could fill some of those quiet speedway weeks. Has the wheels gone yet? There's a motorsports complex under a risk of development why not push for the council to bring it to PB. Yes planning will be tough, but the covenent and the hi fact the council need cash, corbally need the income could help that case.
Wheels is being levelled and lots of other land round it bought up.
Strong local suspicion is its Knighthead, the new Owners of Bitminghan City Fc. They are in conversations with City Council to take on the site, pay for decontamination and build a 62500 roofed arena for sports, concerts etc including a secondary athletics stadia for major events and ladies football etc
Thats a 3 to 5 year plan.
Wheels as a stox venue won't exist if not already gone in reality.
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24 minutes ago, Deano said:The million dollar question is, do the decision makers around the availability of the stadium deliberately wait until after the BSPA meeting. It seems every year lately we are awaiting on a decision by the land lords and seem to either be on some kind of life line. It's like someone somewhere really does want Birmingham speedway to fail.
Can understand the logic.
However ARC have made a long term decision to move their operation to a far more salubrious venue over which they have long term control and potential.
Corbally are sat on a piece of land in a prime location with development opportunities where the leaseholder has walked and the sub tenant cannot take over financially as the leaseholder.
There is no other credible leaseholder.
The Council have been bankrupted by central Government underfunding and 2 decades of mismanagement locally by both political parties and a local Mayor who is just interested in photo opportunities and his own reelection which is unlikely
A perfect storm sadly with Speedway as the biggest loser as the other parties will most likely get what they want in the medium term. Speedway gets nothing and Mr Tolley loses a lot of money and a lot of effort.
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1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:I get all that. But when ARC move the PB dogs to the new track they'll be left with a PB lease of £300k p.a. With no income? Unless they surrender the lease back to Corbally. If Corbally aren't ready to develop PB despite pressure from council then surely there is a possibility of someone (Tolley + others?) to negotiate a short term lease for sports to continue?
I'm sure ARC will break the Lease. No one would take them on for doing that, neither Corbally nor the Council.
Corbally would then assume all ongoing costs and would have to work out minimum to open the gates. Energy, insurance, staff, so many other things. They would look to recoup a fair chunk of the 25k per month they get now.
Staff would be reduced massively and would need contracts for 12 to 15 nights a year instead of 20 to 25 a month.
Birmingham Brummies attract crowds of 500 to 600, I can't see Corbally wanting less that 10k a month, so effectively 10k a meeting. So the average crowd would may be cover the rent.
Sadly just can't see it being feasible.
Nigel will have to be very wary that the Management Committee don't screw him over just to get the 6th team.
That's the equivalent of sticking Polyfilla in the San Andrea's Fault and the Sport totally missing the point.
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9 hours ago, Skidder1 said:But presumably Boothby makes it pay at that level?
Clearly he does but I doubt if he could make Perry Barr pay if he had to take on the 300k lease per annum that ARC have taken on.
His Greyhound TV income from the tracks he controls would be a fraction of what ARC have received for a prime venue in PB. It's clear that he has successfully found a niche with a streaming option that is good at picking up medium level dog venues with lower overheads and lease / rental agreements from the top level dog venues.
The crux is that Corbally called a tune that ARC were happy to play / pay but the probability of anyone else being able to play / pay at that level without the prime TV deal is nigh on impossible. It's important to point out that an afternoon UK dogs meeting is beamed to massive massive betting markets in Asia and the Far East who are 7-8 hours ahead so prime evening betting markets on a massive scale compared to UK domestic markets.
Thats the market ARC / Entain are playing in and why they see Speedway very very sadly as being not only irrelevant but something of a pain in their Corporate necks!
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53 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:But the Oxford guy has at least 2 other greyhound tracks! Does he not get tv at those as well as at Cowley?
If he hasn't got tv then how does he make it pay? Nb Swindon dogs are still fully operational.
29 minutes ago, heathen52 said:Boothby ownes or leases several Tracks; his own Henlow, and leases on Mildenhall, Oxford, Towcester they are streamed by the other player in the Streaming business SIS https://www.sis.tv/ they used to be the main players in the Bookies streaming service but Premier Greyhound wanted a bigger slice of the pie so set up there own service, basically SIS stream from the Tracks that Premier Greyhounds don't cover..
I doubt the turnover on those smaller tracks combined is much more than one of the bigger grossing tracks like Monmore. ARC are part of a massive Group and Entain gobbled up Ladbrokes
Boothby will be playing in a lower sphere in terms of dog racing.
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38 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:What about the greyhound chap who got the Oxford stadium on a ten year lease? Where did those dogs come from?
Poole and Swindon from memory
Thats not the issue though
You need the TV to generate betting turnover and income, literally globally, particularly in the Far East.
ARC and Entain have that tied up and if you ran dogs without it, those who turn up and bet simply can't generate the turnover.
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The fact though is that Corbally are now up the creek without a paddle and a boat full of holes.
Corbally were totally reliant on ARC and their predecessor before them.
The prospects of someone taking over the dogs is nil. ARC hold the TV rights for Bags and dog racing transferred to Dunstall Park . ENTAIN formerly Ladbrokes hold TV rights at Monmore. No space for more TV rights in this neck of the woods. Not enough dogs.
Speedway is reliant on dogs or something generating the cash to cover lease ARC paid.
You might find another sub tenant, which Tolley may have alluded to when saying he might find 300k to take on the Lease but what sub tenant!??!
No chance of Stocks on noise and planning. Any other credible sport is either elsewhere like American Football, Rugby League or Union but very minority interest in Brum and stadium totally unsuitable anyway
Sad very very sad to say just cannot see a way forward without dogs?
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1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:So sorry to hear of more vandalism damage at the Coliseum in recent days. Ben Trigger has posted pics etc on Facebook.
I know we all banter a bit but no club deserves this.
They should re-home a few XL Bull Dogs and let them roam round the site at night.
That would stop the bar stewards!
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6 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:Interesting comments on both main POL Speedway websites today.
Seems from next season in all 3 POL Leagues the 2 reserve positions have to be filled by POL Juniors only and not foreign riders.
Believe there was flexibility on this in at least Lge 2 in previous seasons which meant top teams like Leszno could loan their young Aussies/Danes to get experience at reserve. Seems that window has closed.
Could that maybe sway some young Aussies to consider UK more if they cannot double up U24 POL Lge with another POL LGE ??. The Aussies also cannot ride in the POL jnr League as all riders have to be POL.
Assume they could be nominated into a main team in LGE 1/2 but that would pitch these youngsters against much more experienced rivals. I'm sure most won't want to risk throwing riders of this grade into main slots so early.
Was thinking about the likes of Zischke/West/Bowes/Cluff/Brown who all rode POL U24 last season.
Well done Poland.
What a shame we can't do exactly the same and boost our young talent.
Frankly would any on that list enhance British Speedway to the detriment of Pijper, Perry, Boughen, James, Harrison etc.
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