CrystalCastles 292 Posted February 12, 2011 Of course riders from the merger team would I imagine get preference to ride for any of the two clubs regardless to who they are contracted to. I think that will be the case, anyway if there is two promotions that can make it work it will be sheffield's & scunny's. Like your idea about coaching too. You can have all the ability in the world but that doesnt neccesarily make you a good coach. I would imagine most riders who do training schools get better with doing it & coaching people, but are more suited to passing on and emparting there knowledge and skills than the ones that dont, but i think it would be good too have a system in place for riders too get into doing this & have support available to them. The most important thing fok kids when starting riding is to make it pressure free, fun & for them to have people that they look upto coaching them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen79 6 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I would imagine the way it will work is that no new riders will be signed as assets of the 'merger club'. All new future riders will be signed as either Sheffield assets by the Sheffield promotion or Scunthorpe assets by the Scunthorpe promotion. Between them they will put together the National League team, based on a combination of their separate assets. Granted, the key thing here is the development of young British riders and i acknowledge and support that fact. I hope that other similar ventures do encourage other clubs to double up for home fixtures and put more teams into the National League. However, I do find it odd that the league table will show the name Sheffield/Scunthorpe and yet the Heathens will ride home and away against either Sheffield OR Scunthorpe, but seemingly have no contact or interaction whatsoever with the other club. Anyway, just the number one rider to announce for the team, and just about any average rider can be fitted in! I am intrigued as to who will lead the team. Edited February 12, 2011 by heathen79 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YorkshirePudding 5 Posted February 18, 2011 Says in the SS the last rider has PL experience.. has to be Cooperman surely! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen79 6 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Also says in Speedway Star now that the actual team name is not yet decided and seems they can't agree on it! Edited February 20, 2011 by heathen79 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parsloes 1928 nearly 495 Posted February 20, 2011 Sorry Ken it is not a mockery at all. This is a fusion of two Clubs who want to do all that they can to develop British Speedway riders but minimise the financial risk to themseleves in doing so in these difficult times. The merged team idea is fine and as you say, a fine tradition of such arrangents in this division. I think the point Ken was picking up on was the utterly impracticable idea that when visiting opponents, the merged team shall either be called Sheffield or Scunny based entirely on which of the two tracks are going to or have already staged the corresponding fixture... That's a semantic nonsense!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backless 538 Posted February 20, 2011 No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it???? As is often cried on here, "How would you explain that to a newcomer? It makes a mockery of the sport - only in speedway " At least the (seperate, stand alone) concern using the name of Dudley (not "Cradley")has been set up with the express intention of securing a new home in Dudley. It's not some old-time misty-eyed nostalgia trip. I wouldn't imagine that the people of Sheffield cheering on the Scunny Saints, or Lincolnshire folk shouting "C'mon Sheffield" at their own tracks. So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backless 538 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) sorry but this makes a mockery of the NL,why did they just not go under the name of HULL at least it might generate interest from Vikings fans. And kill off interest in Sheffield AND Scunthorpe. Edited February 20, 2011 by Backless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scunny1 436 Posted February 20, 2011 What has Hull got to do with it? It seems to me a regular supporter, that about 10 Hull fans bother to cross the bridge to watch the best racing in the country. If they want an identity let them set up a club in and around Hull (maybe Fozzie (superstar1 ) might bother to attend )Saints at the EWR, Prowlers, Cubs etc at Owlerton. Keeps both sets of fans happy supporting their own team ,even if that team is Scunthorpe Saints in disguise. Sheffield gain 4 extra meetings to fill their race day calendar,not convinced Scunny fans have gained anything but Rob, Neil and David know best- err maybe!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NO BRAKES NIGEL 0 Posted February 20, 2011 No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it???? As is often cried on here, "How would you explain that to a newcomer? It makes a mockery of the sport - only in speedway " At least the (seperate, stand alone) concern using the name of Dudley (not "Cradley")has been set up with the express intention of securing a new home in Dudley. It's not some old-time misty-eyed nostalgia trip. I wouldn't imagine that the people of Sheffield cheering on the Scunny Saints, or Lincolnshire folk shouting "C'mon Sheffield" at their own tracks. So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales. Too right. It looks worse to a newcomer to say Sheffield face Buxton tonight after Scunthorpe rode at Buxton yesterday or however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parsloes 1928 nearly 495 Posted February 20, 2011 No more nonsensical than Mildenhall competing in the away leg of their cup tie in essex & taking on the same opponents in hertfordshire in the league - what's Hackney got to do with it???? .... So, Sheffield turn up at (say) Belle Vue & the reverse fixture is at Sheffield. Newport visit Scunthorpe & Scunthorpe are the visitors in Wales. You're over-reacting my friend - all I'm saying as someone who writes the 'visitors page' in a number of NL progs, is that I'd rather the home punters understood the visiting team was Sheffield/Scunthorpe than try and create some sort of a pretence that one week (in the League) the side the home team was facing was 'Sheffield' and then a fortnight later (in the Cup) the same team was 'Scunthorpe'...! Not to mention the confusion caused should a rain off 'transfer' the home side across this semantic divide... I'm pefectly at ease with the concept of a side called Sheffield/Scunthorpe so surely that's fine generally isn't it...?! One team equals one name, surely.. And your words about Hackney are very misplaced; as trust me, there's a strong and well-backed campaign to restore a Speedway track to this part of East London.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parsloes 1928 nearly 495 Posted February 20, 2011 Too right. It looks worse to a newcomer to say Sheffield face Buxton tonight after Scunthorpe rode at Buxton yesterday or however. I think you've misunderstood... This kind of daftness is EXACTLY what's being 'proposed'. All the sensible voice is saying is simply call the joint team , 'Scunthorpe/Sheffield' OR an alternative neutral single name... Swapping names is simply NOT remotely sensible... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swift Saint 186 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) think you've misunderstood... This kind of daftness is EXACTLY what's being 'proposed'. All the sensible voice is saying is simply call the joint team , 'Scunthorpe/Sheffield' OR an alternative neutral single name...Swapping names is simply NOT remotely sensible... I dont find the concept the least bit difficult to understand. There is also a precednet that occurred when Exeter and Newport shared a team in 1997 when they were the Western Warriors at Exeter and the Welsh Western Warriors at Newport. Not really sure that they specified anything about the away matches I always thought of them as the Western Warriors in any event. It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. Let's be honest you only have to state what the situation is once and you can then cut and paste as you see fit from therein changing the names as necessary. Anyway you specialise in "Tea Parties". lol Malcolm Vasey Edited February 20, 2011 by Proud Potter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backless 538 Posted February 20, 2011 And your words about Hackney are very misplaced; as trust me, there's a strong and well-backed campaign to restore a Speedway track to this part of East London.. Is it being publicised by the Freemasons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backless 538 Posted February 20, 2011 It seems to me that when sound Promoters (Scunthorpe and Sheffield) select the names that best suit their marketing and promotional strategies and their sponsors that you seem to think your programme material should be considered in order to make your explanations easier to describe. Exactly, a matter of priorities. Anyway, it'll help pad out the column, writing the 1st paragraph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parsloes 1928 nearly 495 Posted February 20, 2011 Is it being publicised by the Freemasons? Hmm, I suspect only you understand what you mean by this... I certainly don't... The overwhelmingly anti-London bias by so many on this Forum has been there for all to see from the Wimbledon relaunch time to now and doubtless beyond.. Funny enuff it has only ever worked one way, though that won't stop people saying it's Londoners who have a bad attitude to everything happening outside of the capital when it's patently evidenced on here that the opposite's the case!! As for Malc's comments, well as you say the Western Warriors branded themselves (very slightly...) differently as home teams; but away from home they were called by just the one name... If you honestly think prog writers and more to the point home fans are gonna to be bothered to differentiate between what semantic version of the combined Scunny-Sheff team are in town you're living in fantasy land!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
