Mildenhall 2012

[Nikko 181]

I know what your saying HalifaxTiger my point is that the BSPA change the rules so often there is no point now still discussing what happend last season mate. As we all know they can change rules any time they want too, or it suits certain promotions.

 

We have discussed the Brundle/Heeps situation before and we agree about what went on.

 

I totally want an independent body in charge of the our sport, you know my views on the BSPA and it's interesting what Chris Louis has said in the speedway star this week and last that he may get in trouble for speaking out against them as it's fair to say Chris has been known in the past to totally defend the BSPA 100% on certain points.

 

Of course we all want a sport that adheres to it's own rules but let's be honest when did that last happen?

 

There's a fundamental problem with the setup of the sport in the UK but to use a seasonal expression "you will never get turkeys voting for Christmas" and while the promotors are also the rule makers things will get changed/amended or agreed on a case by case basis pre-season post season even during a season. I hate the phase but I think the BSPA use "in the interest of the sport".

 

Sad times my friend just look at the lack of British young talent coming into the NL but that's a whole separate topic!

 

 

 

 

 

Also let's hope the Fen Tigers give a first National League season opportunity to a young british rider at No 7.

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

I know what your saying HalifaxTiger my point is that the BSPA change the rules so often there is no point now still discussing what happend last season mate. As we all know they can change rules any time they want too, or it suits certain promotions.

 

We have discussed the Brundle/Heeps situation before and we agree about what went on.

 

I totally want an independent body in charge of the our sport, you know my views on the BSPA and it's interesting what Chris Louis has said in the speedway star this week and last that he may get in trouble for speaking out against them as it's fair to say Chris has been known in the past to totally defend the BSPA 100% on certain points.

 

Of course we all want a sport that adheres to it's own rules but let's be honest when did that last happen?

 

There's a fundamental problem with the setup of the sport in the UK but to use a seasonal expression "you will never get turkeys voting for Christmas" and while the promotors are also the rule makers things will get changed/amended or agreed on a case by case basis pre-season post season even during a season. I hate the phase but I think the BSPA use "in the interest of the sport".

 

Sad times my friend just look at the lack of British young talent coming into the NL but that's a whole separate topic!

 

Thing is they didn't change the rules they just ignored them to suit the needs of a couple of teams. Not an everyday occurrence, but not totally exceptional one either.

 

Just because we have never had speedway adhering to its own rules in the past doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't happen in the future.

 

Its not in the interests of the sport, its in the interests of certain individuals within the sport and its at the cost of its own integrity. Chris Louis comments are typical of a member of the BSPA: critical when a decision goes against his team, aquiescent at every other time.

 

You're right on one thing, and that is that my views are pi**ing in the wind.

[norwichkev 66]

Thing is they didn't change the rules they just ignored them to suit the needs of a couple of teams. Not an everyday occurrence, but not totally exceptional one either.

 

Just because we have never had speedway adhering to its own rules in the past doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't happen in the future.

 

Its not in the interests of the sport, its in the interests of certain individuals within the sport and its at the cost of its own integrity. Chris Louis comments are typical of a member of the BSPA: critical when a decision goes against his team, aquiescent at every other time.

 

You're right on one thing, and that is that my views are pi**ing in the wind.

Totally agree with Nikko's solution, but can't see that happening - just be grateful we are not EL with the shenanigans that appear to go on there on a far more regular basis.

 

But put a balance on it, judging by previous threads Mildenhall are not the first who appear ( and we do not know the total siuation regarding Camo ) to benefit from a decision that appears debateable. On the flip side, Mildenhall are not the only side who benefitted it would appear that gates were up at a number of tracks where he appeared which is additional revenue - although doesn't make it right.

 

The get out always seems to be "within the best interests of the sport", I would suggest within the rules of the sport should be the reason - or IF there are extenuating circumstances then a statement that contains total transparency on the situation.

 

Kev

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

Totally agree with Nikko's solution, but can't see that happening - just be grateful we are not EL with the shenanigans that appear to go on there on a far more regular basis.

 

But put a balance on it, judging by previous threads Mildenhall are not the first who appear ( and we do not know the total siuation regarding Camo ) to benefit from a decision that appears debateable. On the flip side, Mildenhall are not the only side who benefitted it would appear that gates were up at a number of tracks where he appeared which is additional revenue - although doesn't make it right.

 

The get out always seems to be "within the best interests of the sport", I would suggest within the rules of the sport should be the reason - or IF there are extenuating circumstances then a statement that contains total transparency on the situation.

 

Kev

 

Actually, Kev, the way I see it Mildenhall are actually probably the most blameless party of all.

 

Denied their number one rider against the rules of the sport, they simply insisted on compensation and that's not unreasonable in the circumstances. All the other parties - the promoter that stopped Brundle riding, the person at the BSPA that made the decisions, the other NL clubs who let it happen without a noise - are far more guilty in my view.

[turtle 21]

Cameron Heaps qualified because of British ancestry.

 

I think either his mother or father was born in Britain or one of his grandparents were.

 

Anyone knows exactly how Cameron qualified?

 

Mildenhall speedway in 2011 would have been worse off without Cameron Heaps!

strange. by that logic surely all aussie riders would qualify for british passports as they all come from descendants who were banished to australia from england many years ago as a result of certain misdemeneours

[PhilK 150]

I think it's time everyone moved on from Camerons qualification last season. At the end of the day the BSPA approved him to ride in the NL for the Fen Tigers. The rights or wrongs of that decision don't really matter now, as we know rules change every minute in speedway.

 

It will be interesting to see if the Fen Tigers use Cam in 2012, personally I would let him concentrate on Premier League and for the Fen Tigers to move on.

 

Anyway whatever happens I wish the Fen Tigers all the best for next season.

 

Nikko

 

Agree 100% Nikko, time to move on i'd think.

 

Interesting point about using Cameron in 2012. Although he was a great rider for us and a crowd puller last season, I too would consider going without him and maybe looking to line up along the lines of

 

1. Branford

2. A Baseby

3. Jacobs

4. Nielsen

5. Blackbird

6. Halsey

7. A 3 pointer.

 

Being able to have Danny start at reserve would ensure we had one very powerful reserve all season, which would be a useful weapon when looking at the other sides.

 

PS - The side above is just my opinion and a suggested potential starting seven. A previously suggested seven caused some upset in certain areas

[TMW 533]

I think it's time everyone moved on from Camerons qualification last season. At the end of the day the BSPA approved him to ride in the NL for the Fen Tigers. The rights or wrongs of that decision don't really matter now, as we know rules change every minute in speedway.

 

It will be interesting to see if the Fen Tigers use Cam in 2012, personally I would let him concentrate on Premier League and for the Fen Tigers to move on.

 

Anyway whatever happens I wish the Fen Tigers all the best for next season.

 

Nikko

 

I supose the thing is the way he came in was always going to raise an eyebrow or 2 as Branford and Morris didn't seem to have the same 'issues' and Alex Davies did. Lets hope a new controversy raises it's ugly head and this one will become tomorrows chip paper . Maybe they should revert to the old rule where patriality allowed you into the NL on 6 points. It would save all this

[villiers210 61]

I supose the thing is the way he came in was always going to raise an eyebrow or 2 as Branford and Morris didn't seem to have the same 'issues' and Alex Davies did. Lets hope a new controversy raises it's ugly head and this one will become tomorrows chip paper . Maybe they should revert to the old rule where patriality allowed you into the NL on 6 points. It would save all this

 

The thing is, the problem hasn't gone away, nor will it become tomorrows chip paper.The problem has just moved up a league that's all. My understanding is that Cameron starts as Ipwich reserve on a 3 point average in 2012. Deja Vu?

[2ndbendpostie 28]

Simple answer, all riders from wherever in the world are eligiible, why favour the Brits ?, if they are not better than the foreigners then they should bloody well put the effort in, if Aussie riders are keen enough to travel thousands of miles to further there carreers then bloody good luck to them. Motor racing doesnt penalise foreigners, cricket doesnt, football doesnt, normal everyday working lives doesnt, so why the hell does speedway think its any different.

 

Do we remember riders like Reg Trott and Billy Bales at Norwich Stars, as good a riders as they were ?, no we remember Ove Fundin and Olle Nygren, foreign riders have kept British speedway interesting for years its nothing new.

[villiers210 61]

Simple answer, all riders from wherever in the world are eligiible, why favour the Brits ?, if they are not better than the foreigners then they should bloody well put the effort in, if Aussie riders are keen enough to travel thousands of miles to further there carreers then bloody good luck to them. Motor racing doesnt penalise foreigners, cricket doesnt, football doesnt, normal everyday working lives doesnt, so why the hell does speedway think its any different.

 

Do we remember riders like Reg Trott and Billy Bales at Norwich Stars, as good a riders as they were ?, no we remember Ove Fundin and Olle Nygren, foreign riders have kept British speedway interesting for years its nothing new.

i don't disagree with your sentiments one bit. However, a level playing ground for all wouldn't go amiss.

[2ndbendpostie 28]

i don't disagree with your sentiments one bit. However, a level playing ground for all wouldn't go amiss.

 

So will the NL AGM in January agree such simple obvious rules for season 2012 ?

[berniev123 58]

I supose the thing is the way he came in was always going to raise an eyebrow or 2 as Branford and Morris didn't seem to have the same 'issues' and Alex Davies did. Lets hope a new controversy raises it's ugly head and this one will become tomorrows chip paper . Maybe they should revert to the old rule where patriality allowed you into the NL on 6 points. It would save all this

 

Rob Branford has patriality and has pinned his flag to the UK from what I understand from an edition of the Speedway Star.

Nick Morris' dad is from Netherton....................just up the road from Dudley Wood Stadium (Cradley Heath Heathens land which some will say is foreign....I have beeen a Heathens fan for decades!).

I always thought that when Dudley was declared as opening at Monmore Wood just after Nick signed for Glasgow and then Buxton was a pity as it stopped Nick doing his dads' dream......him being a Heathen! So he has patriality.

 

That is what I am led to believe around the Black Country anyway.

 

Wished I had never answered the post saying that Cameron should be on a reduced average now. As I said earlier "a steal on 12 points" as he is brilliant and we could have done with him at #7 last season at Dudley

[villiers210 61]

So will the NL AGM in January agree such simple obvious rules for season 2012 ?

I think we all reaised a long time ago that the words "BSPA" "simple" and "obvious" do not belong in the same sentence.

[WIE-JA 72]

Simple answer, all riders from wherever in the world are eligiible, why favour the Brits ?, if they are not better than the foreigners then they should bloody well put the effort in, if Aussie riders are keen enough to travel thousands of miles to further there carreers then bloody good luck to them. Motor racing doesnt penalise foreigners, cricket doesnt, football doesnt, normal everyday working lives doesnt, so why the hell does speedway think its any different.

 

Do we remember riders like Reg Trott and Billy Bales at Norwich Stars, as good a riders as they were ?, no we remember Ove Fundin and Olle Nygren, foreign riders have kept British speedway interesting for years its nothing new.

 

The Brits are favoured in this League as it was originaly set up to give young British riders a chance to develop their skills. Otherwise why bother with league at all? Why bother spending money on 2nd halfs when the money could be saved and used to bring Scandinavians over who are a ready made product? Also I think the NL is classed as semi-professional so when it comes to foreign riders competing the Department for Work and Pensions get involved with work permits etc.

[2ndbendpostie 28]

The Brits are favoured in this League as it was originaly set up to give young British riders a chance to develop their skills. Otherwise why bother with league at all? Why bother spending money on 2nd halfs when the money could be saved and used to bring Scandinavians over who are a ready made product? Also I think the NL is classed as semi-professional so when it comes to foreign riders competing the Department for Work and Pensions get involved with work permits etc.

 

I view speedway as 2 hours entertainment on a Sunday afternoon, you probably view it much more seriously, but without my money and the money of many others who want entertainment, then I'm sorry you have to include the best riders available otherwise we spend our money elsewhere. Speedway is fun ,but its competing with many other places for our disposable income,if you want a league to develop youngsters thats fine, do it with 2nd halves not as a stand alone admission charging event.