fullbore 129 Posted July 20, 2013 It's a suggesting for a rule govening replacing riders with a reserve. Replace a rider for tactical reasons early and if you have an injury later you have no reserve to use. A risk for managers to assess. Niamh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted July 20, 2013 The original rider replaced for tactical reasons can come back into his programmed rides later whilst the reserve can be used to replace the injured guy. All at the Team mangers discretion, up to the reserves maximum number of rides. We could choose that to be 4, 5 or 6 if we wanted in this hypothetical situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shale Shaker 106 Posted July 20, 2013 Where we gonna find 7 riders to mix it with the Aussie's Danes Poles? Indeed. If it were a proper tournament, I very much doubt we would be taking part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted July 20, 2013 1 Four riders per team with a reserve that can replace any rider at any time. (Just like in the old days). 2 20 heats with the last four being nominated just as now. 3 No joker or tac subs allowed. This will prevent any team from getting their riders to slow down or retire, so that they can play a tac sub or joker, as what happens nowadays. 4 Host nation (if need) to be seeded to the race-off but never to the final. Let them earn their place like all other teams. 5 Winners of first and second events going though to the final. Second place and highest scoring third place team to the race-off. Top two teams in the race-off going through to the final. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frigbo 524 Posted July 20, 2013 A reserve is a must - max of 5 rides - all riders in main team must have a minimum of 1 ride. Reserve can't take joker ride. Joker at 10 points down - that way two successive heat wins still mean team trailing are behind (9 point swing max), cannot be used after heat 16. No tac subs. World Cup to only be held every 4 years. It's devalued by taking place every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullbore 129 Posted July 20, 2013 The original rider replaced for tactical reasons can come back into his programmed rides later whilst the reserve can be used to replace the injured guy. I'm suggesting that once a rider is replaced he can't come back into the meeting. Niamh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted July 20, 2013 I'm suggesting that once a rider is replaced he can't come back into the meeting. Niamh I get that. But why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krompa 236 Posted July 20, 2013 Title decided by joker again. lool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mothorsen 39 Posted July 20, 2013 1 Four riders per team with a reserve that can replace any rider at any time. (Just like in the old days). 2 20 heats with the last four being nominated just as now. 3 No joker or tac subs allowed. This will prevent any team from getting their riders to slow down or retire, so that they can play a tac sub or joker, as what happens nowadays. 4 Host nation (if need) to be seeded to the race-off but never to the final. Let them earn their place like all other teams. 5 Winners of first and second events going though to the final. Second place and highest scoring third place team to the race-off. Top two teams in the race-off going through to the final. Either this or reigning world champions get to defend the title. Seeding a team is wrong never the less. Meetings should also be held at neutral grounds, but we'd get two and a half people watching. Perhaps stage it at a venue which isn't a regular speedway track. Otherwise I quite agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted July 20, 2013 Firstly I would slightly change the race format but it still runs over 16 heats and 4 nominated races. Secondly, change the JOKER to be used when EIGHT behind the leaders and tac subs when six behind. HOST NATION; Seeded to the RACE OFF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,862 Posted July 21, 2013 Firstly I would slightly change the race format but it still runs over 16 heats and 4 nominated races. Secondly, change the JOKER to be used when EIGHT behind the leaders and tac subs when six behind. HOST NATION; Seeded to the RACE OFF Why keep the joker? Do you actully want to see riders, retiring/avoid to pass on purpose just so that they can use the joker for double points? Sure the leading team can do the same to prevent the use of joker but I don't want to see several riders per heat doing their best to try and avoid scoring any points in the heat. I want to see riders doing their best ro win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) If they insist on keeping the joker, which they will, then let the joker only be used when 8pts behind. That way a team who are 8pts behind cannot level the scores in the joker heat as Poland did in the Final. That is an unfair rule. SWC should be won by the best team and not a team who gets 3 extra points for a joker ride. Leave tactical sub as 6pts behind as that only scores 3pts maximum. Host nation NOT seeded to final. Maybe seed to Play Off Edited July 23, 2013 by marky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,983 Posted July 24, 2013 Host nation NOT seeded to final. Maybe seed to Play Off The problem is easy to solve - run the Semi-Finals and then the Race-Off and Final as double headers. You could just about run 2 meetings of 16 heats back-to-back - so run the two semis with the host nation in one together as one meeting. If the host nation qualifies for the Final then that's fine, otherwise they automatically qualify for the Race-Off. Then stage the Race-Off and Final together as one meeting. The host nation is then in every meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) The problem is easy to solve - run the Semi-Finals and then the Race-Off and Final as double headers. You could just about run 2 meetings of 16 heats back-to-back - so run the two semis with the host nation in one together as one meeting. If the host nation qualifies for the Final then that's fine, otherwise they automatically qualify for the Race-Off. Then stage the Race-Off and Final together as one meeting. The host nation is then in every meeting. Fine in Theory. But did you go to the Fours at Peterborough? . Edited July 24, 2013 by Grand Central Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) I cannot see them ridding the competition of the Joker, so I suggest putting a rule alongside it... when a meeting reaches a time suspicious rider actions may take place. Any opposing team manager who thinks a suspicious tactic may be about to take place could nominate the team/rider he expects to act suspicious with a "Clown" ride, in which the rider under suspiciion of about to throw the race would have to wear a big red nose on his helmet. If he (the "Clown" rider) proves his nomination is of the "Clown" tag is wrongful and he doesn't begin acting daft by having this mysterious engine failure or believe he's done four laps and stops after two, then his points would be trebled and the team that thought he was about to throw the race would have their points deducted by x3 of what the "Clown" rider scored. You could call this a Cynicla Foul. If the "Clown" rider does as the opposing team manager expects and throws that race, then the rider would have a big bucket of water thrown over him as he walks across the centre green, followed by a shed full of flour, as the "Clown" rider looks/acts disappointed and puzzled at his first engine failure of the season. He would have to race the rest of the meeting covered in flour, which would be good for tv viewers. What do you think of that? Edited July 24, 2013 by moxey63 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
