Glasgow 1982-86 Info Reqd - Updated 6/10/14

[daveallan81 330]

Updated 06/10/14

 

Practically all of these requests require having a marked meeting programme to hand and/or an elephantine memory.

 

1982

 

14/05/82 v Boston (NL) - Boston #8 & Ht 15: Framingham/G.Wilson helmet colours

 

21/05/82 v Exeter (NL) - Ht 12: Millard/Brewer helmet colours

 

04/06/82 v Milton Keynes (NL) - Ht 14: White/Sparshott helmet colours

 

21/06/82 at Newcastle (NL4TT) - Glasgow reserve

 

07/07/82 v Oxford (NL) - Ht 8: Drury/Cross helmet colours

 

11/07/82 at Boston (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/MacLean helmet colours

 

18/07/82 v Peterborough (NL) - Ht 1: Confirm result - Mason fell or 4th

 

18/07/82 v Peterborough (NL) - Ht 5: Confirm result - Hines/Buck 3rd/4th

 

24/07/82 at Stoke (NL) - Ht 16: Confirm result - Caffrey 4th or f or f'rem

 

30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 5: Confirm result - Barney 4th or ret

 

30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 10: Confirm result - A.Hines 4th or ret

 

30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 16: Confirm result - M.Hines exc,tapes or reserve replacement

 

13/08/82 v Scunthorpe (NL) - Ht 14: Teager/Parr helmet colours

 

20/08/82 v Berwick - Confirm Heats 1 & 4 times

 

27/08/82 v Stoke - Ht 16: Burdfield/Sant helmet colours

 

04/09/82 v Weymouth (NL) - Silver Helmet heat results

 

11/09/82 at Berwick (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/K.McKinna helmet colours

 

All away 2nd half details.

 

Home 2nd half details for: 14/05 v Boston, 21/05 v Exeter, 04/06 v Milton Keynes, 18/06 NL4TTQR, 02/07 v Newcastle, 07/07 v Oxford, 06/08 v Middlesbrough, 13/08 v Scunthorpe, 27/08 v Stoke, 10/09 v Crayford, 17/09 v Rye House and 22/10 v Buccaneers.

1983

 

10/04/83 at Mildenhall (NL) - Mildenhall #8

 

11/04/83 at Scunthorpe (NL) - Ht 16: McMillan/Powell helmet colours

 

25/04/83 at Exeter (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/McKinna helmet colours

 

15/05/83 v Edinburgh (CH) - Ht 14: Confirm result - Walsh exc or ret

 

30/05/83 at Newcastle (NL) - Ht 14: Reid/McMillan helmet colours

 

08/07/83 v Weymouth - Scottish Junior League heat details & any other 2nd half races

 

19/07/83 at Weymouth - Ht 13: Evans/Irving helmet colours

 

16/09/83 v Edinburgh (Postponed) - Programme printed? (No re-issue)

All Away 2nd half details.

1984

17/06/84 at Berwick (NL4TTQR 4th Leg) - Middlesbrough reserve

 

23/06/84 at Stoke - Ht 6: Confirm result - Owen exc or fell

(SStar says exc, marked prog says fell)

 

15/07/84 at Long Eaton - Ht 8: Lawson/Collins helmet colours

 

05/08/84 v Edinburgh - Ht 4: Confirm result - Cassels 4th or fell or f'rem

(SStar says fell, one marked prog says 4th, another says fell)

 

31/08/84 v Weymouth - Ht 5: Confirm result - McKinna 4th or fell or f'rem

(SStar says fell, marked prog says 4th)

 

07/09/84 v Mildenhall - Ht 10: Confirm result - Bales 4th or ret

(SStar says 4th, one marked prog says ret, another says 4th)

 

09/09/84 at Mildenhall - Glasgow #8

All away 2nd half details.

1985

 

12/04/85 v Poole - Heat 10: Confirm result - Biles exc or f,exc

(Two marked programmes have 'exc', another programme and Speedway Star report 'f,exc')

 

20/04/85 at Stoke - 2nd half results

 

21/04/85 at Birmingham - 2nd half results

 

26/04/85 v Berwick - Rider of the Night 2nd place heat times

 

18/05/85 at Canterbury - 2nd half results

 

19/05/85 at Mildenhall - 2nd half results

 

02/06/85 at Workington (Inter. Chal.) - All heat results & 2nd half details

 

20/06/85 at Middlesbrough 4TT - Reserve race results

 

22/06/85 at Berwick 4TT - Reserve race results

 

30/06/85 at Eastbourne - ROTN Heat 3 2nd place time

 

02/07/85 at Poole - Silver Helmet Match Race Time

 

03/07/85 at Wimbledon - ROTN Final heat time

 

25/07/85 at Arena Essex - 2nd half results

 

26/07/85 at Peterborough - 2nd half results

 

01/08/85 at Middlesbrough - 2nd half results

 

07/08/85 at Edinburgh - 2nd half results

 

25/10/85 at Birmingham - 2nd half results

 

1986

 

04/04/86 at Peterborough (NL) - 2nd half results

30/04/86 at Edinburgh (KOC) - 2nd half results

12/06/86 at Middlesbrough (NL4TT) - Additional races results

13/06/86 at Edinburgh (NL4TT) - Additional races results

14/06/86 v Edin v Midd v Berw (NL4TT) - Ht 9: Confirm result - Burrows ret or fell or f'rem,ret

15/06/86 at Berwick (NL4TT) - Additional races results

13/07/86 at Hackney (NL Pairs) - Tigers scorers and finishing position

23/07/86 at Long Eaton (NL) - 2nd half results

27/07/86 at Birmingham (NL) - 2nd half results

28/07/86 at Exeter (NL) - 2nd half results

29/07/86 at Poole (NL) - 2nd half results

12/08/86 at Milton Keynes (NL) - 2nd half results

13/08/86 at Wimbledon - 2nd half results

14/08/86 at Arena-Essex (NL) - Confirm 2nd half results

28/08/86 at Middlesbrough (NL) - Middlesbrough #8 & NJL match heat results

31/08/86 at Mildenhall (NL) - Confirm 1st or 2nd in double header with Peterborough

08/09/86 at Newcastle (NL) - Ht 10: Beaton/Cooper helmet colours

03/10/86 v Birmingham (NL) - Birmingham captain & confirm Heat 4 Caffrey - reserve rep. or exc, 2 mins.

Edited October 6, 2014 by daveallan81

[Guest]

Have you tried the 'Speedway Researcher'?

[daveallan81 330]

Have you tried the 'Speedway Researcher'?

 

Indeed I have, and several of the contributors. As I said it really needs people who were at the meetings in question and who are armed with a marked programme. I have Speedway Stars for seasons 83 & 84, and a 1985 file compiled from Star/Mail results. I also have the 1986 yearbook to work from. Plus of course most of the meeting programmes, but many of the aways were completed using the Star results. The files for these seasons are destined for Speedway Researcher, so I'd like to get them as accurate and complete as possible before publishing.

[cyclingbison 14]

Scunthorpe v Glasgow 11/4/1983

 

There were two changes in Glasgow's team line-up but Heat 16 was as per programme:

 

Red - Nigel Crabtree (2 points)

Blue - Rob Hollingworth (1 point)

White - Steve Lawson (3 points) Winning Time = 68.0

Y/B - Harry Maclean (0 points)

[Wessex Wanderer 148]

26/4/83 at Weymouth

 

Biles and Humphreys rode in first start as per programme. Both fell in same incident. Humphreys excluded.

 

Before restart Biles had bike problems and despite borrowing a bike from Yeates was excluded under the 2 minute rule.

 

Martin took the place of Biles and won the race from the back for a 3-3.

 

Hope this helps.

[steve19620 26]

Hi Dave

 

Here's 1985 heat results from the Middlesbrough 4 Team Tournament 20 June

 

Ht 01: Pusey, McDermott, M.McKinna, Trownson 64.8

Ht 02: Dixon, Saunders, Cribb, Crang 65.0

Ht 03: Lawson, Wilcock, Finch, McMillan 64.0 (Equals Track Record)

Ht 04: Fiora, B.Beaton, C.McKinna, J.Beaton 65.0

Ht 05: Pusey, Lawson, C.McKinna, Saunders 65.0

Ht 06: Dixon, McMillan, J.Beaton, Trownson 65.4

Ht 07: Cribb, B.Beaton, M.McKinna, Wilcock 65.2

Ht 08: Fiora, Finch, McDermott (awarded), Crang (f exc) 65.4

Ht 09: Pusey, Finch, Cribb, J.Beaton 66.2

Ht 10: Lawson, McDermott, Dixon, B.Beaton 65.4

Ht 11: Wilcock, C.McKinna, Jeffrey, Crang 66.4

Ht 12: McMillan, Saunders, Fiora, M.McKinna 66.0

Ht 13: Finch, Dixon, C.McKinna, M.McKinna 65.4

Ht 14: McMillan, B.Beaton, Crang, Pusey (ef) 66.0

Ht 15: Wilcock, McDermott, Saunders, J.Beaton 66.6

Ht 16: Grant, Fiora, Jeffrey, Lawson 66.6

 

I don't have the reserve races - these are taken from the Speedway Star

 

Here's the second half results from Glasgow's visit to Ellesmere Port on 2 May

 

Junior Jaunt: Steve Mildoon, Glenn Ratcliffe, Paul Schofield (exc 2 mins), Geoff Radcliffe (exc 2 mins)

Grand Slam Qualifier 1: Louis Carr, Dave Morton, Andy Reid, Richie Owen

Grand Slam Qualifier 2: Joe Owen, Steve Lawson, Paul Heyes, David Cassells, David Walsh (exc tapes)

Grand Slam Qualifier 3: Phil Alderman, Miles Evans, Colin Caffrey, Brian Collins

Reserves race: Steve Mildoon, Richie Owen, Paul Heyes, Jim Beaton

Rider of the night: Louis Carr, Phil Alderman, Dave Morton, Joe Owen (exc tapes)

Junior race: Steve Mildoon, Paul Heyes, Glenn Ratcliffe, Geoff Radcliffe

 

No times were given due to a Public address failure !

 

As a "collector" of heat results I will be interested in a response to the Milton Keynes and Berwick 1985 heat results. It looks like the fourth place finishers are not all correct (basing these on the number of rides) quoted in the yearbook and the Speedway Mail.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Steve

Edited September 18, 2013 by steve19620

[daveallan81 330]

Scunthorpe v Glasgow 11/4/1983

 

There were two changes in Glasgow's team line-up but Heat 16 was as per programme:

 

Red - Nigel Crabtree (2 points)

Blue - Rob Hollingworth (1 point)

White - Steve Lawson (3 points) Winning Time = 68.0

Y/B - Harry Maclean (0 points)

 

Harry MacLean had retired by then, David Cassels rode at No. 4. The fact your race winner was marked in white may just answer my question though. Speedway Star reports result as McMillan, Crabtree, Hollingworth, Powell with Lawson excluded on 2 mins. I wondered if Powell was a replacement for Cassels in Y/B, then Jimmy Mac was brought in on a TS when Steve blew out on 2 mins.

[cyclingbison 14]

Harry MacLean had retired by then, David Cassels rode at No. 4. The fact your race winner was marked in white may just answer my question though. Speedway Star reports result as McMillan, Crabtree, Hollingworth, Powell with Lawson excluded on 2 mins. I wondered if Powell was a replacement for Cassels in Y/B, then Jimmy Mac was brought in on a TS when Steve blew out on 2 mins.

 

How about that, sorry Dave.

 

I had recently thought about having done with all this history lark and clearing-out my collection of programmes altogether. For what it's evidently worth it seems I may as well do exactly that. Unless, of course, you'd be able and willing to send me the correct results for 35 years worth in exchange for my miserable attempt at one single race for you. Deal?

 

Valuable lesson: just leave it to the captains of rigour or, at the very least, cross-refer if what you've got is written in unrecognised handwriting. To which point I would add, I'd be very wary of taking anything I submitted in my previous post as answering your question. Were the helmet colours even white, back then?

 

Yours, humbly perplexed (i.e., who exactly is responsible for badly marking my programme?).

[daveallan81 330]

How about that, sorry Dave.

 

I had recently thought about having done with all this history lark and clearing-out my collection of programmes altogether. For what it's evidently worth it seems I may as well do exactly that. Unless, of course, you'd be able and willing to send me the correct results for 35 years worth in exchange for my miserable attempt at one single race for you. Deal?

 

Valuable lesson: just leave it to the captains of rigour or, at the very least, cross-refer if what you've got is written in unrecognised handwriting. To which point I would add, I'd be very wary of taking anything I submitted in my previous post as answering your question. Were the helmet colours even white, back then?

 

Yours, humbly perplexed (i.e., who exactly is responsible for badly marking my programme?).

 

Your attempts were noble, good sir (who I believe was making his debut for a certain team that night, or have I grabbed the wrong end of the bison?) and much good will come of the marked white helmet colour race win. Keep those old programmes, and you could do worse than take a meander through the http://www.speedwayresearcher.org.uk/ website. Then put the kettle on, get the boxes from the attic, and check the results of as many programmes as you can. You know you want to...

[cyclingbison 14]

“If you’re going to box, box, but next time you want to go into the corners that slowly, set-off behind me!”

 

I know Speedway Researcher doesn’t busy itself with such ‘fluid’ details, but if you can let me know if any riders were excluded for unfair riding during this Scunthorpe v Glasgow meeting, at least that would re-assure me that the memory of over-hearing those words spoken in the pits doesn't belong to the same phantom world in which I was led to believe Harry Maclean scored zero from five rides!

 

Since your post of 19th September, daveallan81, somehow the name Harry Maclean has wormed its way into my nightmares, and all because of what’s turned out to be a terrible programme, ever so badly marked.

 

It even says Kevin Armitage got a five-ride paid maximum and took the track record in Heat 8 and then again in Heat 16 ahead of 'God,' and that, needless to say, doesn’t even bear thinking about (or do you think that was some kind of joke?)!

 

In short, if ever I needed assistance with my history, it's now!

Edited October 1, 2013 by cyclingbison

[daveallan81 330]

http://www.dropbox.com/s/qx9zeza6ok3itl4/19830411ScunvGlas.pdf

 

Here's the racecard and results sheet for the meeting in question.

 

Heat 6 had some argy bargy with Crabtree and McKinna seemingly excluded in separate incidents but no further mention of it in despatches. Not sure what you've got going down with Armitage but he only took 3 rides,wasn't in heat 16 (and neither was Steve), and the time of the race he won was bettered by 6 others on the night!

 

Harry retired after the Middlesbrough match on 8th April. He took a heavy fall in the previous weeks opening meeting and was clearly under par against the Boro, scoring just 3 from 6. According to Dick Barrie reporting in the same weeks Speedway Star Harry 'took the brunt of the crowd's discontent after the Middlesbrough defeat' which was true, although it must be said if John Walmsley hadn't fallen while leading THREE times the home Tigers would surely have prevailed. But it was Harry who the fans made the scapegoat. It's also reported he sold all his equipment to Kenny McKinna. With Martin McKinna sidelined with chicken pox, Tigers' were forced to draft in a local junior to compete at Mildenhall on the Sunday and Scunny on the Monday. Harry made a one-off return in a second-half race later in the season but retired again afterwards.

 

Here's the 83 Tigers http://www.dropbox.com/s/8frdwrpwivmml4t/Craighead%20Park%201983%20Team%20Picture%2015th%20May%20v%20Edinburgh.jpg

[cyclingbison 14]

Must confess, I made that bit up about Kevin Armitage. But didn't he used to wear all black and ride like a demon? Just the sort most likely to dash the hopes of 'God,' I would've thought. Somehow it does seem appropriate Kevin should've ended up with a score of 6.

 

It is the case, though, that I had Steve Lawson down for an 18 point max and Harry Maclean zero from five, plus other horror stories I won't go into (the pure white of the tippex will cover those tracks!).

 

Incredibly, at the end of it all my programme still gets the final score spot on.

 

A merciful relief, then, that despite the early exclusion, the fall, the inevitable meandering, the misleading details and the passage of many years, I had got something right after all - looking more closely at the handwriting, passed down from my father, I believe.

 

Come to think of it, he must've been filling-in the programme while on mechanic's duty in the pits (really ought to have a word sometime!), which can only mean one of two things: lest he be considered a less than committed spanner man, arriving at 51-44 was either a complete fluke or a work of infinite genius. The jury (i.e. me) has long since cast its verdict!

 

Thanks for the links to your dropbox, Dave; I dare say an impressive repository of fathomless depths (virtually speaking).

 

Had the Tigers been able to put that team out against the Stags (i.e. nine fit riders, one injured = the perfect 10) the rather messy history of this programme would surely have been turned on its head, including the 'proven' fact in Richard Scott's match report and especially the end result. Didn't the good folk of Glasgow always have other ideas, Richard?

 

Cheers!

Edited October 3, 2013 by cyclingbison

[daveallan81 330]

My memories of Kevin Armitage are mainly from his very brief spell as a Tiger in 1985 which didn't go too well. He was indeed of the 'any colour of leathers as long as they're black' brigade. I think he retired at the end of 85, I can't find any mention of him in my 86 files.

 

Glasgow used 22 riders in official competition in 1983 with 18 of them appearing in less than half the total matches. McMillan, Lawson, Reid and Caffrey were the 'perfect 4'

[cyclingbison 14]

Must say I've felt a little guilty since my last post on this subject, re: Kevin Armitage.

 

I hope it was obvious that my comments regarding Kevin were not meant to be taken at all seriously, fundamentally based, as they were, on culturally constructed claptrap!

 

In any case, an online photograph taken at Barrow in 1985 reveals that any dark symbolism represented by his black leathers was ameliorated by single white stripes down each arm. Phew! And, of course, any significance implied by his score of six against Glasgow is immediately rendered invalid by the fact he also scored two bonus points.

 

Thank heavens, therefore, that speedway is a motorsport in which black and white combine beautifully in the end, and the ethos of team-riding is encouraged and formally recognised in the format.

 

Indeed, when that chequered flag is most vigorously waved to mark the final victory, a very attractive, mature blur of grey is the end result - extremes in colour all gone. Marvellous! And bonus points are what I like to call a truly sporting SOS. They are doubly great. Just ask Kevin Armitage!

 

However, that last point must surely lead anyone who feels the same to declare: what a shame that payment of the third-place bonus point was scrapped in the Premier League for 2013!

 

If that rule change can be said to mirror the changing values in wider society, then current riders can no doubt look forward to a future of cuts that includes the following:

 

The introduction of zero-race contracts;

 

Each team being made up of totally unsuitable long-term unemployed people, 'volunteered' to ride for free or risk losing all of their increasingly inadequate social security;

 

The Somerset Rebels would become Somerset Slaves (which would have a certain logic to it);

 

There’ll be no banking at any track: ‘riders’ could get their food when the banks opened in the nearest church basement the following morning, and;

 

Those air fences won’t be put firmly into place after all, leading to widespread speculation it's actually a badger-type cull of the poorest that is really on the agenda.

 

Look, I’d be the first to admit this is all becoming very confusing. Who knows what’s really going on now within this historical thread? But all I see these days are increasing numbers of marginalised, ‘virtual’ citizens sitting-up and begging along the sides of what we once called the superhighway and no one appearing to give a damn. And that can only mean one of two things: either living alone in the pits is somehow in vogue these days, or lots of people are being unfairly excluded from the race. It’s about time the narrative of this programme evolved for the better, don’t you think? It’s not so much rider replacement that’s needed, but perhaps the revival of the tactical substitute. Then, hopefully, finishing all square in the spirit of ‘45 - ‘45 will be the end result? Too ideal? Nowhere bloody near!

 

Sorry, but there’s no need to think too deeply about any of this. Just as before, these comments are not meant to be taken at all seriously, oh no!!

 

Anyway, out of guilt I am duty bound to return to my first sentence, and now is as good a time as any…

 

What I wrote in my earlier post could have been interpreted as unnecessarily disparaging remarks about Kevin Armitage, and I apologise for that. The real reason for writing them, I suspect, was probably born out of the fact that back in 1983, at junior level, Kevin was quite an intimidating opponent. Not because of anything negative - much less demonic - but based on his relative experience and competitiveness. For opposing juniors he was nigh-on unbeatable round Ashby Ville. Though happily he also proved to be quite generous, too. For example, following the Scunthorpe v Glasgow meeting in question, an engine failure he suffered in effect gifted a second-half Junior Challenge match to the Sheffield Tiger Cubs. Belated thanks, Kevin!

 

Then again, I am relying on my badly marked programme for that information. Hmm…

 

Ok, how about this? Alternatively, perhaps following that 15-point paid maximum, the registering of two track records and the beating of ‘God,’ Kevin had immediately announced his retirement and promptly left the stadium by high-flying helicopter to begin a career across the Atlantic in phoney old Tinseltown, his place in the second-half taken by THE ‘nearly-man,’ otherwise masquerading as Dave Jessup, who, as we know, always seemed to suffer a cruel break-down just when it mattered the most. In the end, when all the dust had settled, to everyone’s amazement the cutest of toothless Tiger Cubs (Young/Walsh/Dekok) reigned supreme…hoorah!

 

Yes, that's what must've happened. Couldn’t have been anything else! I’ll make the necessary adjustments to the programme and trust that all true believers will be happy with this ever-so convincing version of events. It all happened, ok? It’s all fact, and there’s no need whatsoever to consult those rigorous analysts at Speedway Researcher. You just gotta belieeeeve!

 

Finally, Dave, in response to your far more well-founded comments than mine, I can do no more than agree that those lads would indeed be the ‘perfect 4,’ well capable on their day, I… er, believe, of taking the league points (including bonus) from a full-strength, seven-man team of Saints/Stags/Scorpions.

 

But there is clearly a matter of perspective here. For instance, a Monarch seeing his/her ‘royal’ squad suffer a similar fate might think of the same quartet of riders as far from perfect: rather, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse! Of course, he/she would be wrong - this is only Speedwaytown, after all. No need for such culturally constructed reactions in this neighbourhood!

 

Right, enough of this, already: that’ll be it from me on this thread. I hope (seriously) you end up getting all the info you requested in your original post.

 

Cheers,

Cyclingbison.

Edited October 20, 2013 by cyclingbison

[daveallan81 330]

Here, I'm not finished with you yet, don't go! I'm into 1983, do you remember your debut at Craighead Park? Inter-City cup tie with Edinburgh, Sunday 15th May 1983. Last race, heat 14 - I've got you down as excluded, but Speedway Star reports retired. Others in the race were Andy Reid, Brett Saunders and Glyn Taylor, who fell and was excluded in an unrelated incident. Any recollections? I'm sure it was for something that happened mid-race, ref put your exclusion light on, and you pulled out as the race continued. Do they still do that? Haven't seen it in years.

 

Unemployed into speedway. If you fail to reach a 5 point average after 12 matches your giro gets clipped for not trying? It's worth a thought. They'll eat the poor before they cull them though...