LagutaRacingFan 1,949 Posted July 12, 2014 Get rid of Dryml and bring in Dakota North. Dak isn't riding in Poland at the moment so he's looking for more meetings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PE7Panther 331 Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) What I maintain is that I have doubts that a change of race night would produce the extra number through the gate that seems to be required. Sorry, I disagree. I can't believe that anybody doesn't think that attendances on Fridays would be significantly better than Tuesdays. You added the rider (clause) about whether it would be enough to achieve the attendance that "seems to be required" - but the point is that there's far more chance of that happening on Fridays. Pboro would get crowds of over 1000 on a Friday at PL level easily, crowds on a friday last year were very good it was the other race days that let us down. I totally agree. i was at all these meetings and crowds looked good, were you there? didn't mr frost come out and say he needed crowds of over 2000? or 2400ish? this was due to putting a very expensive team together exactly! Those crowds were easily 1000+ Crump just told you that Frost the bloke who knows the crowd figures say they were poor . NO offence but I have feeling he's likely to know unlike you ...The bottom line is that the crowds were poor on Fridays . but Frost was talking from the standpoint of the prevailing finances, i.e. needing 2000 crowds Edited July 13, 2014 by PE7Panther 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PE7Panther 331 Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) No I wasn't there but was going by what opposition fans kept saying which seems to agree with Frost but disagree with you? "Frost revealed that crowds at the Showground only averaged around 800 during last season (2009) and admits that is barely half of the figure required for the club to break even (1500)." "Peterborough Panthers bosses have admitted that attendance figures have fallen during the 2012 season." "Panthers are nowhere near to meeting their break-even requirement of average crowds of 2,000 (2012)" That's what you get for no success, signing Bjerre year on year and giving Swindon the 2012 title! There seems to be something there about lack of success increasing the break even figure exponentially so 2400 might be right although I never saw that. So you think that the Tuesday production on a Friday will solve the problem? How many Fridays did MH have during his first tenure? re. opposition fans: they're not always the best judges. I've seen many posts by people who clearly have no idea. Not only that, opposition fans often have their own agendas (a.k.a. a massive chip...). It just takes one numpty to write "Panthers crowd was about 150 last night..." and before you know it, it's taken as gospel on here Frost needed 2000+, whereas Horton is talking about needing about half that. I think we'd have a far better chance of getting it on Fridays. I totally agree with your point about lack of success being a crucial factor in Frost's era - and especially with the point about persevering with Bjerre. That was one of RF's (many?) big mistakes. crump 99 from 2009 to 2012 mid weeks were our race nights not fridays ( apart from 2010 9 meetings) so all your quotes by mr frost relate to mid week crowd figures Last season crowds on a friday were very good it was the really poor mid week ones that let us down. As for do i think the 'Tuesday production' (PL racing) would be better on a friday yes i do GPWM RF often made comments about attendances not being enough, but I don't recall him ever making any distinctions between the crowds we were getting midweek and the crowds for the Friday meetings. He'd just say things like "we're not getting enough people in..." etc. Well, not until he started to talk about moving to Fridays as the regular race night. Then he'd say "hopefully that will enable more fans to come...." The only conclusion to be drawn is that he took stock of what had been happening - the stats - and decided Fridays were the better option. In my opinion it was the introduction of the GP series that influenced the downfall of British Speedway. Don't get me wrong I'm a supporter of the GP's and always look forward to each round. The knock on effect of the televised spectacle was expected to create an influx of new supporters, a similar model to F1. Poland, Sweden, Denmark all seem to have gained support whearas British Speedway (the place to be) went downhill rapidly. Even they are now falling into decline. Why? Inconsistent race nights, the loss of regular 1-7 teams and 'superstars' that no longer rely on plying their trade in the UK. The result being top riders could demand top dollar, coupled with decreasing attendances, severe lack of sponsorship, cash strapped promotions with insufficient funds to market the product - a business model doomed for failure. Is it coincidence that all the other nations all have a dedicated Speedway night, Sun, Tues, Weds? We have continually tried to accomadate the desperate clubs, for the right reasons, to assist survival. Unfortunately it appears to have backfired drastically as most are now gasping their last breath. The PL has it's problems but due to lesser costs, consistent race nights and in my opinion better racing it's survived better. Problem is for many, once they've had steak...... I originally posted my thoughts on the local forum. I would also like to add having a BSPA with so much self interest will always create a divide. We stand no chance unless all pull together for the good of the sport. Sadly I won't be holding my breath. I found myself nodding in agreement all the way through your post..... Edited July 13, 2014 by PE7Panther 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,507 Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) re. opposition fans: they're not always the best judges. I've seen many posts by people who clearly have no idea. Not only that, opposition fans often have their own agendas (a.k.a. a massive chip...). It just takes one numpty to write "Panthers crowd was about 150 last night..." and before you know it, it's taken as gospel on here I know, I've rarely missed up until this season although I'm losing interest but still attending. I couldn't be bothered to get into discussion with a bloke who didn't see what I saw, or most home and visiting fans (didn't really need an agenda early doors) saw come to that, as well as ignoring what Rick said on the subject. Edited July 13, 2014 by Crump99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,949 Posted July 14, 2014 Major team announcement tomorrow morning, I wonder who the FECH it could be.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noodles 1,337 Posted July 14, 2014 Major team announcement tomorrow morning, I wonder who the FECH it could be....Is it that Ales bought some deep heat in Cardiff Sunday night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,949 Posted July 14, 2014 Is it that Ales bought some deep heat in Cardiff Sunday night? Danish deep heat bacon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,507 Posted July 14, 2014 Major team announcement tomorrow morning, I wonder who the FECH it could be.... I hope that you've got fat fingers and meant to type FLETCH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proud panther 1,507 Posted July 14, 2014 If my information is correct, you will have seen our new signing at Cardiff at the weekend if you were there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scoobydoo 2,262 Posted July 14, 2014 Jason Crump it is then 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagutaRacingFan 1,949 Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) If my information is correct, you will have seen our new signing at Cardiff at the weekend if you were there.Surely not, that would be an incredible signing.Fair play to Mick for pulling this one off. How he convinced MJJ to double up is beyond me. Edited July 14, 2014 by Jepsen Jensen Racing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hans fan 1,001 Posted July 14, 2014 If my information is correct, you will have seen our new signing at Cardiff at the weekend if you were there. would hazard a guess they would have been at least a hundred riders there , the question is he any good ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,507 Posted July 14, 2014 If my information is correct, you will have seen our new signing at Cardiff at the weekend if you were there. Pointless post of the day award winner. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proud panther 1,507 Posted July 14, 2014 Well its got more response than your boring negative post's Crump 99. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scoobydoo 2,262 Posted July 14, 2014 If my information is correct, you will have seen our new signing at Cardiff at the weekend if you were there. Did his country of birth do well in the footie world cup ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
