noggin 1,391 Posted January 3, 2015 Which he has done but do you really think Jason who has averaged mid 8's at best for 2 seasons deserved the same money as Leigh who averaged 9-10 & more for 10 seasons as I don't?. Swindon's old promotor got them in financial difficulty & now the club can only pay what it can to stay stable. If I had my way I'd want the club to go into the Premier League as the Elite League is just a joke now anyway. Leigh was consistently averaging high 9 and 10 when the league was far stronger, Doyle is a decent rider but a true Legend he ain't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,966 Posted January 3, 2015 Leigh was consistently averaging high 9 and 10 when the league was far stronger, Doyle is a decent rider but a true Legend he ain't. Totally agree & it ain't been the same for me since he retired. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Chris Holder 6th in Australian Championships in Gillman. 1. Jason Doyle - 14 (2,3,3,3,3) + 1st in Final A 2. Justin Sedgmen - 11 (2,3,3,2,1) + 1st in Final B + 2nd in Final A 3. Rohan Tungate - 14 (3,3,3,3,2) + 3rd in Final A6. Chris Holder - 8 (2,0,1,2,3) + 3rd in Final B Why do we need this on here when it's also on the POOLE thread?Leigh was consistently averaging high 9 and 10 when the league was far stronger, Doyle is a decent rider but a true Legend he ain't.Leigh was loyal to his clubs whereas Doyley is a journeyman and goes where he can get the biggest wedge. Good luck to him but certainly not in the same league as the legend that is Leigh Leigh Leigh Adams! Edited January 3, 2015 by Steve0 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted January 3, 2015 No one has said Doyle is anything like Adams, the only thing is Doyle seems to have wanted a deal something like that Adams was on 5 years or so ago. If Adams was riding today he would have wanted more that that knowing he has to face two heat leaders in most of the races these days and for a rider to increase his average to 8.44 in that format may well deserve a contract that is five years old. Trouble is Swindon are now in the same boat as Leicester and Wolves in trying to find another heat leader. However Swindon really need a #1 while Leicester and Wolves are looking for a second heat leader. Kildemand obviously is sticking to his plan of not riding here and apparent talks with Emil seem to have come to nothing. (Emil would have wanted a lot more than what Adams was on 5 years ago) so who is left ? Adrian Meidzinski 8.24 has been quoted as saying he would consider a season here again but he didn't want Swindon last time and it was Matt Ford he approached this time and not Swindon so would he be made welcome or indeed considered ? He could also be a target for Leicester as Doyle and Meidzinski are Torun team mates this season and could travel to meetings each week together. Martin Smolinski 7.54 would be an option as the second heat leader maybe ? ...... Maciej Janowski 7.50 if not required at Poole and/or even Shamek Pawlicki 6.75 who both have had dealings with Rosco before but is that strong enough to lead the team unless they can make it a powerful top five but they already have Howarth 5.27 so that is a non starter too. At present Swindon look to be the team struggling more than others to get a strong team together and along with Wolves and Leicester look to be the three teams that maybe starting as the underdogs in 2015 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted January 3, 2015 No one has said Doyle is anything like Adams, the only thing is Doyle seems to have wanted a deal something like that Adams was on 5 years or so ago. If Adams was riding today he would have wanted more that that knowing he has to face two heat leaders in most of the races these days and for a rider to increase his average to 8.44 in that format may well deserve a contract that is five years old. Trouble is Swindon are now in the same boat as Leicester and Wolves in trying to find another heat leader. However Swindon really need a #1 while Leicester and Wolves are looking for a second heat leader. Kildemand obviously is sticking to his plan of not riding here and apparent talks with Emil seem to have come to nothing. (Emil would have wanted a lot more than what Adams was on 5 years ago) so who is left ? Adrian Meidzinski 8.24 has been quoted as saying he would consider a season here again but he didn't want Swindon last time and it was Matt Ford he approached this time and not Swindon so would he be made welcome or indeed considered ? He could also be a target for Leicester as Doyle and Meidzinski are Torun team mates this season and could travel to meetings each week together. Martin Smolinski 7.54 would be an option as the second heat leader maybe ? ...... Maciej Janowski 7.50 if not required at Poole and/or even Shamek Pawlicki 6.75 who both have had dealings with Rosco before but is that strong enough to lead the team unless they can make it a powerful top five but they already have Howarth 5.27 so that is a non starter too. At present Swindon look to be the team struggling more than others to get a strong team together and along with Wolves and Leicester look to be the three teams that maybe starting as the underdogs in 2015 so please share with us all - how do you know that Swindon are struggling more than others to get a strong team together? Or have you just made it up from any misinformation posted on here? And anyone who thinks that Martin Smolinski should be considered for a second heat leader role really needs to take their medication! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted January 3, 2015 so please share with us all - how do you know that Swindon are struggling more than others to get a strong team together? Or have you just made it up from any misinformation posted on here? And anyone who thinks that Martin Smolinski should be considered for a second heat leader role really needs to take their medication! At present Swindon look to be the team struggling more than others to get a strong team together I said they look not know they are, two different things so if you know they are signing a top class rider to be #1 then great but the options do LOOK to be getting a little sparce at the moment As for Smolinski, not my choice of rider too but he is a 7+ rider and they are not many left are there with Bjarne, Pawlicki and Woffy not returning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted January 3, 2015 Trouble is Swindon are now in the same boat as Leicester and Wolves in trying to find another heat leader. However Swindon really need a #1 while Leicester and Wolves are looking for a second heat leader. Lakeside also need another heatleader IMO. I'm sure I've read somewhere that Smolinksi is only riding in the German league in order to concentrate on GP qualification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thecoombdog 2,367 Posted January 3, 2015 Why shouldn't Doyle, who would have been Swindon number one, be paid the same as what Leigh Adams was paid five years ago? Im not going to even bother listing the many reasons why he shouldnt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted January 3, 2015 Im not going to even bother listing the many reasons why he shouldnt. Can you list them please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Doyle has a job. Swindon don't have a team. It suggests that Swindons wage offers are wrong rather than Doyles demands. He's found someone to meet them, Swindon can't find a number 1 for the money they're offering. Some of the comments aimed at Doyle on here are between hillereous and pathetic. You'd all love him had Swindon met his demands. Edited January 3, 2015 by SCB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) A question, how do you all know what we can/can't pay....here's a thought for you all. Swindon say they want to use Doyle (this may or may not be true), by doing this & Doyle wanting to go elsewhere means a full transfer to that club rather than a loan fee. No one other than the two guys in charge know what is really going on so all this speculation is drival IMHO. Edited January 3, 2015 by hyabb17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcts 252 Posted January 3, 2015 Why would anybody pay a transfer fee for a free agent is beyond me......what would happen if Leicester payed a so called "transfer" fee to Swindon and next year Doyley gets a better offer and signs for another team,then would Leicester get a transfer fee from the team who signs him.......absolute madness! If the guy was under contract like most other team sports are then fair enough but how can you expect a fee for someone who is not under contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted January 3, 2015 The "asset system" is outdated & should be scrapped but it won't be. Swindon own Doyle's registration so are entitled to a transfer fee if the rider doesn't want to ride for that club. No other country operates this system but that's just the way it is over here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EnglishRoundabout 1,752 Posted January 4, 2015 Doyle has a job. Swindon don't have a team. It suggests that Swindons wage offers are wrong rather than Doyles demands. He's found someone to meet them, Swindon can't find a number 1 for the money they're offering. Some of the comments aimed at Doyle on here are between hillereous and pathetic. You'd all love him had Swindon met his demands. SCB coming over to have another pop at Swindon. ' Swindon don't have a team'....Not yet we don't have a team but it is January and the season doesn't start until March. 'Swindon's wage offers are wrong rather than Doyle' demands'..... You know that for a fact do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted January 4, 2015 Is what Leigh Adams earned 5 years comparable to now days, definitely not. More money is needed to compete and basically live in 2015 so I don't think it's harsh of Doyle to ask for a wage of what someone was earning 5 years ago especially when he can get that somewhere else. The story is probably rubbish anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites