The Heathens V The Brummies 25/03

[greyhoundp 990]

Its almost time for the 2nd leg of the TT Challenge for the Dan McCormick Memorial Trophy, how do you guys see this panning out? after last weeks Ommering of Brum.

 

I see Phil Morris is the Team Manager of Brum for this meeting, is this a temporary thing or an occasional move ?. Since last weeks meeting, Brums No1 Adam Ellis has had a very poor few days in the meetings he has competed in at Ipswich and Lakeside, he took a fall at Ipswich in the Billy Sanders meeting and was feeling the worse for wear at Lakeside. He needs to quickly rediscover some form otherwise it will prove impossible for The Brummies to be competitive on Wednesday, remember they are a Top heavy Team, and this relies on Adam and Captain Tom Pom Perry getting double figures in all their meetings, Otherwise Brum simply dont have the strength in depth to cover a loss of form, so can Phil Morris quickly help Adam show some form ?. I have no doubts he will be a help to the more inexperienced members of the Team such as Alex Wilson, Zach Wotsisname, and Harvie Banks.

I expect Brum to put up a better showing, but doubt they can turn it around enough to win on the night. The Heathens were simply awesome last week and their wasnt a weak link to be seen in the Team winning 13 of the 15 Heats. Im going to plump for a Home win The Heathens are at home this week lol and admission is £1 less than last week, 49-41 to Cradley.

[Brummie Kev 519]

I dont expect a Brummies win or even the score to be close but I'm hoping to see signs of progression from some of our younger riders. Last week was tough against a quality Cradley side but we did see flashes from all 3. Zach was challenging the Cradley riders at times, Harvie showed hes a pretty good gater which always helps and that second place ride from Alex was impressive. So an improvement on that no matter how small would be welcolme.

 

Adam struggled last week not only for the Brummies but in other meetings but we all know hes a top rider at this level and hopefully we see a return to form this week.

 

This meeting is all about getting ready for our first league match, we have Wednesday and then a challenge at Stoke on Sunday to prepare.

 

55-37 Cradley

Edited March 23, 2015 by Brummie Kev

[Brummiestormer 172]

Zach is the one to watch in our team i think ---i like his riding style.

[builderbob 44]

cradley brum

mc--10 ae---15

lh--1 k ---4

mw--7 sc---10

am--1 hb----1

ng--7 tp----12

mn--3 zw---7

ep---10 aw---2

 

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[phillipsr 2,057]

Cradley to hit 60 again. Hope Birmingham fare better though

[Heathen1984 139]

Bit hopeful that is bob after watching last week's performance, feel it will be closer thou.

[Brummiestormer 172]

Cradley to hit 60 again. Hope Birmingham fare better though

How will we fare any better--by three points if Cradley hit 60---joker lol

[phillipsr 2,057]

I meant i think Cradley will hit 60 bit i hope Birmingham fare better than that

[pete cc 322]

i do hope that Brum are far better this week, they won't win but its national league.Improve every week, thats what its all about.

[Brummies_Ste 136]

CRADLEY MOTOR MARKET HEATHENS: Max Clegg, Luke Harris, Matt Williamson, Arron Mogridge, Nathan Greaves, Michael Neale, Ellis Perks.

 

BIRMINGHAM SURESTOP BRUMMIES: Adam Ellis, Adam Kirby, Sam Chapman, Harvie Banks, Tom Perry, Zach Wajtknecht, Alex Wilson.

[Brummie Kev 519]

The more I look at that riding order for the Brummies, the more I think its wrong. Is there a rule in the National League whereby your second stings have to ride at 2 and 4 and your heat leaders at 1,3 and 5? If so the next bit wont be relevent but if there isnt this is the order I would have gone with:

 

1. Ellis

2. Banks

3. Kirby

4. Chapman

5. Perry

6. Wilson

7. Wajtknecht

 

Whatever the rules, I think its better to have Banks at 2 esp as hes new and riding with a big hitter like Ellis in 3 races, no pressure on him. Perry Barr is not a track where theres big home advantage so meetings generally go to the wire unless your team is super strong like Cradley is this year. So we have a strong top 2 in heats 13 and 15 but two 3pters in Heat 14. Would be better to have Chapman in !4 I reckon. Obviously as I say it all depends if the rules allow it.

[greyhoundp 990]

The more I look at that riding order for the Brummies, the more I think its wrong. Is there a rule in the National League whereby your second stings have to ride at 2 and 4 and your heat leaders at 1,3 and 5? If so the next bit wont be relevent but if there isnt this is the order I would have gone with:

 

1. Ellis

2. Banks

3. Kirby

4. Chapman

5. Perry

6. Wilson

7. Wajtknecht

 

Whatever the rules, I think its better to have Banks at 2 esp as hes new and riding with a big hitter like Ellis in 3 races, no pressure on him. Perry Barr is not a track where theres big home advantage so meetings generally go to the wire unless your team is super strong like Cradley is this year. So we have a strong top 2 in heats 13 and 15 but two 3pters in Heat 14. Would be better to have Chapman in !4 I reckon. Obviously as I say it all depends if the rules allow it.

 

The rules as i understand are that the Highest Average rider must ride at No1, then your 2 lowest average riders must ride at reserve, the remaining riders can ride at 2,3,4,5 as the Team manager prefers, actually i was thinking the same thing last night, but i think many Team managers want a strong No2 to ride in Heat8.

[bradfitz111112 7]

I am Going to this Meeting Later, Hope all the Riders have a Safe meeting

[Ben91 1,743]

The more I look at that riding order for the Brummies, the more I think its wrong. Is there a rule in the National League whereby your second stings have to ride at 2 and 4 and your heat leaders at 1,3 and 5? If so the next bit wont be relevent but if there isnt this is the order I would have gone with:

 

1. Ellis

2. Banks

3. Kirby

4. Chapman

5. Perry

6. Wilson

7. Wajtknecht

 

Whatever the rules, I think its better to have Banks at 2 esp as hes new and riding with a big hitter like Ellis in 3 races, no pressure on him. Perry Barr is not a track where theres big home advantage so meetings generally go to the wire unless your team is super strong like Cradley is this year. So we have a strong top 2 in heats 13 and 15 but two 3pters in Heat 14. Would be better to have Chapman in !4 I reckon. Obviously as I say it all depends if the rules allow it.

Your best bet is to keep Ellis and Perry apart aside from heat 15. Two heat wins gets you 6 points, if they race in a heat together they can only score you 5.

[Islander15 1,065]

Your best bet is to keep Ellis and Perry apart aside from heat 15. Two heat wins gets you 6 points, if they race in a heat together they can only score you 5.

This was also something I was thinking. Usually I wouldn't do it because you end up with a 'weaker' heat leader alongside a reserve, but once Zach gets going, in a couple of meetings, put him at 6 to partner Chapman twice which isn't weak and by the time he moves up put Wilson at 6 who will have found his feet by then. As you say it allows Ellis and Perry to go out and potentially win 4 races each and on paper you have a stronger pairing than Chapman & Banks as well!