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I read about the offer for the televised meeting, how long can Lakeside operate at the track? Are they looking for a site close to the existing track or in Essex generally?

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I read about the offer for the televised meeting, how long can Lakeside operate at the track? Are they looking for a site close to the existing track or in Essex generally?

The point has already been done to death on other threads. The site has been earmarked for redevelopment for years as part of the Thames Gateway project. Planning permission for the site is in its early stages. The club are in discussions with the local council. Thurrock , who are said to be sympathetic and want to keep Speedwáy in the area . The latest news is that there may be a new Speedwáy only stadium (I.e. No stock cars) within walking distance of the present site but it's still in the early stages of a long process with all the usual obstacles to be overcome., The bigger problem at the moment though seems to be the threat of crowds disappearing because of the way the sport is shooting itself in the foot.

EDIT It seems there will be. Speedwáy at the present site in 2016

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The point has already been done to death on other threads. The site has been earmarked for redevelopment for years as part of the Thames Gateway project. Planning permission for the site is in its early stages. The club are in discussions with the local council. Thurrock , who are said to be sympathetic and want to keep Speedwáy in the area . The latest news is that there may be a new Speedwáy only stadium (I.e. No stock cars) within walking distance of the present site but it's still in the early stages of a long process with all the usual obstacles to be overcome., The bigger problem at the moment though seems to be the threat of crowds disappearing because of the way the sport is shooting itself in the foot.

EDIT It seems there will be. Speedwáy at the present site in 2016

And Lakside are not helping with the "sport shooting itself in the foot".

 

Lakeisde are a major part of this problem.

 

Smell the coffee.

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And Lakside are not helping with the "sport shooting itself in the foot".

 

Lakeisde are a major part of this problem.

 

Smell the coffee.

I know from your other posts that you can't stand Lakeside but out of 20 or so clubs in operation Lakeside are a MAJOR part of the problem ? Everone else only plays MINOR parts then?

 

I said the sport (collectively) is shooting itself in the foot and clearly Lakeside are by definition part of the collective sport and not exempt from blame .You are welcome to you r opinion the Lakeside are playing a MAJOR part but if Lakeside don't survive (and we know you will be delighted if they don't) don't belive for a moment the rest of them will get their act together .

 

Not sure what you mean by "smell the coffee" . That's usually an empty platitude idiots use in the absence of coherent argument.

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I know from your other posts that you can't stand Lakeside but out of 20 or so clubs in operation Lakeside are a MAJOR part of the problem ? Everone else only plays MINOR parts then?

Lakeside are one of, if not the worst offenders for letting Poole get away with all manner of crap. That is killing the sport. Also Lakeside speedway (under it's old promotion) invented the TR - like it or not that has kept a lot of people away.

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The nearest track to me is Lakeside but getting there is a nightmare, my only means of accessing it is by car and I don't think that helps with getting supporters through the gates especially the youngsters who may not even have a car yet. When I first discovered Speedway I was still at school and travelled every week to West Ham by bus, get people interested in the sport young and hopefully they will stay with it for the rest of their lives. There is a bus station at Lakeside would it be possible for Lakeside promoters to perhaps think about running a shuttle bus to and from the bus station on match nights?

 

I know the clock can't be turned back but in the 60's there was more local rivalry giving supporters more incentive to travel to away matches i.e. West Ham, Wimbledon, Hackney to name but a few all within travelling distance of each other and also all fairly easy to reach by public transport, with today's petrol prices etc. and a number of tracks being difficult to reach other than by car I doubt many supporters are able to travel to away matches on a regular basis. There 8 teams in the Elite league playing each other twice and also how can it be called 'Elite' when most of the riders also double up for a Premier Club - where's the competition in that, sort out the leagues, Elite should mean ELITE, bring back the competition even if it means joining the Elite and Premier League together.

 

Also Speedway tracks shutting because of lack of support is a major problem and needs to be urgently addressed and although people need houses local Councils and Planning Departments need to understand they also need places to go for entertainment and football isn't the only sport on the planet people want to watch, the bikes may make some noise but so what many houses in this country are built next to major road/motorways that generate more noise permanently than a speedway meeting. I for one would rather watch a speedway meeting any day at least when riders fall off they usually get up dust themselves off and carry on unlike a lot of footballers who roll around on the ground because they have banged their big toe.

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Lakeside are one of, if not the worst offenders for letting Poole get away with all manner of crap. That is killing the sport. Also Lakeside speedway (under it's old promotion) invented the TR - like it or not that has kept a lot of people away.

Disingenius as usual. It is the collective BSPA that lets Poole get away with all manner of crap - the Lakeside promotion know the score so little point in pursuing an issue when you know it will come to nothing. As for the TR - yes, it may have been an initiative originating from said source but it still needed agreement from the rest to become reality.

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Disingenius as usual. It is the collective BSPA that lets Poole get away with all manner of crap - the Lakeside promotion know the score so little point in pursuing an issue when you know it will come to nothing. As for the TR - yes, it may have been an initiative originating from said source but it still needed agreement from the rest to become reality.

I know they're all bad for letting Poole get away with it, I've said so many times. But Lakeside are worst, they just seem to roll over and take it. As for the TR, Ronnie Russell and Len Silver invented it, I'll always blame them

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No harm at all in blaming said two but, as acknowledged, they were just the instigators. Personally, I don't like the TR (because of the 'joker points' nature of it) neither does Jon Cook but a majority in BSPA towers seem to want it.

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Lakeside are one of, if not the worst offenders for letting Poole get away with all manner of crap. That is killing the sport. Also Lakeside speedway (under it's old promotion) invented the TR - like it or not that has kept a lot of people away.

The allegation made was specifically Lakeside. The previous promotion was Arena Essex. Whilst I am the first to agree the TR rule is IMO one of the worst if not the worst rules the sport has, no if I had my way it would be abolished tomorrow, the fact remains that plent y of forum members have posted on here saying they like the rule and it plays a part in bringing interest to one sided meetings. So while certain macontents might stay away allegedly because of it where is the pspecific evidence that overall , on a roundabouts and swings basis it causes more to stay away than are attracted by the rule ?

 

For. the record the present Lakeside promotion were one of those pressing for it to be reduced from two per match to one, which is the best compromise that could probably be achieved given Sky's obsession with the silly idea

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So taking your other point, that Lakeside are one of the worst if not the worst offenders for letting Poole get away with "all manner of crap " , pr precisely what "all manner of crap" are you referring to ?

 

There was of course the controversial cancellation of the Poole v Lakeside me ting a. few years ago . If you bothered to read the Speedwáy Star report ( and I know you would prefer not to check the facts) you would see that the matter was due to go before the SCB the following July but they did no thing, so what you are saying is that it's not Pooles fault, nothing to do with the toothless SCB , but all Lakeside's fault.

 

Let's remember that when there were allegations of Poole fiddling the averages in 2009 to get Hans Andersen in it was Lakeside that asked the SCB to investigate whil e the rest were huffing and puffing and making comments in programme notes but not actu ally doing anything, and the SCB's half hearted investigation that finished up with no action being taken.

 

Anyway let's be generous and say Lakeside have some culpability in the Poole cancellation. What other " manner of crap " have Lakeside in particular been responsible for letting Poole get away with as opposed to the SCB, the BSPA , Swindon Coventry and all the rest

 

And just to keep our minds focussed let me say once again that my comment was the sport is shooting itself in the foot and I have not said Lakeside have not been part and parcel of that collective process. The point I challenged was the specific claim that Lakeside a re a MAJOR part of the problem as opposed to being part of a collective failing under a weak managing body. I don't think I can put it more succinctly than that.

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Was there on Friday watching the Aces and have to confess that I like my visits to Lakeside. It would be great for the sport if, as part of the deal (if there is a deal), Lakeside carried on with a new up-to-date stadium which was marketed well. Before the meeting I spent some time at the Lakeside shops and didn't see any evidence of a speedway meeting that evening being marketed.

 

Lakeside, like Belle Vue, has a large catchment area and both should be getting better crowds than they do.

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I know they're all bad for letting Poole get away with it, I've said so many times. But Lakeside are worst, they just seem to roll over and take it. As for the TR, Ronnie Russell and Len Silver invented it, I'll always blame them

Well come on then lets have a specific list of all. The times Lakeside in particular have let Poole get away with things that were nothing to do with anybody else. Lakeside were the ones that let Poole get away with t he heat 10 rain off against Belle Vue and let Poole get away with Poole snatching Medzienski away from Swindon so they could get Kasprzak in ?

 

We still keep coming back to the basic point that whatever Lakeside have done or not done it's still difficult to sustain the argument that Lakeside have played a MAJOR part in the present state of the sport while all the rest are small part players , which is what was originally said.

Was there on Friday watching the Aces and have to confess that I like my visits to Lakeside. It would be great for the sport if, as part of the deal (if there is a deal), Lakeside carried on with a new up-to-date stadium which was marketed well. Before the meeting I spent some time at the Lakeside shops and didn't see any evidence of a speedway meeting that evening being marketed.

 

Lakeside, like Belle Vue, has a large catchment area and both should be getting better crowds than they do.

Advertising at the shopping centre has apparently been investigated. I forget the actual figures but at a fans forum several years ago we were told that to have a display in the car park was something like £1000 for one day, and someone said last year that even to put a small advert in the toilets was about £600 a year.

 

The trouble with advertising in the shopping centre is that everyone has the same idea so they can charge top dollar and it's all strictly controlled by the landlords. I do think it would be an idea to try to have some sort of mutual link with the Harley Davidson shop though.

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For a start what about the time they did nothing about Poole illegal team when they declared, from memory Sam Masters at number 2 but he wasn't fit but the rules said the facility should have been for Ludvig Lindgren?

 

Or the time Poole called a meeting off with Lakeside and Lakeside just backed down?

 

You're right about the other incidents. But Swindon did fight the Miedzinski one.

 

And BV are not much better than Lakeside with their pandering to Poole.

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I am neutral as far as Lakeside are concerned. I am not a supporter; nor am I a "hater".

 

When I go, it is to watch speedway racing and I would take no pleasure in Lakeside, or any club, folding.

 

Lakeside should have done more in the past when they had the opportunities.