Converted Averages.

[Tyrion 26]

I think the idea of huge changes at the first chance is a slight fallacy/natural knee jerk/panic on the back of the AGM.

 

Even if sides are to drop 4/5 points from team building averages where are the riders coming from who are going to be replacements? The majority of riders will be committed to the continent by the time changes can be made, or will still have the excessive demands that will have seen without a team in the winter.

 

The purpose of this AGM has evidently been to lower cost, I doubt there will be wide spread abandon of that system as most teams simply cannot afford to make the changes being suggested.

 

[Skidder1 7,658]

Similarly what would Sheffield have done?

Very surprised SCB hasn't yet produced his definitive and accurate averages list?!

 

Then we could see

i) if the BSPA is going to get their list correct, and

ii) fans could start some serious imaginary team building!!

Edited November 4, 2016 by Skidder1

[Col 862]

Riders from 2015 & 2014 converted:

 

Milik 5.67 7.94

Janowski 8.97 12.56

North 5.91 8.27

Gomolski 5.51 7.71

Zengota 7.79 10.91

Kildemand 7.1 9.94

Musielak 4.53 6.34

Miedzinski 8.21 11.49

Hansen 5.5 7.70

Michelsen 6.02 8.43

Lahti 5.45 7.63

Pr Pawlicki 6.75 9.45

Gustafsson 5.92 8.29

Pi Pawlicki 7.32 10.25

Edited November 4, 2016 by Col

[Leicester Hunter 381]

 

Riders from 2015 & 2014 converted:

Hansen 5.5 7.70

 

Kenneth Hansen, I presume? If so, not applicable. He rode for Workington this year.

[Col 862]

Doyle, along with NKI, Holder & Jonsson must have that converted average adjusted. There is no sense in signing a rider on an average it is impossible to retain. Doyle & NKI should have an average of =+13.5/5*4 = 10.8. Holder and Jonsson should be =+13.25/5*4 = 10.6

[waiheke1 4,295]

Doyle, along with NKI, Holder & Jonsson must have that converted average adjusted. There is no sense in signing a rider on an average it is impossible to retain. Doyle & NKI should have an average of =+13.5/5*4 = 10.8. Holder and Jonsson should be =+13.25/5*4 = 10.6

WHY? Almost every rider is coming in on an average they won't retain, given that on average each rider will drop by over a point. The new averages are ok relative to each other. would be ridiculous if Doyle was only a point more than harris for example.

[Col 862]

WHY? Almost every rider is coming in on an average they won't retain, given that on average each rider will drop by over a point. The new averages are ok relative to each other. would be ridiculous if Doyle was only a point more than harris for example.

 

Because it is impossible to average above 12:00. I very much doubt even Hans Neilsen or Ivan Mauger in there finest moments averaged above 11:50. You cannot expect the impossible.

[waiheke1 4,295]

 

Because it is impossible to average above 12:00. I very much doubt even Hans Neilsen or Ivan Mauger in there finest moments averaged above 11:50. You cannot expect the impossible.

You are missing the point. no they will not attain that average. But in relation to other riders there average is proportionately correct. And that is all the team building process is about - aiming to ensure teams of relatively even strength. VERY few riders this season will maintain their starting average.

But if I was building a team idx still be happy to have Doyle or holder in it.

And Hans did average over 11.5 in a season. in fact he once averaged 12 away from home over a bl season.

[CB252 1,376]

 

Because it is impossible to average above 12:00. I very much doubt even Hans Neilsen or Ivan Mauger in there finest moments averaged above 11:50. You cannot expect the impossible.

Nielsen averaged 11.83 in 1986.

 

Riders can't do it now of course as they have neither the talent or dedication.

[woodenspoon 157]

It would help a great deal if the BSPA produced a set of averages, based upon the last green sheets from 2016. to be used in the respective leagues for 2017

 

The other thing is what are the assessed averages of new to the UK foreign riders going to be.

 

I can see a lot of team changes after about a month.

[Starman2006 2,356]

 

“What Poole did at the end of the season didn’t look morally right and what Peterborough did in a bid to make the play-offs didn’t look right to me. Had they (Peterborough) have made the play-offs and then succeeded and did well, that wasn’t the team that had got them there and done well. We’re trying to make that fairer and other sports do it with transfer windows so I’m happy with that change.”

And what Wolverhampton did to make the plays off wasn't morally right either. But hey ho Chris, you are entitled to your opinion.

[A ORLOV 8,628]

Doyle, along with NKI, Holder & Jonsson must have that converted average adjusted. There is no sense in signing a rider on an average it is impossible to retain. Doyle & NKI should have an average of =+13.5/5*4 = 10.8. Holder and Jonsson should be =+13.25/5*4 = 10.6

I wish they would have done that which would have allowed Swindon to have had two top heat leaders, but you cannot adjust some averages and not all.

After a month or two the riders will get proper averages and not the false ones for some riders that were earned last year due to the previous great plan, which was something many fans could see would happen.

[Come on the Skipper 75]

Ok, so I've had a go at working out what the teambuilding average would be for each rider who rode in this seasons Elite League, and they are shown below. They are based on the most recent green sheet averages (EL 31 and PL 33). It's quite possible that I've made some mistakes so if you do notice any please let me know.

 

Name EL Avg PL Avg Teambuilding

Jason Doyle 9.58 0.00 13.41

Niels Kristian Iversen 9.04 0.00 12.66

Chris Holder 8.95 0.00 12.53

Andreas Jonsson 8.45 0.00 11.83

Krzysztof Kasprzak 7.91 0.00 11.07

Matej Zagar 7.48 0.00 10.47

Freddie Lindgren 7.21 0.00 10.09

Hans Andersen 7.15 0.00 10.01

Craig Cook 7.37 9.88 9.88

Jacob Thorssell 7.06 0.00 9.88

Tai Woffinden 7.03 0.00 9.84

Antonio Lindback 7.00 0.00 9.80

Max Fricke 7.08 0.00 9.91

Bjarne Pedersen 6.91 0.00 9.67

Nick Morris 6.41 0.00 8.97

Kim Nilsson 6.88 0.00 9.63

Edward Kennett 7.16 9.27 9.27

Danny King 7.22 9.57 9.57

Joonas Kylmakorpi 6.68 0.00 9.35

Chris Harris 6.58 0.00 9.21

Sebastian Ulamek 6.60 0.00 9.24

Josh Grajczonek 5.95 8.90 8.90

Brady Kurtz 6.44 9.22 9.22

Scott Nicholls 6.59 0.00 9.23

Steve Worrall 5.95 8.51 8.51

Sam Masters 7.18 8.88 8.88

Rohan Tungate 6.05 9.03 9.03

Mikkel Bech Jensen 6.26 0.00 8.76

Patrick Hougaard 6.22 0.00 8.71

Richard Lawson 5.83 8.17 8.17

Richie Worrall 5.82 8.33 8.33

Krzysztof Buczkowski 6.02 0.00 8.43

Mads Korneliussen 6.04 0.00 8.46

Jason Garrity 6.00 8.55 8.55

Lewis Bridger 6.09 0.00 8.53

Robert Lambert 7.08 8.76 8.76

Peter Karlsson 5.91 0.00 8.27

Szymon Wozniak 5.91 0.00 8.27

Rory Schlein 5.12 0.00 7.17

Aaron Summers 4.69 8.13 8.13

Justin Sedgmen 5.43 0.00 7.60

Adam Ellis 5.60 0.00 7.84

Ben Barker 4.54 7.70 7.70

Grzegorz Walasek 5.45 0.00 7.63

Dave Watt 5.40 0.00 7.56

Ludvig Lindgren 4.34 7.65 7.65

Piotr Swiderski 5.20 0.00 7.28

Paul Starke 4.94 6.62 6.62

Charles Wright 4.84 6.59 6.59

Josh Auty 4.90 7.10 7.10

Kyle Howarth 5.13 7.18 7.18

Troy Batchelor 5.26 0.00 7.36

Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen 4.15 6.98 6.98

Kyle Newman 5.52 6.31 6.31

Lewis Kerr 4.80 6.59 6.59

Nikolas Porsing 4.99 6.58 6.58

Kacper Woryna 4.65 0.00 6.51

Dennis Jonsson 4.00 0.00 5.60

Carl Wilkinson 3.74 6.12 6.12

Josh Bates 4.76 5.02 5.02

James Sarjeant 3.81 5.80 5.80

Nicolai Klindt 6.36 5.42 5.42

Stefan Nielsen 3.67 5.53 5.53

Lewis Rose 5.00 5.86 5.86

Kai Huckenbeck 3.67 0.00 5.14

Rob Mear 3.65 0.00 5.11

Simon Lambert 5.47 5.25 5.25

Adam Roynon 4.80 5.05 5.05

Joe Jacobs 5.14 5.36 5.36

Ben Morley 3.00 3.85 3.85

Ashley Morris 3.00 4.83 4.83

Max Clegg 4.15 4.04 4.04

Robert Branford 3.00 4.60 4.60

Edited November 5, 2016 by Come on the Skipper

[IronScorpion 1,408]

The conversion figure is for Team Building purposes only to a team max of 50. After a period of racing, riders will attain a true average which will then have a conversion figure for the Premiership League only.

 

I have posted that would the 4H & 4A system be used(not seen it confirmed anywhere) & a conversion figure of 1.2 could be used(7 riders have 4 rides each giving 42 points x 1.2 = 50.4 ie nearest to Premiership max of 50)

My view on the averages is that if you have a PL average, then you use that as you have gained that average in the PL. Similarly, if you have an EL average, then you should use your EL x conversion average as you gained that average in the EL race format.

[g13webb 4,254]

The conversion figure is for Team Building purposes only to a team max of 50. After a period of racing, riders will attain a true average which will then have a conversion figure for the Premiership League only.

 

I have posted that would the 4H & 4A system be used(not seen it confirmed anywhere) & a conversion figure of 1.2 could be used(7 riders have 4 rides each giving 42 points x 1.2 = 50.4 ie nearest to Premiership max of 50)

My view on the averages is that if you have a PL average, then you use that as you have gained that average in the PL. Similarly, if you have an EL average, then you should use your EL x conversion average as you gained that average in the EL race format.

 

I understand all that's been said about averages, conversions PL rides and EL rides, but there are still a couple of issues I have problems with. 1, Why was the conversion rate of 1.4 set so high. It is obvious the BSPA feel that was the difference between some of the riders. The biggest disparity between the riders happens with the EL reserves, and those averages aren't going to be used. Whereas, although the heat leader's average were much level they're subjected to a 1.4 conversion making there score well over the top. I appreciate this is for team building purposes only, but acquiring riders with PL average is far more beneficial than using riders with a 1.4 factor added on. A conversion of 1.2 would have been far more suitable and workable.

 

Next question. 2, Am I right in thinking that when a riders races in both leagues, the scores he achieves in the top league means nothing as its his PL average that count ???? Surely a riders average has to take onto account all his meeting . So assuming Joe Bloggs on a 6, scores 6` in the PL and 10 in the EL , his average will remain the same.

 

If, as we have been told, the average are to apply to both leagues then there has to be a formula to accumulate all rides on a comparative level. Probably it would have been better to calculate a riders average per ride instead of per match (similar to the method used aboard.) That way a rider would be worth a definite figure.

 

Not wanting to moan about the good work the BSPA have done, hoping for a good season ahead. But the CMA has always been a bone of contention and unfortunately I don't see it being any different...