Call me wolfie 677 Posted May 15, 2019 I see Jacob got 9 for Dackarna yesterday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted May 15, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 3:59 PM, BWitcher said: I've no doubt there were. There aren't many fans left with any actual intelligence If Nicholls ended up moving to No 1 or 5 and his scoring dropped they'd soon change their minds. They simply compare his scores at 3/4 to those of Thorssell at No 1 and think they are comparable in some way. Don't get me wrong. I like Scott Nicholls and he is doing a good job BUT he is not as good as Jacob Thorssell at this stage of his career, especially at Monmore. I totally get what you are saying Nicholls at home scoring 11+2, 9+2, 12+1 and 9+2....are scores from the number 3 position that Thorsell would be expected to score. Away though Scott has 13+1 and 9+1 and sometimes its away form that counts Having said that i agree that if Scott moved to number one he may struggle to replicate those scores where (especially at home) Jacob would score more. Scott currently avoids the generally harder heat 13...his 4th ride at the moment is against the opposition numbers 3 and 6 ...easier than facing the opponents 1 and 5 I would also say Scott is outscoring what Morris would have done (my opinion of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, Gavan said: I totally get what you are saying Nicholls at home scoring 11+2, 9+2, 12+1 and 9+2....are scores from the number 3 position that Thorsell would be expected to score. Away though Scott has 13+1 and 9+1 and sometimes its away form that counts Having said that i agree that if Scott moved to number one he may struggle to replicate those scores where (especially at home) Jacob would score more. Scott currently avoids the generally harder heat 13...his 4th ride at the moment is against the opposition numbers 3 and 6 ...easier than facing the opponents 1 and 5 I would also say Scott is outscoring what Morris would have done (my opinion of course) The thing is, Thorssell at 3 or 4 was scoring more than that.. that would be the minimum he'd be expected to score. His away form at that position was good too. I disagree on Morris. He is super fast around Monmore and again riding at 3 or 4 his scores would be very high. He is, like Thorssell, another with an average lower due to a season riding at 1/5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call me wolfie 677 Posted May 21, 2019 Will be good to be back at full strength, so pleased Scott has managed to get fixed up elsewhere 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted May 21, 2019 Great news the original line up is finally going to be on track. Huge thanks to Scott who has ridden very well for us and delighted he is fixed up at Peterborough. He deserves it. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 21, 2019 Well done Management in making the correct decision. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call me wolfie 677 Posted May 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Well done Management in making the correct decision. I suspect it was made easier by knowing Scott had another option lined up. Looking forward to the rest of the season now, it's the team PA wanted, let's see how it works out 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted May 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: I suspect it was made easier by knowing Scott had another option lined up. Looking forward to the rest of the season now, it's the team PA wanted, let's see how it works out Wolves are a very good side top 4 material But i would rather race you at Foxhall with Thorsell and Masters then Nicholls and R/R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call me wolfie 677 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Gavan said: Wolves are a very good side top 4 material But i would rather race you at Foxhall with Thorsell and Masters then Nicholls and R/R I would probably agree with you there, Nicholls is much more accomplished at tracks like Ipswich and Peterborough, last nights meeting is probably the reason Jacob wasnt brought back in last week. makes us very strong at home though. Edited May 21, 2019 by Call me wolfie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEEDY69 1,260 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) On 5/15/2019 at 6:50 PM, Gavan said: I totally get what you are saying Nicholls at home scoring 11+2, 9+2, 12+1 and 9+2....are scores from the number 3 position that Thorsell would be expected to score. Away though Scott has 13+1 and 9+1 and sometimes its away form that counts Having said that i agree that if Scott moved to number one he may struggle to replicate those scores where (especially at home) Jacob would score more. Scott currently avoids the generally harder heat 13...his 4th ride at the moment is against the opposition numbers 3 and 6 ...easier than facing the opponents 1 and 5 I would also say Scott is outscoring what Morris would have done (my opinion of course) Don't forget in the PSC the format is different so the number 3 position is no easier than the number 1. Irrelevant now as the choices have been made and Wolves have stuck by their original selection, which I applaud. Let's see how the season progresses! Edited May 21, 2019 by SPEEDY69 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Gavan said: Wolves are a very good side top 4 material But i would rather race you at Foxhall with Thorsell and Masters then Nicholls and R/R What absolute nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Don't forget in the PSC the format is different so the number 3 position is no easier than the number 1. Irrelevant now as the choices have been made and Wolves have stuck by their original selection, which I applaud. Let's see how the season progresses! Nicholls rolling average of 6.43 from last 20 meetings. Those all ridden at No 5 or No 3. Thorssell rolling average of 7.25 from last 20 meetings, almost all ridden at No 1, think a couple at 5. It's not even close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: I would probably agree with you there, Nicholls is much more accomplished at tracks like Ipswich and Peterborough, last nights meeting is probably the reason Jacob wasnt brought back in last week. makes us very strong at home though. No he isn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where does this myth come from, are you still living in 2012 or something? 6.43 is Nicholls average across his last 20 meetings. His average is that low for a REASON. Last night he scored 10 from 6, its at best an average return when riding at no 3, with RR operating at 4 giving you both Heat 12 and Heat 14. It should also be pointed out, he has that low average without riding at No 1.. by far the hardest position. Edited May 21, 2019 by BWitcher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: What absolute nonsense. Why is that nonsense? Thorsell i dont believe has seen Foxhall and Nicholls knows the place like the back of his hand Morris does ok but in the lower league Personally Thorsell aand Morris will outscore Nicholls and R/R and do beter at most tracks....just that at Foxhall my opinion is that it doesnt make you stronger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 21, 2019 Just now, Gavan said: Why is that nonsense? Thorsell i dont believe has seen Foxhall and Nicholls knows the place like the back of his hand Morris does ok but in the lower league Personally Thorsell aand Morris will outscore Nicholls and R/R and do beter at most tracks....just that at Foxhall my opinion is that it doesnt make you stronger Because Nicholls is a far weaker rider, at any track these days, and RR is even weaker still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites