george.m 3,063 Posted June 25, 2011 If we all agreed on everything, wouldn't be much to discuss. Its all part of the fun and banter. No it isn't! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,696 Posted June 25, 2011 You've got form, mate. I know your MO, and incidentally had it confirmed today by someone associated with the forum. I see your sense-of-umbrage app. is working well. You can throw all the insults you like, cupcake, it's like water off a Reptile's Scales to me! What insults ? intill you come along they were taking about speedway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tocha 311 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Thought that was a pretty disappointing GP with little passing and effectively only 3 riders in each race with gate 1 being a graveyard. I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series, I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the semi-final stage and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. Edited June 25, 2011 by tocha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,466 Posted June 25, 2011 Justgot back from a quite brilliant GP. Thought the racing was top drawer and the overall presentation excellent. Great racing throughout the meeting and a final to get the chins wagging. Thought the POles were not really on the pace today and Gollob must be ruing his indecisiveness. Chopping and changing his bikes again is NOT the behaviour of someone who is confident enough to maintian his time at the top. As for the final, I was sitting middle tier just in front of the starting gate and Stevey Wonder would have seen Emils huge roller. Justice was served by him losing it under severe pressure from Holder, but Noddy failed to get away cleanly in the rerun and that was that. Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Cardiff. Don't know how it compared to ast year as I missed it but bigger than 2 years ago. Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. So a cracking GP with some good racing all the way through. Gate 1 was obviously a problem all night but other than that no real complaints. Well done to all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFatDave 258 Posted June 25, 2011 What insults ? intill you come along they were taking about speedway There's at least two insults to the English language in your post, orion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumpiefan 44 Posted June 25, 2011 I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the final and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. my wife said to me after 12 heats that kolodziej was looking good. i agreed then glanced at my programme,saw he had two inside gates in his last two heats and immediately wrote him off. it is bad when one gate is so much worse than the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) You've got form, mate. I know your MO, and incidentally had it confirmed today by someone associated with the forum. I see your sense-of-umbrage app. is working well. You can throw all the insults you like, cupcake, it's like water off a Reptile's Scales to me! I have thrown no insults, unless its an insult to ask you to actually offer up an opinion on a subject you have once again invaded. I've not called a group of people 'pompous prats' for having the audacity to discuss a speedway race. As for your accusation of me having 'form' and an 'MO', its news to me. If a forum moderator has a problem then shouldn't they be addressing that matter with me? Unlike you I have never been banned from this forum, or indeed come close to being so, thus I will treat your accusatory comments with the disdain that they deserve. We've enjoyed a superb GP today with a large number of talking points. Many of which were being debated until you decided to launch your attack. Back to the GP itself, I must say I am beginning to grow in admiration for Chris Holder. He is fast becoming one of the most entertaining riders in the GP. His ride around the outside today when he was almost ducking under his handlebars was superb. One of those riders who does things that nobody else does. Edited June 25, 2011 by BWitcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumpiefan 44 Posted June 25, 2011 Justgot back from a quite brilliant GP. Thought the racing was top drawer and the overall presentation excellent. Great racing throughout the meeting and a final to get the chins wagging. Thought the POles were not really on the pace today and Gollob must be ruing his indecisiveness. Chopping and changing his bikes again is NOT the behaviour of someone who is confident enough to maintian his time at the top. As for the final, I was sitting middle tier just in front of the starting gate and Stevey Wonder would have seen Emils huge roller. Justice was served by him losing it under severe pressure from Holder, but Noddy failed to get away cleanly in the rerun and that was that. Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Cardiff. Don't know how it compared to ast year as I missed it but bigger than 2 years ago. Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. So a cracking GP with some good racing all the way through. Gate 1 was obviously a problem all night but other than that no real complaints. Well done to all. i like holder too,but did you see as soon as he finished the final his hands were up in the air as if complaining to the ref? as he said later the final produced two very tough first bends but nothing more than he expected surely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 25, 2011 Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. Its not surprising Steve, I allude to it in my post above. He has a very exciting riding style, has you on the edge of your seat the whole time. He also does (most of the time) come across very well when interviewed. The heat must be getting to me as I am seriously starting to warm to him, in GP's at least! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spook 28 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) These tapes are stupid Nicki ran into them aswell. There must be some sort of error. Im sending an email to the FIM Speedway Body and asking for a full investigation. I really really hope you are kidding What a farce. All 4 back, surely? What a <unacceptable language removed> this referee is! amen to that...... it took years for this ref to improve.... but still he isnt half the ref that he ought to be...... it was as clear an unsatisfactory start as it ever could be and he really needs to be brought to task over why not only did he allow it to run but why ultimately he had a hand in spoiling the finale of the night Thanks to Sky for bringing us the meeting but......an evening of returning to the bad old days (only last year) by being clueless of riders already out of the semi-finals and unaware of those already qualified has just hilariously been topped by.......despite not riding in the meeting Artem Laguta in their overall standings has gone from 10 points to 30!!! UPDATE That last blooper might not have been Sky's as the new graphics they just put up has Laguta correct. Still quite unforgivable their earlier muddles though lol. MP they have been doing this for as long as I can remember...... On one hand I can understand why it happens when they have so much going on to listen to in their headphones and comment on in general but on the other hand how much would it cost to hire a programmer to devise a program that makes it all very obvious in big bright squares? One laptop with a spreadsheet on it isnt enough while they have to carry out the rest of their duties....... They need a few screens to show the relevant info required in clear form I came to the conclusion a couple of years ago that it will never change ..and now my world on gp night is a more stress free place No he wouldn't. Pedersen had next to zero chance of winning the final from gate 1, he rode a superb 1st turn to give him a chance to do it, and in fact managed to get 2nd place. No complaints from the other riders either. Don't understand how some are moaning to be honest. Thoroughly enjoyed that meeting and there was some absoulutely fantastic cut throat racing. Now me and Mr Pedersen are like chalk and cheese...... Overall I do not respect him as a rider or his approach............. BUT I have to say he was quality on the night and his aggression was fitting on a track where every inch had to be fought for......... he was clearly not alone in this approach I don't think he did anything wrong in the final and if anything should be commended for what he achieved from gate 1 and for helping to make it a final that will last long in the memory If carnage had happened then the fingers might have rightly been pointed in his direction ... but the fact remains that Greg obviously had room ... and consequently so did Noddy (hmmm defending Nicki............. nurse!) first ever post on here welcome to the forum I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series, I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the semi-final stage and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. and I guess the bit in bold is a damning verdict in itself....... this is where in the name of fairness it helps to have a random draw so that those unlucky enough to pull the duff gate twice can only curse bad luck........... but ultimately it doesnt solve the issue What I know about track prep could be written on a postage stamp ......but I do find it staggering that after all these years of speedway, it is still so hit and miss to the extent that an inside gate traditionally known for being more dominant than not... can be so woefully duff Edited June 25, 2011 by spook Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keef 105 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Great win for Old Greg, and a pick-up at the bookies on Monday. Fully deserved for the top points scorer, and well received by the British fans, for the popular Californian. Bomber unfortunately only one heat win for the 2 Brits, Tai unlucky. Dissappointment for the thousands of noisy Poles. brawl between English and Poles broke out by us and the police and stewards soon moved in to sort it out. Great atmosphere again, probably the biggest crowd I've seen at Cardiff. Well-organised at Cardiff Central station. Great day out, I'm still deaf. Edited June 25, 2011 by keef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,852 Posted June 25, 2011 Great win for Old Greg, and a pick-up at the bookies on Monday. Fully deserved for the top points scorer, and well received by the British fans, for the popular Californian. Bomber unfortunately only one heat win for the 2 Brits, Tai unlucky. Dissappointment for the thousands of noisy Poles. brawl between English and drunken Poles broke out by us and the police and stewards soon moved in to sort it out. Great atmosphere again, probably the biggest crowd I've seen at Cardiff. Well-organised at Cardiff Central station. Great day out, I'm still deaf. the polish fans were not to blame for the brawl ,the british yobs were throwing beer over the poles for a few races ,yes the poles were noisey but were having harmless fun ,the shamefull british few were just looking for trouble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keef 105 Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) the polish fans were not to blame for the brawl ,the british yobs were throwing beer over the poles for a few races ,yes the poles were noisey but were having harmless fun ,the shamefull british few were just looking for trouble A lot of British fans had moved away from the area, and the police only ejected 1 Pole who came them came back in and started threatening a British fan. Was quickly ejected again. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other probably. The 5 Brits in the back row involved in the fight didn't have drinks in their hands. It was handbags anyway. Added to the excitement. This type of behaviour should be reserved for the football yobs, not at a speedway meeting. It was sparked-off by a poor Gollob ride in one heat, and the fanatical Poles probably got upset at the Brits taunts. Edited June 26, 2011 by keef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tocha 311 Posted June 26, 2011 the police only ejected 1 Pole Clearly it must have been our bobbies from the north limbering up for the Highland Games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted June 26, 2011 I really really hope you are kidding Now me and Mr Pedersen are like chalk and cheese...... Overall I do not respect him as a rider or his approach............. welcome to the forum (quote] Nikki is a rider we all want to see. He gives 100% so to critise is poor. he yields to nobody so what. Great rider and a crowd favorite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
