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Whoa there Tiger!!! Read the post as you have confirmed what I have said, Worky offered the 6th which I agree was accepted at first by Glasgow then pulled (ask your promotion why) (twit for Tat) so are you now saying that the 6th is acceptable to Glasgow are you confirming on here that this date will be the first leg at Derwent Park? I am sure the Workington promotion will be glad to hear that. You seem to be in the know? But do you really know; do you really really know do you? do you "Ken"; or can your "Ken" kiss my "Barbies Ass" Lets also clarify Worky finally accepted the 7th up at Ashfield once they found out that they would get a facility for Klindt who is the rider who would be missing, or do you want them to use Dale Lamb as their No1 up there again to give you a chance Furthermore the BSPA were reluctant to sanction the Sunday as it is the day of the Ben Fund meeting at Redcar which will already have riders missing due to Round 3 or 4 of the Lakeside Peterborough saga (and for once you cant blame either of those clubs as their fixture lists are what they are including weather impacts) and why did Glasgow want to run on an off day as their chosen night is a Friday (but hey you own the stadium and can run on any day you/they want) but it wouldn't have anything to do with fitting in with the scheduled of St Craig the new patron saint of Glasgow would it (Hmmm, no surely not) or Worky possibly being shorn of a rider. Funny how moving West a few mile can change a sinner into a saint. If Craig had been with Glasgow from the start of the season I may have had some sympathy, the circumstances that got Craig there weren't the most honourable (to say the least but I wont go down that road) and the claim that he was brought in for the best interests of British speedway don't ring very true either. We all know whose best interest it was for and in. If Glasgow can choose dates on the availability of Craig like someone has said earlier wait until next April when Dan will be fit and run it then (on second thoughts no as that's not practical either really; is it?) Now to be really honest Glasgow wanted the 12th and 13th of October which if there had not been this congestion in the fixture list would have been acceptable to both parties (I assume) but that would leave Worky with a blank weekend on the 6th and 7th and with the meetings they have to fit in just can not do it unfortunately, especially as there are only 4 weekends available in October for their remaining fixtures, so what do you want them to do concede this fixture and let Glasgow go through to the final with a bye. It would just about sum up the farce the sport is turning into. This whole argument may be moot anyway as Craig is having a scan today on his damaged hand/wrist/arm to ascertain exactly what the position is regarding his injury so serendipity may intervene and sanity may prevail and this meeting will just happen and all this bickering will just be a side show to the real event, and dare I say once Craig's position is resolved one way or another then dates may become totally meaningless. Good luck to both teams whenever it happens and lets hope everyone is safe. On my honesty I will retain the honest in the name thanks or if you do want a name change how about "Longshanks" as there is a good Scottish link there and whilst we are on with name changes can I suggest one for the Glasgow Tigers as Twisters would seem more apt and "The Glasgow Twisters" does have a certain ring about it. I will disseminate information and share what I deem fit and it will be as I have been honestly informed, if that proves to be wrong I will be the first to point that out and then post an apology; a retraction; or both; whatever is appropriate, I am happy to admit when I am wrong and some rumours are strong and still they are proven not to be the case but whoever let a good story get in the way of the truth. However the "Truth will out" as the saying goes So come on "The Glasgow Twisters" do the right thing Regards THJ

They got the same ‘loyalty’ as they showed to Buster and the fans. The one thing riders should know about Chapman is you don’t :;() him over without there being a price to pay

If they could get one to drop out the top League could run as a four team tournament... Same four teams constantly riding one home match per week, providing that continuity of fixture list that so many want... Would only need 16 riders too so lots of replacements available so no need for Guests, adding much needed credibility to the Sport... Or maybe to spice it up a bit they could have one complete Guest Team per week replacing one of the regulars on a adhoc non conjoined, randomly unplanned basis? It needs to be made clear though that no Guest Teams would be allowed to gain entry to the end of season playoff, regardless of performance. As only the four official Premiership teams will be allowed to try and qualify for the four places available... Bring back the Green Helmet cover to add a bit of colour as well.. Also. Possibly any team six points behind at any stage of the meeting, to any other team at all, could also then have that team (or team's) riders that they are six behind, blindfolded....? Circa £30 to get in, the increase being down to the fact that you will now get 16 races each meeting, so more than at present, and that only blindfolds officially made by respected ex riders may be endorsed to be used, and this costs money.... Oh, and due to the Polish, Swedish and Danish Leagues race nights, to avoid clashes, all matches will be ran at 1.00am on a Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday and Friday morning, so the lads can, the very minute after Heat 16 is completed, drive directly to whichever the nearest airport is that gets them out to Sweden/Denmark and Poland as early as possible.. Thus saving on costly overnight hotel bills.. Add in a few K Tels Hits of the Seventies CD's, a centre green presenter who has had experience in hospital radio and an evening full of birthday dedications to fans who have been "coming for 60 years and whose favourite rider of all time is Bjorn Knutsson" and quite frankly we are on to a winner... Could be a great year for British Speedway 2019... Edit : Monkey Tennis in the interval? No? Ok but no ideas a bad idea...

I been a poole supporter a lot longer than you this is a forum for debate i write how i see it if you dont like what i write dont read it better still put me on ignore bye

I am not quite sure how you can say that with Kemp, Bebee, Marson, Jenkins, Rowe, Bickley, Dicken, Woodhull, Pavitt, Flint, Atkins, Edwards, Brennan etc riding in it. All of these are in their first or second season at that level. Even the likes of Bowtell, Shanes, Morley, Hume, Bacon, Wood, Verge, Stoneman, Bailey, Smith, Mountain and Perks could be given the tag of developing. There are older riders in the league, but Jon Armstrong's reputation as a mentor is well known and of significant benefit - ask anyone. The league has to come to a balance between developing riders and ensuring that the product is attractive to the public, because a team full of novices most certainly is not - that's nothing more than a glorified training session. I think for the most part the NL hits it bang on.

Batch has gone from 8.48 to 7.96 in the last month. As long as he averages 8.00 tonight he'll be fine. They should have gone old-skool tonight. Fireworks, moped races, flour fights, burning Rosco's trousers - that sort of thing.

Maybe he his a Poole speedway supporter without the blue tinted specs!

This has to be the worst speedway match of all time .10 mins between races to back drop of a 1980's sound track .if you wanted to know why speedway is dying this is it

What an earth are you going on about

Can't believe I am saying this but good luck Monarchs at least with Monarch fans we (weegies) get the usual banter, so hopefully Monarchs hump the Comets, as their fans come across as envious moaners who play the victim role. The Comets team have done very well this year and deservedly so , but certain fans seem to think that other teams should jump to their demands because they have a problem fitting their fixtures in after not having any during the long hot summer.

If you do not ride over the lumps or down into the holes it is only 290 mtrs

We look forward to seeing you arrive on your broomstick

The Edinburgh track staff did a superb job of rescuing the track before the Berwick match after heavy rain virtually all day and a 40-minute delay to let them relay the surface once the rain went off. They deserve every plaudit for their efforts, and in fact there were some pretty good races when the match got going. They didn't "let themselves get caught out" and all that happened was the Bandits were making superb starts early doors. Nowt to do with the track. As for various Worky people here suggesting Kevin Doolan is a poor choice of guest, he seemed OK in that one -- paid ten from four, I think.

Can only have a maximum of 7 rides not 10

Hope doolan turns up with an engine and not the push bike he used at newcastle !

Great night at NSS on Monday, did not start off too well, but second half was brilliant. Super performance from all the team, tactics spot on from the manager.Makes up for the disappointing 2017 season where a couple let us down. Looking forward to Monday at the AFA. Let's get behind the Stars, they deserve it.

Conciliatory/Rosco? Let’s be frank here, he wouldn’t know the definition of conciliatory if it smacked him in the mush!

Fans who want to see the top boys need to get a grip on reality and realise the more we keep chasing the dream of our league system been respected alongside Poland and Sweden the more trouble clubs over here will get into, we just don't have the fan base to pay these riders and riders over here need to realise the sport here at moment is at a semi professional level so don't expect much more. Speedway here needs to strip it back and pay what we can afford, improve the product in general and have less drama and bad press releases. Once the product improves and we can then maybe look at a proper tv deal if we are giving them something they want to pay for, right now they clearly don't value it so clearly something needs to change and not just for them but for us. I would go with the one league system or one i sent into BSPA was this North/South Split (with the clubs from top PL & CL currently running) 18 Teams as it stands North Division would be : Belle Vue, Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Workington. South Division would be : Kings Lynn, Leicester, Poole, Somerset, Swindon, Wolves, Ipswich, Lakeside, Peterborough. Teams in there respective divisions would face each other home and away twice so that would be 16 home meetings but also i would add in that north v south face each other once to create extra fixtures and would also add variety which would be awesome for fans and riders and how it would work is say next year in 2019 Sheffield travel down to Poole, the year after in 2020 Poole would travel to Sheffield. So that is 20/21 home league meetings which would be great value for season tickets, you would see how can fit in KO Cup in and then at end of season the top teams in north and south would be divisional champions and get a trophy and then face each other in a two leg tie for playoff champions, give it all advertising you can and a Super Bowl style finale. I believe this is more radical than a poxy name change they did other year and would help speedway in this country grow, riders would get enough meetings in and if we have to go 5 or 6 riders in a team, create a format that works to make team speedway exactly that again and have a product we can be proud of. This might not be perfect but surely would be better than staying as we are and struggling along.

Well i did say about the Belle Vue fan that had drunk to much and was quite aggressive,and i agreed with someone about him calling Proctor a cheat.The reason i put this is because it is all true,sorry if that has upset you

You're gonna get it now

THJ, I'm intrigued by your 'TotallyHonestJohn' handle. What does 'Totally' add to 'HonestJohn'? Or is there a 'PartiallyHonestJohn' down there with whom you do not wish to be confused? Are you making the point that you are the honestest of all the Johns who post on here? More honest than 'SeldomHonestJohn'? It's a bit like the word 'Strictly' used on signage. What difference is there between 'No ball games' and 'Strictly no ball games' or 'No parking' and 'Strictly no parking'? I reckon it's just a scam perpetrated by signwriters to make more money. Anyway, I think the current fixtures debacle is, Strictly, TotallyC*ckedUp.

I was going on the team position changes from Somerset. Harris at one on the new GS so Kurtz goes to 5. Josh at 3 worked very well so why go back? He is on form and his meeting isn’t run by heat 10. If Josh is at 2, it leaves us vunerable at 3 and 4 imo.

think every speedway fan is hoping for the best,but just a little concerned

The thing is, the play offs are meant to be the financial saviour for some teams and meant to be looked forward to by fans. One way to ensure a big crowd for both legs is to give advance notice of the dates so fans can plan ahead and promoters promote, I realise this is a alien concept for most worky fans who obviously have spent time working in or close to Sellafield. Fans also in the past have welcomed fixtures that are back to back rather than spread out. The suggested 6 and 7th would have done that. Some worky fans are upset that Glasgow suggested Sunday 7th for there home leg as it isn't there raceday although forgetting its our alternative day. Other worky fans think we should hold it when it suits worky as we can race anytime we like. So no thought for what might be the best day to promote the match and get a good crowd. It is that type of thinking that has got Workington in to a mess from which it will be difficult to recover. This thread alone and the lack of dates will cost worky c250 Glasgow fans that will no longer travel.

I never done much reading of the Sunday Sport but I bought it every week , doesn't make me a bad person though .

Now come on Boys let’s play nicely otherwise you might get your crayons taken away.

Me too - the video also exemplifies just how good the track lighting is at Arena compared to Rye House. As for the racing itself, no comparison - RH is pretty dire.

Or attaching a rocket to his pants! Adam's best night this year was guesting for Kings Lynn in a double-header, shows the riders dislike of the Abbey racetrack. Good to see local lad Brennan in the team.

Well according to you Glasgow Regards THJ

I cant help thinking this was all Holder's doing.. Having ridden at Poole a few days earlier scoring a Max, not only did he want to show Matt Ford what he was missing, but also wanted to help them out as well. Yeah, the track was rubbish that day, but all the other riders stuck to their task and rode it, so it wasn't that bad... Holder made out it was unsafe but nobody got injured. Batch, having won his first race and was team riding a 5-1 in his second, when he slid off, no doubt supporting Holder's ideas. For both of them to walk away was unforgivable and they deserved all the problems that followed.. I'm still of the impression, had we been riding against any other team then Poole, it wouldn't have happened.....

You got in one

It will be interesting watching to see if certain riders are reducing their average so they have more of a chance of securing a position next year. A lot will depend on what the bspa decide as a team average limit and even number of riders in a team. Just look at how many riders have recently got their average below 8. In the past riders have done very well one season and ridden themselves out of a job in the UK the next. Others have waved their partner through on the line so they get a bonus point and reduced average but the same pay as if they had won.

Barch and Holder were 100% the reason for their sacking

Honestly Yes they do understand and yes they do want to give as much information to fans both home and away however there are still 5 fixtures to complete between Lakeside and Peterborough and having asked the question I can confirm the Worky promotion are just as frustrated as the fans in not being able to progress these matters and I can also assure you there are a raft of emails between Tony Jackson and the promotions concerned to try and get meetings on, but there is a reluctance and rightly so I suppose to firm up dates when these other meetings are still to be concluded. The following demonstrates just how skewed the Workington fixture list has been this year: “From 1st April until 31st August this year the Comets raced as a team EIGHT TIMES at Derwent Park” “From 1st September until 29th September this year the Comets will have raced as a team SEVEN TIMES at Derwent Park” This scenario has panned out over the season and has been thus for various reasons, however it has not been all of Workington's own doing, they have been trying to get fixtures run but to be diplomatic (for want of a better word) they have kept their own council and tried to get on as best they can with the situation. I can understand fan frustration at not getting fixtures sorted but believe me its not for the want of trying by the Workington promotion. I have seen and been party to the correspondence so there is plenty of evidence that the Workington promotion are trying to progress matters. (its just not something that tends to be shared) More to follow (as the saying goes) Regards THJ

'Pencilled in' as the first round of the 2019 KOC probably

Prove me wrong and make me eat my words Kevin, plea..........se.

Totally spot on Mr Webb. With Rose, Kerr and Anderson we are unlikely to have topped the table ( meaning no disrespect to any of that trio ). Eric Riss has, as you say, been the pivot around which positive changes have been made.

Didn’t they have a big 70’s hit with I can’t give you anything ?

Statistics....

If the limit is 30 then I will not be going to watch speedway next season at any level as I do not like the two higher leagues and I do not wish to spend £13 watching a glorified mdl

Thank Ford for that

Fear of change taking over again and the status quo continues

Funny that when trying to promote a major event the third tiers rider championship is marketed as the NLRC not the NDLRC!!! The only time the development tag is used is when higher league clubs want a cheap or free signing.

Hopefully this match will help with Workingtons inability to arrange matches as they will be totally humped and knocked out. Help I've just realised what I've said

Whats wrong with you apart from being a worky fan. We were willing to go to you as requested on 6 October a Saturday night even though you'd all miss watching Cookie on the tele and remember apparently that's why you wanted Friday nights (give me strength). We wanted to hold the second leg as per the rules so to try and speed up things we suggested Sunday the 7th the day after, a day we have ridden on as it is our alternative race day, ask Edinburgh. You don't have a fixture on the 7th and now with his injury we'd be missing our top rider two days running and you are still behaving like a pudding with chips on both shoulders. Do you not realise that acting like this the NL promoters won't want to touch you with a barge pole. If you can't run fixtures due to rider availability, stadium availability, money availability you shouldnt be in a league never mind the championship.

If a rider does not have any medical certification, but simply decides he doesn't want to ride anymore, I suppose some kind of 'suspension' could be placed on him. If this was towards the end of the season (as has happened with Mark) then the suspension would be for the start of the new season - and might mean, of course, he wouldn't get a job initially. Would that then be considered too harsh a 'punishment' or not? Also, should the club(s) that rider rides for be punished? Should it only have been a National League rider to a certain average that was allowed to replace him? As Mark made his decision when he did, neither Ipswich nor Belle Vue were allowed to sign a replacement and so the guest facility came into play. The problem with guests is, of course, that it is done on a 'horses-for-courses' basis. There is an argument that says Jye's 9 points on Monday were more than Mark would have scored given their current form. Highly unlikely, but hypothetically, Belle Vue could have a guest at reserve in the 2nd Leg at Saddlebow Road that chalks up a dozen points or so in a shock 50-40 Aces win. So 21 points from two guests to edge the Aces to a 91-89 aggregate win. Given the remarks made on here and elsewhere about why Mark has finished his season early, would that then open more 'conspiracy' theories?

There is the problem . The BSPA should be telling the clubs the dates the meetings have to be held , not leaving it to the clubs humming and hawing and squabbling over it . Why bother with play offs when you get this kind of nonsense .

Hi all, I'm quite the lurker on here, so please be gentle........... Reading what you have posted has made me think about averages...... I'm not disputing what you have said at all, and this post is more for discussion than argument (for want of a better word), however......... To my thinking, (and I'm happy to accept I may be being niave about it), averages are a finite number, in the sense that in a heat, some wins, someone comes last...... for that heat the winner has an average (I know, not strictly true, nothing 'average' about it) of 12.00, the person finishing last 0.00 Here's where it goes a bit hypothetical, (but bear with me, because I do bring it back to a point) but let's say next year, 14 of the GP riders are picked into 2 teams, and go racing around the the country once a week at various tracks, in an exhibition type league......... it would be possible that at the end of the season, 20 meetings on, someone could have anaverage of 0.00.....last in every heat....... he'd look terrible on paper, yet in reality he'd be one of the best riders in the world....... and in 50 years time, when our grandchildren look back, all they would see would be the 0.00 average..... they would look down their nose at said rider........ Not sure if my point is coming through, hope you understand what I am trying to say...... and it's not meant as an argument, just a thought, I'm defo not disagreeing with your point On a side note, as I was working a nightshift last Saturday, and 'watched' the GP on updates, I've only caught up with the programme today........ for those who say Tai isn't British, he sure looked British on the podium showing off his Union Jack on his race suit...... I love the bloke

It would actually cost a few thousand ...

The accident - from where I was standing and I had a very good view - most certainly was not Dan Bewley's fault. Then again, neither was it Kyle Newman's. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Newman's injury should be 'forgotten about'. But, in scale and severity, there is simply no comparison with what Bewley suffered. Bewley is still in a wheelchair and will be for some time to come. His estimated recovery time (at least to ride again) is 6 months. Someone said to me the other day that he didn't know it was possible to break a femur in 5 places. It cannot be the case that every injury suffered by a rider will be of the kind that will generate substantial fund rising activities. However, it is difficult to imagine that the appalling injuries suffered by one of British Speedway's most outstanding young riders would not be one of them.