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Indeed a certain Mark Jones who is back with Newport in the PL for 2011

Take out Plymouth mate, we are PL now apparently!

Rye have been asking for youngsters for their Cobras team so it looks very much like Rye will be running in 2011. As for Plymouth, whilst I'm hearing mutterings of us replacing Kings Lynn in the Prem, I fully expect us to be in the NL.

Bob I do hope your right

RR I know you have verbally supported our application for PL racing of which I can only say thank you but what makes you think we would get a PL spot now? Whilst Lynn may be going into the Elite League, I still can't see us getting a place!

Well if Plymouth are invited into the PL as a result of a PL club moving up to the EL, it will prove that it was all about numbers and nothing to do with any genuine reasons for refusal. It has been said on here previously by me and plenty of others. I'm quite exhausted with this whole debate and our sport in general to be honest. The AGM has brought nothing but problems across all 3 leagues and if that isn't confirmation that the BSPA are ruining this sport then I don't know what is. There are too many egos and too many agendas throughout the higher echelons of our sport and quite frankly it is a bloody joke!

Speculation as to why we were refused will continue until Mike Bowden explains to the fans, I agree in that I dont think travel would have been the issue. Our facilities would have been my main concern, given the restrictions we have for example no permanent structures allowed at the SBA, ie concrete terracing or stands, but as a few have suggested on the AGM thread, it wouldn't surprise me if the PL didn't want Mike Bowden rather than the Plymouth Devils!

I would have loved Plymouth to be put into the PL, but if a PL club moves up and we are invited it obviously means the reasons why we were refused in the 1st place are utter crap! If our facilities weren't up to scratch or the BSPA felt our track wasn't good enough or the travelling aspect was a problem (all genuine ish reasons for refusal) then surely no matter what happens we shouldn't be invited anyway as none of these things will have changed! If Lynn do move up and we are asked to move up I dare say Mike Bowden will do so, but it will just prove most peoples theories right, that the BSPA are a bunch of self centred, arrogant people that function on a basis of who you know not what you know. The sooner they are removed and an independent body comes in the better our sport will become!

This post sums up what is wrong with speedway in this Country!

I would be surprised if the PL has less than 14 and the NL has less than 9/10 teams for the new season. As for Stoke, whilst I can understand Potters fans feeling their promotion have done things wrong (I have no clue what the promotion have done over the years and how the fans have been treated), but despite dropping down a league the level of racing and excitement will still remain! These young lads (and some older ones) are bloody good racers and you don't get any primadona's unlike the EL. It somewhat annoys me that fans of teams in a league above continue to dismiss anything below that level! I hope Stoke fans give the NL a shot as I really think the Potters along with the Heathens will be very good sides next year.

Plymouth haven't as yet been confirmed as being accepted into the PL, so you may yet have south coast rivals!

People must realise surely that any speedway is better than none! The NL as a product isn't that far behind the PL in terms of close racing. Although the standard of the top NL riders is around PL reserves, the racing is on the whole tremendous to watch! Plymouth were without a club for decades but the CL/NL has been our route back in, Stoke fans must not give up on their club. If the promotion build a good team, which i'm sure they will, Stoke will be back among the trophies!!

I'm sure Stoke will build a very good NL side for 2011. Whilst I can understand all Stoke supporters disappointment at not being in the PL for 2011, the racing in the NL last season was brilliant. I hope Stoke keep most of their fan base and support a good young side for the Potters to then return to the PL maybe in 2012. As for potential riders well I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Barrie Evans, Jaimie Pickard and possibly Paul Starke (doubling down) are included. Possibly Ben Hopwood too. Either way I expect Stoke to have a team capable of winning the league.

Garrity is one rider I have never seen much to my disappointment, a cracking prospect i'm told and Squall and Youngy tell me he is a bit mad. Just a shame every time Buxton have come to Plymouth he has never turned up

Real shame to hear about the goings on down at the Wessex, I have heard plenty of things about Mr Bartlett's promoting skills, although may I add do not know what is true and what is merely rumour. But it is a real shame that another club may possibly be closing. I have been to Weymouth several times over the past 4 years for some epic battles with the Devils and have generally enjoyed a really good nights racing on a decent track. (It seems this year however both the racing and the track hasn't been to the same standard). I only hope things can be sorted out and the Wildcats are back racing in 2011. Best of luck to all involved

Whilst I agree that Joe is a cracking little prospect, I think he would struggle badly in the PL. He has never gone well when I have seen him (3 or 4 occasions), but the talent is certainly there. 1 more year of NL then the step up should be on the cards.

So many have improved this season and down at Plymouth Mr Pickard has become a real rider this year and has been brilliant in the past couple of months. As for the visiting riders I have seen, biggest improver from the 2009 season for me would be Kyle Newman. He used to be terrible around the SBA but impressed me greatly this season. However the most impressive guys for me were the first time visitors of Marc Owen, Steve Worrall and Nick Morris. They all went really well and had a good go at the Devils lads. As for the others Tom Perry and Jake Knight stand out. I have to say for those non NL followers they have missed a treat this season. Been some great racing and with the exception of Morris (as he is an Aussie) it shows we do have some great British talent out there.

Very good point this. There have been a few riders who have done exactly this. Seemond Stephens didn't start speedway until he was in his 30's albeit he rode several years at PL before dropping down to the NL. But Scott Anderson is a classic example of when he was up at Scunny. When the grading system was in place the BSPA penalised riders over 30 if my memory serves me correctly and Scott had he grade raised by at least 1 point despite only having limited experience, (Malc can probably correct me on that). Anyway whilst I totally agree with limiting the riders over 25 in each team, it should be based on experience rather than age. So maybe only 1 rider over 25 with minimum 3 years experience or something like that.

Has anyone got the individual scores for this one? Thanks in advance

Courtesy of the speedway updates site... KOPIOWANIE TYLKO ZA ZGOD¥ ADMINISTRATORA Please remember that these updates cost the texter and updater money, please don't ruin it for others by posting the score up before the updater has had a chance to update this screen All Updates will appear in this window, please feel free to post any comments below. Trackside: 21stcentury Updater: Mikeyt Dudley Heathens = 54 1. Lee Smart - 3, 2, F/x, 3 = 8 2. Micky Dyer - X, 1', 3, 3 = 7+1 3. Tom Perry - 2, 2', 2, 3, 1' = 10+2 4. Jake Anderson - 1', 3, 1', 3, 2, = 10+2 5. Barrie Evans - 1', M, 3, 1 = 5+1 6. Ashley Morris - 3, 1', X, F/x = 4+1 7. Richard Franklin - 2', 2, 2, 2', 2' = 10+3 Plymouth Devils = 41 1. Nicki Glanz - 2, 1, 2, 0, R = 5 2. Jaimie Pickard - 1', 0, 0, 1' = 2+2 3. Matt Bates - 0, 0, 2, 1 = 3 4. Seemond Stephens - 3, 3, 1', 4! = 11+1 5. Mark Simmonds - 3, 3, 6!, 2, 3 = 17 6. Bob Charles - X, F/x, 0 = 0 7. Ben Reade - 1, 0, 1, 0, 1 = 3 Heat Results Heathens won the toss and take gates 1&3 Heat 01: Re-run: Smart, Glanz, Pickard 3-3 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Stopped! Dyer picked up a touch too much drive on the inside of turn 2, clipped Pickard who bailed out before the fence. Up immediately and perfectly ok. Dyer discluded. Re-run: From the gate and well spread. Sponsored by www.enjaydesigns.net Nice to see Smarty taking time to talk to the 2 young Dudley reserves as they come out for heat 2 Heat 02: Re-run: Morris, Franklin, Reade 5-1, 8-4 Line Up: Morris, Franklin, Charles, Reade Comments: Race stopped. Charles failed to turn going into turn 1. He hit Morris and high sided, credit to Reade for laying his bike down quickly to avoid his team mate. Morris briefly got off the bike and fell to the floor holding his leg. All riders up quite quickly though and back to the pits under their own steam. Charles is discluded. Whilst waiting for the re-run, Smarty is again out on track chatting to Perry this time. (Updater comment: Seems like Lee is doing a great job up at Dudley, good to see). Re-run: Even start between Morris and Reade. Morris moved over to cover Reade on turn 1 and 2 to clear off for the win. Dreadful start and tentative first lap by Franklin gave Reade a healthy head start but Franklin got on with business and reeled in the Plymouth man, making an inside pass on him on the back straight of the final lap. Sponsored by Steve Dixon www.stevedixonphotography.co.uk Heat 03: Stephens, Perry, Anderson, Bates 3-3, 11-7 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, Bates, Stephens Comments: Tapes to flag win. Anderson always close but way slower than Perry who was blocked throughout by his partner. Perry finally found a little gap coming off the last turn and almost passed both of them. Sponsored by: Speedway fans, we will take your favourite picture and turn it into an awesome one-off gift, check us out at www.createaclock.co.uk Heat 04: Simmonds, Franklin, Evans, Reade 3-3, 14-10 Line Up: Evans, Franklin, Simmonds, Reade Comments: Gate to flag win but decent pressure by Franklin. Evans disappointingly half a straight behind them. Reade reasonably close to Evans. Sponsored by Friends of Edinburgh Speedway http://www.foes.info/ Heat 05: Anderson, Perry, Glanz, Pickard 5-1, 19-11 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Anderson from the gate. Perry missed the start badly and then compounded it by trying to turn as though he was at Monmore, almost ending up on the centre green! From what must have been at least 30 metres back, he reeled in the Devils pair who were side by side 30 metres ahead of him. He passed Pickard outside on the back straight of lap 3 and Glanz a lap later. This kid is a star in the making!! Sponsored by Splod Heat 06: Re-run: Simmonds, Smart, Dyer 3-3, 22-14 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Simmonds, Charles Comments: Stopped! Charles appeared to 21stcentury to hit the curb on turn 1 and fell on his own. He had virtually cleared the track with the other 3 still on home straight. No need to stop what had developed into a great race. Smart moved Simmonds out turn 1 and 2 to allow cut back for Dyer. Simmonds tried to dive bomb the pair going into turn 3. Shame! Re-run: Gate to flag win for Simmonds. But he was under plenty of pressure from Smart. Smart on outside but then tried a huge cut back coming off turn 4 of lap 3. Slight misunderstanding between the Heathens as he found Dyer in the way which ended his challenge. Sponsored by Heat 07: Stephens, Franklin, Morris, Bates 3-3, 25-17 Line Up: Evans Franklin, Morris, Bates, Stephens Comments: Evans misses the 2 minutes and is replaced by Franklin. Gate to flag win for Stephens but good pressure again from Franklin. He just seemed to lack that little bit extra to sneak through. Some confident looking heat winners for the visitors tonight. They're going to make us work for it! Sponsored by Merlin Heat 08: Dyer, Franklin, Reade, Pickard 5-1, 30-18 Line Up: Dyer, Franklin, Pickard, Reade Comments: From the gate. Dyer gets it together to win by a mile looking fast and comfortable. Pickard slipped off turn 1 but got straight up to finish. Heathens 12 clear now, so Simmonds to don the Black and White helmet in heat 9. Sponsored by Heat 09: SIMMONDS, Perry, Anderson, Charles 3-6, 33-24 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, SIMMONDS, Charles Comments: Simmonds takes a tactical ride for Plymouth. Brilliant race! Simmonds and Anderson gate together. Simmonds moves Anderson out on turns 1 and 2. Perry made a clever turn from gate 4 down to the curb to pass both down the back straight. Simmonds though went back passed Perry exiting turn 4 of the opening lap. Perry then spends 3 laps all over Simmonds back wheel on the inside and outside. He almost got half a wheel infront a couple of times but a good ride by Simmonds to hang on for 6 points under massive pressure. Credit to both! Sponsored by inthedirt clothing - inthedirt.co.uk - facebook.com/inthedirt Heat 10: Re-run x2: Dyer, Bates, Stephens 3-3, 36-27 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Bates, Stephens Comments: Unsatisfactory start as Bates jumps it, all 4 back. Re-run: Stopped! Heathens on an easy 5-1 when Smart takes a heavy fall on turn 4 of lap 2 after his chain snaps mid bend. He has taken a whack in the family jewels but otherwise seems to be ok. Will be re-run because Stephens was so far behind he hadn't completed 2 laps when the race was stopped! Smart discluded. Texter says, it was lucky Smart was on the outside when he fell else it could have been a lot worse for the team riding stars! Re-run x2: From the gate and well spread out. Dyer flying now! Stephens about quarter of a lap behind and even popped a mini wheelie on the back straight of laps 3 and 4. Is that really the guy that won his first two rides!? Sponsored by INTERVAL NOW SO GO GET A REFILL ON THE COFFEE, TEA OR BEER FOLKS!! BACK UNDER WAY!! Heat 11: Re-run: Evans, Glanz, Pickard 3-3, 39-30 Line Up: Evans, Morris, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Stopped! Morris ran into the back of Glanz because he was so much quicker going into turn 1. Neither really to blame as Morris desperately tried to turn under Glanz to avoid his back wheel but without brakes he had no chance! Morris discluded which is right 21stcentury supposes because Glanz was ahead, under perfect control and didn't change line. Unfortunate! Re-run: Evans comes to the party with a great ride. Made the start initially but a good turn from Glanz saw him lead going into turn 3 for the first time. Big handful around the outside by Evans to scrape passed as they cross the line into lap 2. Not room for a fag paper between the riders!! Sponsored by Heat 12: Perry, Franklin, Bates, Reade 5-1, 44-31 Line Up: Perry, Franklin, Bates, Charles Reade Comments: Reserve change sees Reade replace Charles for the Devils. Comfortable for the Heathens but Bates not tailed off although not close enough to challenge. Somehow the Heathens worst gaters found a start at the same time and from the opposite gates to the ones they'd prefer! If this were a game show they should shout BANK because I bet they don't do that again this season lol!!! Sponsored by Heat 13: Smart, Simmonds, Evans, Glanz 4-2, 48-33 Line Up: Smart, Evans, Glanz, Simmonds Comments: Smart from the gate but pushed all the way. Evans worked Glanz for a couple of laps and then passed him inside turn 1 of lap 3. Sponsored by Art and Stitch for all your sewing and art supplies www.artandstitch.co.uk Heat 14: Anderson, STEPHENS, Reade, Morris(F/x) 3-5, 51-38 Line Up: Anderson, Morris, STEPHENS, Reade Comments: Stephens takes a tactical ride for Plymouth. Brilliant turn 1 and 2 from Anderson to go around Stephens as he tried to push him out. Stunning turn 3 and 4 from Morris to come from nowhere at the back to pass both Plymouth riders as they levelled off for the home straight. Sadly Morris then slides off on his own at end of home straight lap 3. He's gone down at high speed and given the fence a real crack. But after a few mins he has walked away. Race awarded. Sponsored by Splod Heat 15: Simmonds, Anderson, Perry, Glanz(Ret) 3-3, 54-41 Line-up: Perry, Anderson, Glanz, Simmonds Comments: Devils win the toss and take 1 and 3. Glanz lapped after having a bike problem on lap 1 and retires. Perry had a bike problem on lap 2 but nursed home for the point. Anderson almost got a line on turn 1 and 2 of the opening lap to get around Simmonds but went too wide and it was game over after that. Anti climax really! Oh well! Decent smattering of good races with a few crackers thrown in. Few points went begging for the Heathens tonight but we never looked threatened in truth as even when the Devils were winning races there wasn't back up for heat advantages against us. So the Heathens set the target at 42 Buxton and Newport to chase. One final note, Chris Kerr and Ty Proctor are now having a practice. Kerr in his Brummies kevlars, Kerr in his Aussie ones! Both due to ride in an individual meeting a Perry Barr next week. Sponsored by Deadlock Clothing - www.deadlockclothinguk.com ************************* Comments: Teams now confirmed. Quick mention for the Plymouth fans who have made the trip. There are 3 little groups that the texter has spotted. Good on them for making the long journey! The centre green announcer had a chat with them about whether they are from Devon or Cornwall! lol. Congratulations to the Heathens on all 3 league points. Well done to the Devils who I think kept the score down well. Thats all folks, big thanks to 21stcentury for his brilliant, fun and detailed texts and to you all for watching, good night. © 2005-2010 All meetings are copyrighted to Speedway Updates, permission must be sought and we must be fully credited before they are used elsewhere.

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David Gough has broken his ankle after a crash last Friday night and will be replaced by Bob Charles I believe in this meeting.

This looks a cracker, I have made an executive decision and will complete a nice 10 hour round journey from Cornwall for this Mon the Brits!!

There is no doubt that this whole thing stinks. I believe Bowden has made a good move in bringing in Glanz, the problem is he should never have dropped the one asset the club has that has a real future in the sport. If he were serious about going PL surely Starke would have been a nailed on choice for reserve probably alongside Glanz. Yet again Bowden has stuck with the old boys, which is totally wrong. But as a previous poster has said, this has all come from a poor decision to re-sign both Stephens and Simmonds at the start of the season, giving Plymouth a much too top heavy team. With the exception of Starke, the 1-7 that Plymouth started the season with had zero improvement in it! Yet again Bowden has showed everyone that the old boys will always come first no matter what and the long list of quality British riders to come through the ranks and then be forced out at Plymouth continues...Chris Johnson, Adam Roynon, Ben Hopwood, Kyle Hughes, Paul Starke...who's next???

Totally disgraceful! Not a shock as the 'click' will never be broken up! The sooner the BSPA implement rules to restrict older and foreign riders in the NL the better! Whats even more laughable is that other than Pickard, Starke was the only one to increase his average, justify that Bowden! Disgusted!