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Has anyone got the individual scores for this one? Thanks in advance

Courtesy of the speedway updates site... KOPIOWANIE TYLKO ZA ZGOD¥ ADMINISTRATORA Please remember that these updates cost the texter and updater money, please don't ruin it for others by posting the score up before the updater has had a chance to update this screen All Updates will appear in this window, please feel free to post any comments below. Trackside: 21stcentury Updater: Mikeyt Dudley Heathens = 54 1. Lee Smart - 3, 2, F/x, 3 = 8 2. Micky Dyer - X, 1', 3, 3 = 7+1 3. Tom Perry - 2, 2', 2, 3, 1' = 10+2 4. Jake Anderson - 1', 3, 1', 3, 2, = 10+2 5. Barrie Evans - 1', M, 3, 1 = 5+1 6. Ashley Morris - 3, 1', X, F/x = 4+1 7. Richard Franklin - 2', 2, 2, 2', 2' = 10+3 Plymouth Devils = 41 1. Nicki Glanz - 2, 1, 2, 0, R = 5 2. Jaimie Pickard - 1', 0, 0, 1' = 2+2 3. Matt Bates - 0, 0, 2, 1 = 3 4. Seemond Stephens - 3, 3, 1', 4! = 11+1 5. Mark Simmonds - 3, 3, 6!, 2, 3 = 17 6. Bob Charles - X, F/x, 0 = 0 7. Ben Reade - 1, 0, 1, 0, 1 = 3 Heat Results Heathens won the toss and take gates 1&3 Heat 01: Re-run: Smart, Glanz, Pickard 3-3 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Stopped! Dyer picked up a touch too much drive on the inside of turn 2, clipped Pickard who bailed out before the fence. Up immediately and perfectly ok. Dyer discluded. Re-run: From the gate and well spread. Sponsored by www.enjaydesigns.net Nice to see Smarty taking time to talk to the 2 young Dudley reserves as they come out for heat 2 Heat 02: Re-run: Morris, Franklin, Reade 5-1, 8-4 Line Up: Morris, Franklin, Charles, Reade Comments: Race stopped. Charles failed to turn going into turn 1. He hit Morris and high sided, credit to Reade for laying his bike down quickly to avoid his team mate. Morris briefly got off the bike and fell to the floor holding his leg. All riders up quite quickly though and back to the pits under their own steam. Charles is discluded. Whilst waiting for the re-run, Smarty is again out on track chatting to Perry this time. (Updater comment: Seems like Lee is doing a great job up at Dudley, good to see). Re-run: Even start between Morris and Reade. Morris moved over to cover Reade on turn 1 and 2 to clear off for the win. Dreadful start and tentative first lap by Franklin gave Reade a healthy head start but Franklin got on with business and reeled in the Plymouth man, making an inside pass on him on the back straight of the final lap. Sponsored by Steve Dixon www.stevedixonphotography.co.uk Heat 03: Stephens, Perry, Anderson, Bates 3-3, 11-7 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, Bates, Stephens Comments: Tapes to flag win. Anderson always close but way slower than Perry who was blocked throughout by his partner. Perry finally found a little gap coming off the last turn and almost passed both of them. Sponsored by: Speedway fans, we will take your favourite picture and turn it into an awesome one-off gift, check us out at www.createaclock.co.uk Heat 04: Simmonds, Franklin, Evans, Reade 3-3, 14-10 Line Up: Evans, Franklin, Simmonds, Reade Comments: Gate to flag win but decent pressure by Franklin. Evans disappointingly half a straight behind them. Reade reasonably close to Evans. Sponsored by Friends of Edinburgh Speedway http://www.foes.info/ Heat 05: Anderson, Perry, Glanz, Pickard 5-1, 19-11 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Anderson from the gate. Perry missed the start badly and then compounded it by trying to turn as though he was at Monmore, almost ending up on the centre green! From what must have been at least 30 metres back, he reeled in the Devils pair who were side by side 30 metres ahead of him. He passed Pickard outside on the back straight of lap 3 and Glanz a lap later. This kid is a star in the making!! Sponsored by Splod Heat 06: Re-run: Simmonds, Smart, Dyer 3-3, 22-14 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Simmonds, Charles Comments: Stopped! Charles appeared to 21stcentury to hit the curb on turn 1 and fell on his own. He had virtually cleared the track with the other 3 still on home straight. No need to stop what had developed into a great race. Smart moved Simmonds out turn 1 and 2 to allow cut back for Dyer. Simmonds tried to dive bomb the pair going into turn 3. Shame! Re-run: Gate to flag win for Simmonds. But he was under plenty of pressure from Smart. Smart on outside but then tried a huge cut back coming off turn 4 of lap 3. Slight misunderstanding between the Heathens as he found Dyer in the way which ended his challenge. Sponsored by Heat 07: Stephens, Franklin, Morris, Bates 3-3, 25-17 Line Up: Evans Franklin, Morris, Bates, Stephens Comments: Evans misses the 2 minutes and is replaced by Franklin. Gate to flag win for Stephens but good pressure again from Franklin. He just seemed to lack that little bit extra to sneak through. Some confident looking heat winners for the visitors tonight. They're going to make us work for it! Sponsored by Merlin Heat 08: Dyer, Franklin, Reade, Pickard 5-1, 30-18 Line Up: Dyer, Franklin, Pickard, Reade Comments: From the gate. Dyer gets it together to win by a mile looking fast and comfortable. Pickard slipped off turn 1 but got straight up to finish. Heathens 12 clear now, so Simmonds to don the Black and White helmet in heat 9. Sponsored by Heat 09: SIMMONDS, Perry, Anderson, Charles 3-6, 33-24 Line Up: Perry, Anderson, SIMMONDS, Charles Comments: Simmonds takes a tactical ride for Plymouth. Brilliant race! Simmonds and Anderson gate together. Simmonds moves Anderson out on turns 1 and 2. Perry made a clever turn from gate 4 down to the curb to pass both down the back straight. Simmonds though went back passed Perry exiting turn 4 of the opening lap. Perry then spends 3 laps all over Simmonds back wheel on the inside and outside. He almost got half a wheel infront a couple of times but a good ride by Simmonds to hang on for 6 points under massive pressure. Credit to both! Sponsored by inthedirt clothing - inthedirt.co.uk - facebook.com/inthedirt Heat 10: Re-run x2: Dyer, Bates, Stephens 3-3, 36-27 Line Up: Smart, Dyer, Bates, Stephens Comments: Unsatisfactory start as Bates jumps it, all 4 back. Re-run: Stopped! Heathens on an easy 5-1 when Smart takes a heavy fall on turn 4 of lap 2 after his chain snaps mid bend. He has taken a whack in the family jewels but otherwise seems to be ok. Will be re-run because Stephens was so far behind he hadn't completed 2 laps when the race was stopped! Smart discluded. Texter says, it was lucky Smart was on the outside when he fell else it could have been a lot worse for the team riding stars! Re-run x2: From the gate and well spread out. Dyer flying now! Stephens about quarter of a lap behind and even popped a mini wheelie on the back straight of laps 3 and 4. Is that really the guy that won his first two rides!? Sponsored by INTERVAL NOW SO GO GET A REFILL ON THE COFFEE, TEA OR BEER FOLKS!! BACK UNDER WAY!! Heat 11: Re-run: Evans, Glanz, Pickard 3-3, 39-30 Line Up: Evans, Morris, Glanz, Pickard Comments: Stopped! Morris ran into the back of Glanz because he was so much quicker going into turn 1. Neither really to blame as Morris desperately tried to turn under Glanz to avoid his back wheel but without brakes he had no chance! Morris discluded which is right 21stcentury supposes because Glanz was ahead, under perfect control and didn't change line. Unfortunate! Re-run: Evans comes to the party with a great ride. Made the start initially but a good turn from Glanz saw him lead going into turn 3 for the first time. Big handful around the outside by Evans to scrape passed as they cross the line into lap 2. Not room for a fag paper between the riders!! Sponsored by Heat 12: Perry, Franklin, Bates, Reade 5-1, 44-31 Line Up: Perry, Franklin, Bates, Charles Reade Comments: Reserve change sees Reade replace Charles for the Devils. Comfortable for the Heathens but Bates not tailed off although not close enough to challenge. Somehow the Heathens worst gaters found a start at the same time and from the opposite gates to the ones they'd prefer! If this were a game show they should shout BANK because I bet they don't do that again this season lol!!! Sponsored by Heat 13: Smart, Simmonds, Evans, Glanz 4-2, 48-33 Line Up: Smart, Evans, Glanz, Simmonds Comments: Smart from the gate but pushed all the way. Evans worked Glanz for a couple of laps and then passed him inside turn 1 of lap 3. Sponsored by Art and Stitch for all your sewing and art supplies www.artandstitch.co.uk Heat 14: Anderson, STEPHENS, Reade, Morris(F/x) 3-5, 51-38 Line Up: Anderson, Morris, STEPHENS, Reade Comments: Stephens takes a tactical ride for Plymouth. Brilliant turn 1 and 2 from Anderson to go around Stephens as he tried to push him out. Stunning turn 3 and 4 from Morris to come from nowhere at the back to pass both Plymouth riders as they levelled off for the home straight. Sadly Morris then slides off on his own at end of home straight lap 3. He's gone down at high speed and given the fence a real crack. But after a few mins he has walked away. Race awarded. Sponsored by Splod Heat 15: Simmonds, Anderson, Perry, Glanz(Ret) 3-3, 54-41 Line-up: Perry, Anderson, Glanz, Simmonds Comments: Devils win the toss and take 1 and 3. Glanz lapped after having a bike problem on lap 1 and retires. Perry had a bike problem on lap 2 but nursed home for the point. Anderson almost got a line on turn 1 and 2 of the opening lap to get around Simmonds but went too wide and it was game over after that. Anti climax really! Oh well! Decent smattering of good races with a few crackers thrown in. Few points went begging for the Heathens tonight but we never looked threatened in truth as even when the Devils were winning races there wasn't back up for heat advantages against us. So the Heathens set the target at 42 Buxton and Newport to chase. One final note, Chris Kerr and Ty Proctor are now having a practice. Kerr in his Brummies kevlars, Kerr in his Aussie ones! Both due to ride in an individual meeting a Perry Barr next week. Sponsored by Deadlock Clothing - www.deadlockclothinguk.com ************************* Comments: Teams now confirmed. Quick mention for the Plymouth fans who have made the trip. There are 3 little groups that the texter has spotted. Good on them for making the long journey! The centre green announcer had a chat with them about whether they are from Devon or Cornwall! lol. Congratulations to the Heathens on all 3 league points. Well done to the Devils who I think kept the score down well. Thats all folks, big thanks to 21stcentury for his brilliant, fun and detailed texts and to you all for watching, good night. © 2005-2010 All meetings are copyrighted to Speedway Updates, permission must be sought and we must be fully credited before they are used elsewhere.

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David Gough has broken his ankle after a crash last Friday night and will be replaced by Bob Charles I believe in this meeting.

This looks a cracker, I have made an executive decision and will complete a nice 10 hour round journey from Cornwall for this Mon the Brits!!

There is no doubt that this whole thing stinks. I believe Bowden has made a good move in bringing in Glanz, the problem is he should never have dropped the one asset the club has that has a real future in the sport. If he were serious about going PL surely Starke would have been a nailed on choice for reserve probably alongside Glanz. Yet again Bowden has stuck with the old boys, which is totally wrong. But as a previous poster has said, this has all come from a poor decision to re-sign both Stephens and Simmonds at the start of the season, giving Plymouth a much too top heavy team. With the exception of Starke, the 1-7 that Plymouth started the season with had zero improvement in it! Yet again Bowden has showed everyone that the old boys will always come first no matter what and the long list of quality British riders to come through the ranks and then be forced out at Plymouth continues...Chris Johnson, Adam Roynon, Ben Hopwood, Kyle Hughes, Paul Starke...who's next???

Totally disgraceful! Not a shock as the 'click' will never be broken up! The sooner the BSPA implement rules to restrict older and foreign riders in the NL the better! Whats even more laughable is that other than Pickard, Starke was the only one to increase his average, justify that Bowden! Disgusted!

Roger for once, I have to agree with you. The crowds have steadily dropped over the past 3 seasons or so, and the promotion not following through their promises has definitely been a reason for that. Im not convinced all would come back just by moving up to the PL, although I, like you think a number would. The key will be improving the product. Exciting team to watch, good track to provide good racing, and better facilities for the fans are all needed if possible.

LOL! I give up!

Scribbler, Ben thank you for your support but I expected such comments from this blinkered supporter. I type things as I see them. If the home or away team get luck, rub of the green or whatever then I will say so. As stated on this forum I have no problem with Plymouth losing, I just want to see good, honest speedway, no matter what the result. On the night, Plymouth deserved to win, I dont doubt that, my point was merely that had those refereeing decisions gone the other way, which as you say sometimes they do, then Rye could have got a point from the match. I was answering a comment raised by Shadders in the first place explaining why Kyle didnt score as many as he had anticipated. Yet you as always jump straight in and have a go! I have seen many posts from you on this and other forums and you change your opinion as often as I turn my lounge light on, so I take absolutely no notice of anything you say on here, so there will certainly be no offence taken!! You say all I do is moan about when we lose and never praise the team, I think you need to re-read my posts over the past 2 years as you will be proved wrong! My opinion on the current situation at Plymouth speedway unfortunately means i find it hard to make out positives sometimes, to be honest I think the club needs a total overhaul and the 'click' needs to be removed before the club can progress. Yet again though I dare say you will shoot be down as im being negative towards the Devils, however I think forward and the bigger picture, and think back to all of these broken promises that Mr Bowden has given the fans, and his reluctance to get rid of the old and use younger developing riders, which is what Rye House brought down to the SBA and gave it a ruddy good go, for which I take my hat off to them and their promotion. Unlike certain riders wearing the Devils colours that merely poodle around at the back if they miss the gate! But then being a 'good' friend of Mr Bowden I'm sure you are right and we are all totally wrong!

Kyle was very unfortunate in heat 13 as there should have been a re-run in my opinion as Seemond definitely jumped the start although Kyle was off the graveyard that is gate 4 anyway! Likewise in heat 15 he was off gate 4 again but actually got 2nd on the line although the ref gave it the other way. Those 2 heats were the deciding factors imo and both had dodgy refereeing decisions that could and maybe should have gone the other way!!

Dont worry the star never get it right, Newport will be up there this season, I have no doubts about that.

So with just 4 starting spots remaining to fill for the 2010 NL season I wondered how people saw the league this season, here is my opinion... Bournemouth First up then, last years champions, well it was always going to be tough to emulate the side they put together last season and there was next to no chance of replacing Jerran. I was also surprised to see Kyle Newman left out, but team building is a tough job. Either way they still have a very powerful top 3 this year. Herne and Mark Baseby are exceptional around Wimborne road and will also score well away. Marks brother Aaron will have a tougher job in the main body, but I expect a big season from Danny Halsey, he has been a bit stale over the past couple of seasons at Rye and needed a move. I also see a lot of improvement in young Howarth. Key man: Dan Halsey Prediction: Were never going to be as strong as the all conquering 09 side but will still be there or there abouts, should squeeze into the top 4. Buxton I predicted them to be dark horses last year and so it proved, and with Cookie back this season they have one of the top riders in the league. Although the Hitmen have had to pretty much rebuild from scratch they look decent so far. Allot should score well on the big tracks and young Morris is tipped for very big things. Buxton do need another big hitter though and if Birko fills the void then their top 3 will be outstanding, even if the team would end up a touch top heavy. Key man: Nick Morris Prediction: Much depends on their final 2 and how good Morris turns out to be, could be the dark horses again but I think they will just miss out on the playoffs. Dudley Well im just delighted we have another team in the NL if im honest. On a serious note though, what a team the Heathens have put together. A quality heat leader trio, backed up by youngsters all looking to achieve big things in the sport. They're final rider needs to be a good one, as its likely they will start at reserve. I also worry about Mckinna missing matches as they can't have a guest for him. But for me this side impresses me and it should be a good debut year for Dudley. Key man: Ashley Morris Prediction: I worry if the PL comes knocking for Taylor and Smart, but on paper I fancy this Heathens side to have one of the better away records and for that reason could well top the pile. Top of the tree. Isle of Wight What a nightmare 09 for the Islanders with injuries galore!! The team for 2010 doesn't really excite me im afraid. Simmons will lead the side well as ever, but i worry about his commitments with Berwick which may take its toll as the season goes on. Hopwood and Johnson dont look particularly strong as heat leaders based on what i saw of them last season and Warwick has gone backwards at a pace recently. The reserves dont do much for me either, so although they will compete well enough at home, I feel a disappointing season on the cards for the Islanders fans. I hope im wrong. Key man: Brendan Johnson Prediction: Not enough top or bottom end strength to be challengers for me, they could struggle. Kings Lynn What a signing in James Brundle, I would be surprised if he drops a point at home this season! With Davies in the side I fancied them for top 4 but unless their replacement is a very good one i think they will just miss out. Mallett and Courtney will give Lynn a good spearhead, but as with last season I see this side being exceptional at home but poor away. Key man: James Brundle Prediction: Unless their last signing is a top one, bottom half for me. Mildenhall Jerran Hart is a cracking signing and will be one of the top riders at this level. Its also great to see a young, all British side and a very good one at that! Strong top 2, with Priest and Bates (who I wanted back at Plymouth by the way) giving good back up. Priest though probably needs to step up and push towards an 8 point average which he is certainly capable of. Jacobs at reserve could be a trump card too. My only worry is Harts availability as he will be crucial for the Fen Tigers success. Key man: Jerran Hart Prediction: Good all round side for the Tigers which should see them maintain a strong reserve throughout the season. Top 3 contenders. Newport I like this Newport team a lot. Plenty of youth, with the helping hand of the evergreen Tony Atkin. Newman is coming back from a nasty injury so may struggle early season, but I expect the lad to come on well this year. As for the rest, I dont know much about Mark Jones but Kurtz has bags of potential and could even be the Hornets number 1 as early as the first set of greensheets. Tim Webster is ever improving and the fast gating White Williams will do well at reserve. Key man: Todd Kurtz Prediction: Plenty of improvement in this side and for me it will be between them, Buxton and Plymouth as to who takes 4th spot. Being totally unbiased I will tip Newport to just miss out. Rye House Arguably the best top 2 in the league, and in Morley and Owen they have some quality youngsters coming through. My problem is the middle order, I just dont know if Mason and Strudwick will be strong enough. Either way they will be a very entertaining side. However if Hughes is unavailable they cant have a guest and therefore may struggle early in the season when he isnt there. Key man: Ben Morley Prediction: Like Newport there is plenty of improvement in this side, I just worry about the middle order. Bottom half finish for me. Scunthorpe Simply cannot fault Scunny for their development in British talent. They have not only lost a lot of their young stars, but have also had to contend with other teams all looking stronger than last season. Isherwood and Irving should improve a lot and Wrathall looked useful last season. They will probably get some hammerings away from home, but as the season goes on the Saints will get better and better. Key man: Gareth Isherwood Prediction: Think this season will be hard work for the Saints, but great experience for the youngsters. Bottom of the pile im afraid. Weymouth The poorest Weymouth side i have seen since they returned to the league in my opinion. Bekker will be consistent everywhere and score quite well. I saw Tom Brown at the New year classic and he looked a shadow of his old self and he will need to be a big scorer for the Wildcats for them to do anything this season. The middle order doesn't look particularly strong either. Cockle will need to get back to his form of mid season last year to trouble the top riders and at reserve they look very very weak. Key man: Tom Brown Prediction: I simply dont see the top or bottom end strength in this years Wildcats side and like the IOW could be the biggest disappointments this season, hope im wrong though as previous battles with Plymouth have always been great. Mid table at best. Plymouth Well i haven't hidden my disappointment at Plymouths side this year and the lack of good youngsters is frustrating. Saying that with the experience of Simmo and Seemond, Plymouth will always be strong at home. Losing Kyle is a massive blow and we haven't really replaced him. Wright has never been good at Plymouth but away he could be stronger. With a poor bottom end, the key for Plymouth will be whether Paul Starke can step up and Lee Smethills can find his old Oxford form. If they do, then despite being very top heavy, the top 5 should be strong enough to be around the playoff spots. Key man: Lee Smethills Prediction: The top 5 is on paper really strong but the bottom end is so very weak. Hopefully we can sneak the final playoff spot.

Thank you all very much for info, im very grateful.

Hi guys, I was after some info. Back in the 70s in one of the world finals held at Wembley there was a crash involving Barry Briggs or Ivan Mauger or maybe even both im not quite sure myself as im only 25, but have heard people talk about it. I wondered if anyone could tell me what year it was in particular? And also if there are any dvds or footage of this meeting? Thanks in advance (i know im being vague and hopeful but thats all i know) Regards, Mike

Interesting discussion this one. Well other than the top 8 and the qualifiers who we already know are in, my 4 w/c's would be Hans and Freddie who for me are certs to be back. Personally if we are talking deserved then no Brits im afraid. I would go for 2 of Pepe, Zagar or Lindback. Having said that the SGP authorities will have at least one Brit maybe even 2. In which case Hans and Freddie will be joined by Harris and Tai. Unless Tai turns it down. Harris gets it for me because he is British Champion. I know there is an argument of whether he deserves it or not, but he is by all accounts the best in this country by name so should be in. (if a brit gets in)

A big well done to the lads, thought we were actually going to make the final for a minute, unlucky but we will be back! Oh and Rico was awesome tonight!

Haha no i heard that too. But for those who think pearson should go, you need to have a serious word, some of the EL speedway at times is so boring its unreal yet he does his best to make it interesting even if it means telling lies by saying things like 'great speedway' when it was actually very tedious! Tatum on the other hand Now put Pearson alongside Sid Waddell with Louis and Charlie in the pits, and we are talking a team!

I can think of a number but she isnt one just yet! She clearly came into her role as someone who knew little about the sport but is obviously doing her homework and she is improving. She will get better and personally i have nothing against her, infact i have seen and heard much worse. People like her who are new in their roles need time so yes get off her back, but she still needs a lot of time in the job! Mmm i wouldnt say all the riders in fact most of the senior guys like Leigh Adams and Crumpy look really uncomfortable when being interviewed by her as they know that some of the questions she asks arent particularly good. But again she is improving, she just needs time!

Do you not think this is a massive step backwards? Lets think back to what Rob Lyon has been saying about giving the youngsters a chance and building for the future! The bottom line is that we are not going to win this world cup! If we do anything but finish last tonight in my opinion we will have had a successful world cup. Rico deserves to come in based on his performances this season. But your comments about inexperienced riders and pressure is a little strange. King, Bridger, Kennett and Woffy have all raced in competitions such as the British Final and U21 events as well as Grand Prix qualifiers where there is pressure. The only way these guys will get experience is do be thrown in and told to just ride their bikes. Now i have nothing against Scotty but despite the last couple of weeks his form has been awful this season and he wont be much better if at all then our younger guys. My team for tonight would be... 1. Rico 2. Lewis 3. Bomber 4. Tai 5. King

Tai has been performing fairly well in Poland where has Ed hasnt, but then Lewis only scored 6 why isnt he mentioned in this discussion as the one to give way, especially as in Poland he has done very little this season! However Rico for Ed would be my only change!

I honestly do understand the sense in Rico but the guy is nearly 30 and aint going to get any better now, he had his best chance a few years ago and didnt do a lot. If GB are going to be successful in the future in world cups etc, we need the youngsters to be riding in the GP series. Its nothing against Rico he is a top bloke and if it were between him and Scotty for the wc, well there is no choice, if Rico had gotten in through the qualifiers fair play but the future is the likes of Sayfudtinov, Ward, Holder, Woffinden and co. So i would hope the FIM look at how the russian has performed this year and give the younger guys a go!

Dont get me wrong i agree that there are riders out there from other nations that probably do deserve a wc ahead of the young brits, but i just think the FIM may opt to have 2 brits like the past few seasons and given that i cant see Scott or Rico getting it, it could well be young Tai or Eddy. Tai especially has picked up his form on the continent well in Poland at least and IF he wins the world u21s i think he has a good chance at being offered it! Also talking of how they did in the qualifiers i believe Chris Holder went out very early last season but still got offered a wc (although he turned it down). But hey until the final gp qualifier, world cup and world u21s have been raced as well as the world champs who knows?

There is no way that at least one Brit wont be in the series! It would make bad commercial sense for the FIM! I agree neither of our Brits this season will make it, but i think Bomber will be in it next season either by qualifying through the final qualifier or as a wildcard. I also think we may get a second rider in through the wildcards! Tai or Eddy i believe will be offered a wildcard.