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I get your point Dean, but I disagree with it. I can't for one moment think that any fan will lose interest in the sport if they think riders are working hard on their fitness. I don't believe being 'fit' is something that fans can't associate with either, quite the opposite in fact. Anyone can head off to the gym and train like Tai Woffinden or Nicki Pedersen etc.. they can't just jump on a bike and race.

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You don't need to explain the Belle Vue thread to me. As said, you tried to engage in a battle of wits and ended up tying yourself in knots. So no 'quote' then? I'm not interested in the 'inspiration' for your false statements, what proof do you have that Steve's claim of being an amateur speedway riders is false?

There has been 'no whoosh'. Nor was there one on the Belle Vue thread where you attempted to engage Fourentee in a battle of wits and well and truly came out on the short end of the stick. Go on, I'll indulge you, what 'post' has given the 'game away'.... ?

You really do need to get some new material. It has been confirmed by many posters that Stevebrum rides amateur speedway and fair play to him for having the balls to go out and do that. He doesn't seek any credit for it, however he will rightfully defend himself when he is falsely accused of making things up.

To be fair, that was only one guy, old Freddie Flange.

Nobody has said anything about Polish speedway, other than those refusing to accept they are thieves for watching Sky/BT Sport on illegal streams. Polish speedway isn't available to watch in the UK so it's an entirely different kettle of fish.

Never have chance to watch Polish speedway, not live anyway, as generally tied up Sundays. Swedish watch on Eurosport when it's on, again, if have time.

No pirate streams used whatsoever (just keeping it on thread... sort of)

There is no need to tow any government line. You advocate stealing and are promoting what is effectively 'stolen goods'. How would you feel if I came around yours, nicked some of the artwork you'd bought and started selling it at a much cheaper price?

Keep funding crime, there's a good lad.

Three o'clock kick offs on a Saturday is somewhat different. There aren't many who confine their viewing to just that though are there? Especially as most of the big games don't take place at 3pm on a Saturday these days.

There is nothing to agree or disagree on. You are completely and utterly deluded. Streaming via the net from the legitimate provider and stealing from a business are two totally different concepts. It's akin to you saying watching a pirated film recorded in the cinema was fine in the past because videos and dvd's were the way forward. The two are totally different. You are a thief, it is as simple as that, cut and dried with absolutely no room for negotiation. The fact that you are even trying to argue that fact is utterly staggering!

They do get them shut down, then they move and open up somewhere else. Which is why these apps/sources keep springing up as others have fallen by the wayside.

Your argument is downright laughable. Yes, you have the choice, everybody does. Some choose to steal, others don't. Many people watch programmes via Kodi, but they acknowledge what they are doing. If somebody burgles your house next week and takes everything, will you accept that they 'had the choice' to do so? You aren't 'sourcing' from an alternative supplier. The supplier is the same Sky or BT (in most cases). You're just watching a pirated version.

Game, Set and Match Fourentee.

Thus far this close season we've heard how poor Woffinden, Masters and Thorssell were in the play-offs...

Bless. Are you deliberately trying to make yourself look foolish now? You're now claiming they were better at Belle Vue than they were at Poole! Maths not your strong point is it.

I remember when you were a decent poster who knew his stuff. You're sinking ever closer to Starman levels.

So you don't agree with Gavan then and think Poole will get hammered at Belle Vue. Interesting. More importantly, fantastic news that Belle Vue will be running next year, thoroughly enjoyed my visit to the NSS last year and look forward to getting along again this.

Back when I was a young teenager I would spend hours and hours devising such attributes to be used alongside the Speedway Scene II board game. Every rider would have ratings for gating, a rating when leading a race, when behind, inside ability, outside ability, adjustments for conditions and also the individual track. I even had a system for riders morale, their experience (more laps on a particular track the better they would become) and even down to mechanics and engine tuning which could give a boost to performance (or not on occasion). All of this was done with pen and paper for the most part so a computer could handle it all a lot easier. I had more fun in putting all of those factors together than actually playing through the season. I converted much of it into a very basic game programmed in basic on the good old 48K Spectrum. Essentially to me, the actual running of the meeting is the easy bit. It's all the rest I have no clue about programming wise.

Again, poor example. There was little skill required for that, the fastest line was the outside, King moved over towards the inside meaning Gundersen could just ride his normal line. Meanwhile, here's Ronnie Correy passing around the outside.. go to the 18:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMa75U8CpsQ

Of course. I guess Woffinden called off the following meeting too, caused the entire track to be relaid and for there to be a lengthy investigation into the faults of the contractors.

As a past sponsor of Klindt and having followed his career very closely I've always stuck up for him where necessary in the past. However, he is very much a confidence rider and if things aren't going well or he doesn't feel comfortable his form can capitulate. Hence, if he gave any indication (which he clearly did) that he wasn't keen on returning to Wolves then the management made the right decision. This really does seem to be something you are unable to get over. Helped that King basically pulled over for him mind you, leaving him the complete outside (fastest line) wide open.

It really is that simple. And yet it's a concept that for 17 years has passed speedway by as they broadcast meetings in front of empty stadia.