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Hoping for a good meeting, decent racing, no accidents and a referee that's recently had his/her eyes tested and has the normal number of working brain cells.

I've no idea but that sounds inflated. The often quoted figure was £3k but I have heard those most likely in the know say it wasn't that much.

You've obviously not seen how often the showers and champagne crop up on the Coventry and Poole threads.

I don't think you can judge Nicholls on his performance last night, he is much better on the smaller tracks. As I said, some Wolves fans have commented they have a decent side with the guests and they will have seen them at Monmore more often than you or I. It is a technical track with a significant home advantage and Nicholls and Wells usually go well there, I don't know about Morris but he did well there for Swindon and many Wolves fans wanted him as a guest. I am hoping for an Aces win but we shall see what happens.

I go along with that. Wolves just got a bit carried away and overstepped the mark but have now withdrawn the post so at least have acknowledged their mistake. Hopefully, not quick enough to have made the Aces even more determined.

Maybe I'm being unduly optimistic considering the recent history of the BSPA's attempts to rejuvenate the sport, some might say stupid but I think fixed nights might just solve many of the problems of team identity. Unless of course the BSPA manage to think of something to mess it up!

If you were upset about Belle Vue calling it a grudge match you must have been incandescent with rage reading the Wolves Facebook page this morning. I bet you're still thinking of suitable words of condemnation.

Some realistic Wolves fans were saying yesterday that the guests have given them a decent team for the home leg. Morris, Wells and Nicholls can all do well at Monmore. We are without Fricke, our best rider at Wolves in the play offs and according to Wolves fans, Tungate and Cook are just throttle jockeys, incapable of riding the technical track. Although I guess some of them might have changed their minds by now. Cook, Worrall and Smith were all injured at the weekend so the away leg could be tough. Hopefully, the track tonight will not have been affected by the weather and will be better prepared to allow some decent racing. I'm hoping for an Aces win and it is certainly possible but a small Wolves lead won't be a disaster. Apart from Nicholls I don't know who will be guesting for Wolves at the NSS but I think we can do more than enough there to win overall. At the moment the weather forecast is for heavy rain most of the day on Wednesday, stopping at about 6/7pm. I am sure that, if necessary, a new date can be found before the end of the season.

Wolverhampton Facebook. TONIGHT ◾ KOC Final v Belle Vue WE NEED YOU to be our 7th Wolf! Once again the #wolfpack are underdogs as we are without 4 riders including our top 2 riders due to injury but we will give it everything as we deserve a trophy this season. We thank our guests that will come into the Pack Will Belle Vue choke as they did in the 2016 Final and the semi final this year? Only time will tell.... Be there to find out! Its our last meeting this year, dont miss it! Its a long winter #wolfpack That should give the Aces the motivation to win.

You can interpret the individual post that way in isolation but not if you look at the overall context of his comments and the views previously expressed. It makes no sense to say it was made as a result of reading goading posts if it wasn't meant to be interpreted as placing blame on Bjerre and Tungate.

#426 in the Premiership Grand Final Second Leg thread. I referred to it in my post#449 and you responded at #461, that you were sick of reading goading posts from Aces fans on social media. Which I read to mean you had felt the need to respond with a goading post of your own and that was what I said at #469. I don't think you ever responded to that post. If you read the various posts I refer to in my post above it is clear that in the overall context the reference to taking out the Wolves top two wasn't intended to be read as being anything other than deliberate. Especially, when you take into account the original allegation made on the night of the meeting and excused as being in the heat of the moment, that Belle Vue riders were deliberately trying to injure Wolves riders.

Except that over a week after the meetings you were again commenting that Aces riders took out your top two. That was plainly untrue but you know it is the sort of comment that the idiots will latch onto to justify their behaviour.

I agree with your comments but it is not just one Belle Vue poster on here or on social media. Unfortunately, one Wolves poster, someone I previously had some respect for, has also intentionally or not, risked inflaming the situation by suggesting that the injuries sustained by Lindgren and Thorssell were deliberately caused by Bjerre and Tungate and another previously respected Wolves fan suggested on social media that those two Belle Vue riders get winners medals along with the Swindon team. Hopefully sensible voices will prevail and any further stupidity will be stamped on by fans of both clubs.

Fricke now withdrawn from Melbourne GP so another season ending injury.

At the moment I don't know just how many of the injured riders won't be fit enough to ride on Tuesday and Wednesday. However, whatever the situation I don't see it as a farce. So far as I know, all of the missing riders will be injured, with the exception of Howarth, so it isn't like the many matches with lots of guests and r/r because of doubling up and FIM commitments that have been farcical. Injuries are part and parcel of the sport and can't be avoided, no matter what system we have. We obviously know about Lindgren and Thorssell but if a significant number of the others presently injured are not fit for the two meetings this week but would be soon afterwards, then rearranged dates before the end of the season may be possible and sensible. If not it should go ahead as planned. I'm not in favour of running it at the beginning of next season when both clubs will have different teams and it would be a farce to run the 2017 cup final in 2018.

I suppose he would fit for Fricke.

Let's hope not. This is getting ridiculous, 4 riders involved all getting injured since last night. Fingers crossed they are all ok for Tuesday, although it definitely looks as if Fricke will be out.

There were no dirt deflectors in the 80's. My recollection is that most matches run in wet conditions were often from the gate depending on just how wet it was. The thing about Hyde Road was that fans were prepared to put up with the occasional wet meeting because of the brilliant racing usually served up and knowing that it had to be exceptionally bad for a meeting to be cancelled. If anything the NSS can cope with wet conditions better than Hyde Road. There have been cancellations but a number of meetings in the last few months that have gone ahead after heavy rain and after a half a dozen races, when the shale has been turned over, there has been some good racing. The council are supposed to be paying for track covers for next season so we shall have to see if they do and if so, how practical and effective they are.

As a footnote to this crash. Was this the most expensive mistake made by a referee this year and maybe going back for some time? It almost certainly cost us a place in the final, which we may have won and the revenue lost to the club, with a likely crowd of at least 3500 at the NSS.

I have no doubt at all that it was an honest mistake by the referee. What was so shocking was that I and many others in the stadium saw and said at the time what is now confirmed by the video. It wasn't even a difficult decision to get right.

I certainly don't see it as meaningless and wouldn't do if I were a Wolves supporter. I can say that from the experience of 2005 when we topped the league, Bjerre was injured and the rules didn't allow us to replace him. We lost in the play off final but won the KO Cup. It didn't make up for losing the play offs, far from it, because that is the most important competition but it is a genuine trophy and the second most important to win. Many Wolves fans thought it was going to be a walkover for Swindon but it wasn't, far from it and with a decent guest and the same fighting spirit who knows what can be achieved. I hope we get two good meetings with no bad incidents on track or on the terraces. No doubt some of the idiots from both clubs will be there but we need the overwhelming number of decent fans from both teams to make their presence felt and let the few idiots know they are not welcome. I think the best way is not to react to them, ignore them and if necessary let the security people deal with them.

I understand from a usually unreliable source that he was pleading for a team place for next year but was told to come back in a couple of years when he has improved. I can see they were just trying to be kind to him but they should have told him straight out that he's just not eligible to ride for the Colts.

Bjerre is our best rider at the NSS and because it is such a fair track, where many riders enjoy racing, we need a rider like Bjerre to give us a better chance of winning at home. I've not seen any visitor at Belle Vue this year that I didn't feel Bjerre was capable of beating.

Check out @kenneth_bjerres Tweet: https://twitter.com/kenneth_bjerre/status/911483017092370433?s=09 We've had a few decent meetings in very wet conditions at the NSS this year involving both the Aces and the Colts. Riders seem prepared to give it a go and race, maybe because of the wide open spaces.

I hope we get two decent meetings and you will have a wider choice of guests. However, I do understand that it is nigh on impossible to replace Lindgren at Monmore but you can try and get a NSS specialist for the other leg.